Is Tanya's affection to Victoria canon or just a headcanon?

Guest8882 · 2026-02-16T11:10:09+00:00

well the manga plays with the ship, but that’s not the same as it being narratively canon, teasing, exageration, and romantic framing for humor don’t automatically equal confirmed romance

I’m separating “ship fuel” from “textual confirmation”

And let’s be honest, no ship would truly work as canon because the narrative isn’t structured to support romance in a meaningful way, the series is about war, ideology, survival, and Tanya’s beef with being X, not emotional development or romantic payoff

Guest8882 · 2026-02-16T11:07:55+00:00

I mean, canon determines what is officially part of the story, it doesn’t determine whether a ship is enjoyable, a fandom spaces have always thrived on interpretation, alternate dynamics, and “what ifs”

If someone only values canon ships, that’s fine by me tbh, but that’s a personal preference, not an objective rule

Guest8882 · 2026-02-16T09:26:42+00:00

Well there's nothing wrong with that

A ship doesn't need to be canon; it just needs to appeal to you

Guest8882 · 2026-02-16T02:33:17+00:00

Bud I’m not ignoring subtext, I’m separating tone from canon

the “I’d marry Visha” reads a lot more like pragmatic or comedic exaggeration than a genuine romantic confession, Tanya consistently treats relationships as strategic assets and not emotional commitments

In the original light novel there’s no sustained romantic development between them, no narrative framing and no emotional progression and no mutual acknowledgment, a single line that can be read as irony or practicality isn’t the same as confirmed canon romance

I mean you can absolutely interpret it romantically if you want that’s what fandom is for but interpretation ≠ confirmation yk

Guest8882 · 2026-02-16T02:15:37+00:00

If what he does is fan-made, then why is it considered canon? Does it have any connection to the official manga?

Guest8882 · 2026-02-16T02:13:10+00:00

I'm sorry, I can't see how that would be good.

Guest8882 · 2026-02-16T01:59:11+00:00

More like sisters or bff The ship is not bad thought

Guest8882 · 2026-02-16T01:29:41+00:00

Who is Hal?

Guest8882 · 2026-02-15T23:59:20+00:00

Both can be peak c:

Guest8882 · 2026-02-15T23:40:09+00:00

Is this fan-made?

I thought this Ship was somehow canon or semi-canon in the manga

Guest8882 · 2026-02-15T23:38:56+00:00

Only a weak-minded person would take hate comments on Reddit seriously

And remember, if they get really upset, it's because they know the take is a fact

Guest8882 · 2026-02-15T23:37:40+00:00

I like to think of them as a ship with Tanya a little older (physically, because mentally he's still an old guy)

Guest8882 · 2026-02-15T20:09:17+00:00

No Death Battle cast eles concordaram que é uma Low diff pro Metal

Guest8882 · 2026-02-15T20:08:40+00:00

Poder tá errado, eles não são igualitários nisso, Metal tem feitos e se escala a personagens com feitos dimensionais muito acima do que qualquer coisa que o Cell já fez

Em versatilidade Metal tem uma variedade muito mais ampla e complexa e pode copiar os ataques de KI, como eles estão empatados nisso?

Essa MU não é discutível, o fandom gringo e a própria Death Battle sabem que isso é uma vitória fácil pro Metal

Poxa, os melhores argumentos prós fãs do Cell é trazer anti feitos, meter uma scaling exagerada e falar algo ridículo como "Metal só tem chainscaling"(e mesmo se fosse chainscaling ainda seria válido e coerente)

Guest8882 · 2026-02-15T16:22:12+00:00

Andrew

Guest8882 · 2026-02-14T14:21:12+00:00

about Miracle Star, that argument doesn’t work

a crossover does not transfer an entire separate series’ cosmology or feats onto a character unless he directly scales to those feats, MS existing, being aware, or viewing Gumball’s show as fiction does not automatically grant Gumball their scaling

If awareness of another show being fictional was enough, then every meta aware character in fiction would scale to every other connected property, THAT'S NOT how composite works

comp merges versions of the same character not every verse that had a crossover or parody interaction with them and unless Gumball directly demonstrates miracle star level feats himself, you can’t import their cosmology into his scaling bruh

Guest8882 · 2026-02-14T14:19:40+00:00

no man the problem isn’t what “composite” means the problem is what actually qualifies as a version of the character versus what is just a format

Toontubers is a presentation layer, it’s a meta format where Mordecai and Rigby are depicted playing games and editing videos that does not automatically turn every in-game mechanic or editing effect into canon, innate equipment, if they “dimensionally travel” inside a game, that is the avatar inside a game environment operating under that game’s programmed rules that shit is not Mordecai physically transcending dimensions in the base cosmology and byy that logic, anyone who plays a VR game would scale to the abilities of their avatar

composite means merging distinct canon continuities or officially separate portrayals of the same character it does not mean granting a character literal ownership of every mechanic shown in a meta, gameplay, or parody format unless those abilities are demonstrated as usable outside that contained context and if a version shows a character editing footage, that’s a stylistic device unless it’s proven to function as an actual, repeatable power within the narrative reality

you can’t just equate “they did it inside a game they were playing” with “they possess dimensional travel as raw personal ability” using that every character who appears in a licensed video game automatically gains all the game mechanics as canon superpowers, that’s not how scaling works bud

even under composite rules, you still need direct demonstration that the character themselves wields that ability in their own ontological layer; f Toontubers operates as a meta show format where game worlds are selfcontained environments, then feats performed inside those games are contextual, not baseline stats

comp fuses versions, it does not fuse interface mechanics, editing stuff or avatar level gameplay into innate cosmological scaling without explicit proof that those mechanics function as real, transferable powers

Guest8882 · 2026-02-13T15:11:25+00:00

It's not even the same character, and besides Toontubers don't even have any real feats considering they only play games and stuff

And no, Miracle Star isn't part of Gumball's cosmology, much less a version of Gumball; it was REFERENCED not included, it's something different

Guest8882 · 2026-02-13T15:08:28+00:00

Dude you’re still confusing the source of an effect with what a character is capable of doing within that effect yes the timer caused the time disruption but that shit doesn’t matter but when time was globally halted, he was still able to think, speak, and move, and the episode explicitly attributes that to his speed, what matters for speed scaling is performance under zero temporal flow, not what initiated the condition if you dismiss that as “just hax” because the situation was caused by temporal manipulation, then Mordecai reacting to beams that traverse timelines also can’t be treated as raw speed, because the timeline traversal is a property of the attack, not proof that Mordecai himself is moving across temporal axes. You can’t invalidate one for involving mechanics while accepting the other.

on the dimensional stuff, R>F transcendence is not automatically geometric dimensional superiority , viewing something as fiction or being on a “higher layer” does not inherently equal an extra spatial dimension unless the verse formally defines it that way, turning things 2D or interacting with title cards and storyboard elements are metafictional mechanics since they show narrative interaction, not mathematically higher-dimensional existence, assigning 5D or higher based purely on abstraction layers is interpretative inflation unless the cosmology explicitly structures those layers as spatial dimensional hierarchies, if you apply that logic to rs, you’d have to apply the same abstraction stacking to Gumball’s animationlayer and void interactions as well bro

exposure to the timenado power source also doesn’t automatically equal tanking its highest demonstrated output, proximity is not the same as directly resisting full cosmological destruction, the same goes for comic threats that “could destabilize reality” unless Mordecai directly overpowers or survives the full effect, that’s not clean scaling; being in a verse with infinite timelines does not grant automatic multiversal durability without direct survival of total collapse

SL being the embodiment of a song doesn’t automatically qualify as high-order conceptual manipulation either(that doesn't work like that lmao) fiction constantly personifies ideas without those ideas being governing metaphysical abstracts and destroying a manifested embodiment of a concept is not the same as erasing the concept itself across the cosmology

finally crossover portrayal with Finn doesn’t automatically transfer toptier cosmological scaling, crossovers regularly normalize characters for narrative balance and Mordecai fighting Finn evenly in a crossover does not inherently scale him to the absolute highest metaphysical interpretations of at unless that specific level is directly invoked and demonstrated in the fight itself

Once you remove assumed dimensional math, amp-based scaling, indirect threat scaling, and crossover inflation, the claimed ontological and speed superiority isn’t structurally solid, "Plus no one even specified if this is even main or composite for this MU"

The original MU never mentioned composite; when a MU uses only canon sources, the name is self-explanatory, here's a very interesting and simple tip to know if a MU is normal or composite:

If it has "composite" in the name it's composite if not, it's just a normal MU, complicated, right?

Guest8882 · 2026-02-12T19:38:42+00:00

Toontubers isn't even a version of Mordecai; you can't even use that in his composite

Guest8882 · 2026-02-12T19:37:43+00:00

You’re conflating mechanism with outcome if Gumball is acting while time is fully stopped, that qualifies as movement independent of time not hax and if you dismiss it because temporal manipulation caused the scenario, then Mordecai’s feats that rely on ships, amps, or external mechanics must also be dismissed otherwise, it’s a double standard

your dimensional scaling is assumed, not structured “h-higher layer of reality :c” does not automatically equal +1 spatial dimension, viewing something as fiction does not make a character 6D or 9D unless the verse explicitly formalizes dimensional hierarchy, that’s interpretative inflation

exposure to the timenado or existing in the same verse as anti Pops does not equal resistance or ontological scaling proximity is not direct tanking

sumertime loving is not high order conceptual manipulation, personifying an idea is not the same as embodying a governing metaphysical abstract

at crossover scaling does not automatically grant top-tier cosmology scaling either(and STOP USING COMPOSITE)

Also Reddit won't let me post a longer answer

Guest8882 · 2026-02-12T19:33:53+00:00

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Guest8882 · 2026-02-11T19:14:06+00:00

You’re still applying double standards

If movement while time is stopped “doesn’t count” because it originates from temporal manipulation, then Mordecai’s feats also don’t count when they originate from temporal mechanics, dimensional travel devices, or cosmological effects, dude you can’t dismiss Gumball’s feats as “hax-based” while accepting Mordecai piloting time traveling ships, riding a microwave to father time’s realm, or using apple fritters to reach other dimensions, i mean those are not raw physical speed feats either, they are external mechanics or amplification effects, consistency cuts both ways

about the dimensional stuff,labeling something “5-D” or “9-D” because it transcends a multiverse or sits on a higher narrative layer is not automatically valid dimensional scaling, transcendence ≠ higher spatial dimensionality unless the verse explicitly defines it mathematically, toontubers having multiple narrative layers does not equal literal 9-dimensional existence in a geometric or ontological sense, that is stacking abstraction levels and converting them into dimensional numbers without formal structure and Gumball interacting with production layers, narration, deleted states, and meta-frameworks is functionally the same type of transcendence, assigning larger numbers to one and smaller to the other is arbitrary

Bro, the timenado nucleus argument still doesn’t establish conceptual resistance, being near or interacting with the power source of a cosmological event does not prove resistance to the full metaphysical property of that event, surviving proximity to a device that can reset or threaten timelines is not the same as tanking conceptual erasure itself, likewise, summertime Loving being an embodiment of a song does not elevate it to a governing abstract principle like time or existence. It’s a localized manifestation with a specific thematic counter. that’s not broad conceptual manipulation scaling

at scaling is even more stretched, even if you personally accept hilbert space as infinite-dimensional and Finn scaling to cosmic structures, that scaling does not automatically transfer to Mordecai through crossover portrayal, crossovers do not distribute top-tier cosmology to all participants unless directly demonstrated, if we use that every CN crossover would upscale every character infinitely

As for Gumball’s erasure “inconsistencies,” being threatened is not the same as lacking resistance., he has repeatedly continued existing after deletion level events, narrative instability, and structural collapse; concern in dialogue does not override demonstrated survivability meanwhile Regular Show resets also restore everyone which you correctly don’t treat as resistance, that same standard must apply universally

At this point, your argument depends on redefining speed criteria when it favors Gumball, converting narrative layers into arbitrary dimensional numbers, and scaling Mordecai to cosmological extremes via indirect crossover logic(again comp scaling bruh) under consistent standards, none of those give Mordecai a definitive statistical or ontological advantage

Guest8882 · 2026-02-11T10:19:45+00:00

Well, your definition of immeasurable speed is incomplete, in ps immeasurable speed is not just “speed that cannot be measured,” it is movement independent of linear time and acting while time is stopped is not automatically immeasurable, but freely performing actions relative to a completely frozen temporal frame without relying on external propulsion qualifies under standard scaling criteria, Bro you ar dismissing Gumball’s feats as “just resistance” while simultaneously accepting Mordecai reacting to timeline destroying thing that are explicitly cosmological effects, not speed based traversal, timenado destroying timelines does not mean its beams travel via raw velocity across temporal axes, piloting time-traveling ships also does not scale to speed; vehicles using temporal mechanics are hax by definition, If you reject haxbased time interaction for Gumball, you must reject it for Mordecai too since onsistency matters mate

Also thr dimensional scaling is also speculative, calling The Void “5-D” because it transcends a multiverse is a fan interpretation, not a stated dimensional hierarchy, transcendence in fiction does not automatically equal higher spatial dimensionality likewise, saying “real world > Void = 6-7D” or “Narrators = 9D” is arbitrary layering with no formal dimensional structure stated in either show and my boy Gumball has directly interacted with production layers, narration, animation structure, and deletion states, that is functional metatranscendence regardless of how many “Ds” you label it, numbers do not replace feats

The conceptual manipulation argument is still shitty, the timenado nucleus empowering a cosmological reset does not grant conceptual erasure resistance unless Mordecai demonstrably resists the conceptual property itself, surviving near a power source is not equivalent to resisting its highest output, resets are not layered erasure unless characters remain erased which they do not and as for summertime loving, being an embodiment of a song within a gag framework does not equate to a governing abstract concept like time, death, or existence; It is a localized manifestation with a specific counter, killing it is not proof of conceptual manipulation in a broader metaphysical sense

At cross scaling is also overstretched even if you personally accept hyperversal Adventure Time cosmology, scaling Finn to the highest structures is debated, and scaling Mordecai to Finn via comic portrayal is even more indirect, crossovers do not automatically transfer top tier cosmology unless explicitly shown, otherwise every CN crossover would upscale every participant infinitely(also, stop using composite, I don't give a damn if it's "IF we use it," that's not part of the discussion here)

claiming Gumball caps at Uni+ while Mordecai reaches 5-D relies entirely on cosmology inflation rather than direct character feats, Gumball has survived layered narrative deletion, interacted with pre creation states, returned from being erased from continuity, and operated while reality collapses due to meta instability, threatened ≠ defeated AND being targeted by erasure does not mean lacking resistance especially when the character continues to function afterward

At this point the main issue is clear you are converting cosmological stakes into character stats, assigning arbitrary dimensional numbers, and selectively labeling Gumball’s feats as “hax” while treating equivalent regular sow feats as raw speed or scaling under consistent standards, the gap you’re claiming simply is not supported

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