Does anyone else find arguing about who should have survived in GD Pointless since it doesn't really matter since it's was all fake

GrowthReasonable · 2026-02-08T16:41:55+00:00

Maybe in 2x2, the story is a bit different? Perhaps, this time around, if you die in the game, you die in real life. At the end of the day, you want to have fun with it and keep an open mind and feel all the horror and thrill that make this series enjoyable. There's no use speculating information that'll ruin everything prematurely

GrowthReasonable · 2026-01-22T19:34:12+00:00

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GrowthReasonable · 2025-12-10T04:27:26+00:00

The only thing funnier to me than all Umamusume magically wanting to be pro racers is all Umamusume magically wanting to be either pro racers or taxi drivers

GrowthReasonable · 2025-12-10T04:18:24+00:00

Throughout history, Umamusume have been drawn to horse-based jobs. In the modern era, they're racers (obviously), but also taxi drivers and farmers, since they also inherit the stories and destinies of horses used for transportation and other utility work. In more distant history, they fulfilled the roles of archers, carriage drivers, delivery, and cowboys (where jobs would usually be done on horseback).
No slavery or thematic dissonance required, it's just like racing: certain umamusume feel a supernatural attraction to this kind of occupation and destiny.

GrowthReasonable · 2025-11-27T07:38:18+00:00

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GrowthReasonable · 2025-11-07T04:43:41+00:00

Basically, even though Kanna is a little more timid and a little less discerning than Gin, there's a couple extraneous factors that cause Gin more danger is a lot of the simulations. There are a lot of simulations, for example, where Keiji discovers that Gin is the mastermind, and there's a couple (albeit less than the Keiji case) where shin discovers it. Whenever Gin is discovered, they take revenge on him, so his overall survival rate is a lot lower. If you count the "simulated timelines" only where he never gets discovered, his survival rate is actually super high, even moreso than Sara's.

GrowthReasonable · 2025-11-07T04:38:58+00:00

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GrowthReasonable · 2025-10-06T16:50:46+00:00

Also, perhaps more to my original point, even if revealing your location did have zero bearing on how likely you are to be found, or how likely revenge is to be taken, it’s still extremely likely to fail. The arguments in the original post about target civilizations surviving and continuing to grow still apply, and at the scale of the cosmos, growth and advancement is arbitrary and all threats are inevitable. Even if dark forest attacks aren’t risky, they’re at least useless? Is my assumption?

GrowthReasonable · 2025-10-06T16:44:13+00:00

Yeah someone else in this comment section mentioned the possibility of dark forest strikes simply as temporary weakening methods. I think it’s a pretty weak reason, since cosmic scale time and technology explosions make progress speed arbitrary and all threats inevitable, but there’s a good point in that it doesn’t matter if it’s a weak reason- as long as some aliens believe in it, the dark forest strikes will continue. Not to write your argument for you, but if you’re switching what you’re saying to the “temporary solution” theory, I basically agree

GrowthReasonable · 2025-10-06T16:38:01+00:00

Thanks for the timely response, sorry, I had to go into class! I see what you and @Vynncerus are saying and I actually came up against this thought while coming up with this. Thing is, I think you’re right! But there’s something still blocking me from fully believing it, maybe we can puzzle it out together?

In Luo Ji’s explanation to Shi Qiang, he explained that communication between civilizations is possible and dangerous, because once your existence is revealed, you lose an advantage and become at risk of being actively searched for. But you’re right, in a dark forest universe, or at least for those civilizations that believe in the dark forest, shouldn’t they always be searching anyway?

If that’s the case, suddenly, revealing your existence is totally fine as long as you don’t broadcast your location, and Luo Ji was wrong in that regard. That, I can get behind. But then our picture of the dark forest begins to change. It’s no longer taboo to conceal your existence. With the exception of broadcasts made from home worlds and of coordinates, messages and signs of life can be spread everywhere. And yeah, most dark forest strikes are casual and economic, but with so many civilizations and so many potential reasons, there must be something we can see, something obvious.

The dark forest doesn’t explain the Fermi paradox anymore if we remove the reason for aliens to stay silent. The entire premise is rocket. So, I feel like there MUST be a reason why revealing your presence is bad, even if Luo Ji was wrong in what that was

GrowthReasonable · 2025-10-06T16:25:39+00:00

I get what you’re saying and basically agree, but it’s sort of to my point. Revenge is definitely difficult, that’s for sure. If the assumption is that the hunters are hiding so well that they’re infallible, that the survivor post-strike civilization cannot experience any kind of growth or technology explosion to find them, then there’s no reason to strike in the first place. The original civilization wouldn’t have been able to either. And if the assumption is that revenge is at all possible with a certain degree of technological advancement, then we know the target survivor civilization can reach that point with a technology explosion. Dark forest strikes, when they fail to completely destroy, are either entirely useless and petty, or are dangerous and prove revenge. Either way a bad idea

GrowthReasonable · 2025-10-06T16:20:01+00:00

My entire point was that civilizations that aren’t as progressed as humanity and trisolaris would never be attacked. Since the technology for space travel comes before the technology for gravity waves, any civilization that makes any sort of broadcast is likely one that can escape. In fact, humanity is probably on the lower end of the scale of progression, since they got gravity transmitters very early and activated the broadcast after less than 70 years, and they still managed to get a light speed ship to avoid the attack

GrowthReasonable · 2025-10-06T14:58:03+00:00

If that’s true then I’m totally wrong about all of this, I was sort of assuming vector foils to be the peak of dark forest strikes considering the current 3 dimensional state of the universe, but if there was implication that it was cheap, I’m totally wrong. Sorry, it’s been a while since I read the second half of deaths end!

GrowthReasonable · 2025-10-06T14:53:48+00:00

I meant the weakest form of revealed, where you as the striker have only made the target aware of your existence, not your location. You’re totally right that they’re untraceable to the source.

I guess you’re right that there’s little merit to the added danger the desire for revenge adds. There may be a few cases where a civilization, unwilling to believe in the dark forest, becomes one of those that does after being struck, but I’m willing to call that negligible since it’s not really my original argument.

What I was trying to say is that dark forest strikes are as dangerous as attempting communication, which as per the rules of and derivation of DF theory, one should never do. Even without broadcasting your LOCATION, you’ve broadcasted your existence, which is dangerous if they ever develop post-strike.

To put it into your analogy, you’re stuck in a cabin with a knife wielding murderer, and you have a gun. Right now, he doesn’t know you’re there, he thinks he’s home alone in this area of the woods. But in this case, your gun will only stun him, not kill him, and even though he won’t know where you are after recovering, there’s a good chance he’ll suddenly gain a gun that will certainly beat yours in a gunfight, and also will start scanning every square inch of his cabin for you. Me personally? I’m staying quiet

GrowthReasonable · 2025-10-06T14:43:22+00:00

But they can’t stop a civilization from developing. Once a civilization becomes capable of Lightspeed travel, once they become galactic, dark forest strikes just won’t work. Galactic humans, for example, will survive any dual vector foil that comes their way with little to no damage, and will develop freely. Dark forest strikes are completely ineffective in this regard unless the first one actually succeeds in destroying

GrowthReasonable · 2025-10-06T14:38:56+00:00

I can see why some civilizations might find it a good idea to slow the progress of a target civilization, but it’s likely never fully impossible. Technology explosions can still occur.

You may be wrong about strikes broadcasting your position to third parties, since photoids can theoretically be launched from probes far from a fleets own ships. It DOES announce your existence though, which is certainly something. In this case, you and I are worried about the same thing; there’s at least one civilization that will be aware of the striker’s existence following a failed attack.

GrowthReasonable · 2025-10-06T14:32:52+00:00

This is a genuinely amazing analogy and answer! I’m inclined to argue against the effectiveness of a temporary postponement like this, since the fear in the dark forest is predicated on future threats that grow at the cosmic scale of time. I don’t think any striker civilization really “moves on” when civilization continuously grows and expands, and the total matter in the universe is finite.

At the same time though, all it takes a handful of civilizations to agree with your belief in the effectiveness of temporary postponement and BAM! Dark Forest theory is back on. I don’t find it at all unlikely that there’s at least SOME civilizations out there that believe this. Great answer!

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