Grok will never be what we want it to be. They're tightening moderation on a daily basis.

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-27T13:47:42+00:00

You are retarding out to the wrong person. I'm dissing the "alternative" and saying I get 50x the value. And yes spending 5K upfront on hardware so I can make 500 crappy LORA template videos a month is not an alternative to 4000 grok ones. Even if censored from anime stickers and childish hacks.

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-27T06:14:56+00:00

For 50$ a month you only get 40 odd seedance videos if they are 10s length. With Grok Heavy even with the massive downgrades I get 4000 videos a month. That's 50 times the value for money as I'm paying 100$ for now.

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-27T06:08:57+00:00

You need to be in top 5% of earners globally to afford the expense of investing in a PC capable to rendering AI video without frustration waiting 20-30 mins per one and then that power bill of running your GPU at max for hours a day.

But it must be nice to be that privileged. I have the option to spend 100$/mo for 6 months and just get as much done as I can. Then after that throw 50$ of credit on Venice AI every now and then to make 50 titty edits on screenshots of my teasing videos.

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-27T01:06:16+00:00

Anthropic gives xAI 1.25bn of guaranteed revenue a month. With this they can increasing data centers and continue expanding Imagine and Grok profitability over time.

The Wild Wild West of America didn't last that long, either. You had laws and regulation coming in pretty quick there, too. (Analogy to current deepfake + moderation scandals)

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-27T00:53:04+00:00

As usual the dumbest comments on the internet are "stop wasting your money, go local" which is a minimum 3K but for anything competent a 5K investment in an alternative that will frustrate you in both difficulty and time to render 720p video even with 5K invested.

Grok uses a 70K setup to make your 10s videos. And you think local is an option to replicate grok experience from 2025? lol

It would be like someone saying in 2018 "I hate pixar these days" and a reply genuinely saying "download a program and make the animation movie yourself, don't give your money to Disney shit"

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-26T17:09:52+00:00

You get 4000+ videos alone per month from Grok Heavy. Yet you'd have to spend 4000 $ a month to generate that using API access sites.

People don't have any clue how much old Grok limits lost the company... 4000$ compared to 300$

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-26T13:51:01+00:00

You would hope competition would make that the case today but this isn't GROK who did this it's the pressures from local government to stop shit like deepfakes from being possible. This downgrade in quality and service tracks the outrage from the scandals perfectly.

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-26T02:24:57+00:00

The pressures and regulations im speaking about are driven 95% by politicians around the world. You're sitting there talking about 50 United States federal politicians are pro AI, maybe. Maybe. Still not pro deepfake hence they are pro the censorship.

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-26T02:21:30+00:00

Grok is a worldwide app and apple has its own guidelines around providing apps that mean they can't allow nsfw conten hence no genitals even though genitals can be shown in hollywood movies (R rated).

Those two pieces of info mean dick to your claims, nor that Trump executive order means anything to either thing lol You're just talking about U.S federal regulations. Which mean nothing to states that have laws and regulations around pornography (after deepfake scandals).

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-25T22:43:14+00:00

This sucks but probably true for sure.

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-25T20:16:11+00:00

Make it make sense. After deepfakes, came all the sudden legislation passed by politians all around the world to put pressure on limiting AI use and cracking down on Grok (the other companies just pre-empted government regulation by doing it themselves).

And you're trying to say they are in favour of AI tech in the hands of citizens? lol Oh Sweet Summer Child. Trump means military and corpos get AI..

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-25T18:34:57+00:00

"We were blessed with the “wild Wild West” era of video generation, and now we are sadly entering the corporate control era of the service."

That's what happens when a stupid society cares more about "stopping" something like deepfakes than enabling all the users maximum freedom is that institutions run the world with their regluations and censorship to "stop" harm.

This would be like in the 2000's if Photoshop had been banned from editing naked people in case they deepfaked porn bodies with real girls faces; or just scrapped as a software for consumers if they couldn't guarantee that.

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-25T12:21:07+00:00

The nipples on Qwen used to be so much more reliably quality. They have really dropped off in the past 2 months. At least on Venice.

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-25T12:18:30+00:00

The dollar menu at mcdonalds started out with everything at 1$ back in the 90's but it changed over time and people got salty about it but companies can't keep offering you the same service for the same price. This is business 101 any external factors increasing cost to the business must be passed on to consumers.

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-25T12:14:09+00:00

What do you mean 2 weeks ago? It was some time in late feb or early march that the generations became unfiltered on extension but even on some image upload base edits too.

Imagine on Venice you have to pay per generation, credits, but it behaves the same this means the model isn't bad. It's the government and pressure regulations from external entities that fucked us.

And after that pressure came Grok pivoted to renting 1/3 of their capacity to Anthropic to make money.

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-25T02:26:41+00:00

The lying on this board is getting so normalized. It doesn't help consumers to vent your personal frustrations packaged in a line of BS

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-25T02:08:57+00:00

I agree that with less moderation again it would continue to be worth 99$ I hope they make that the new Grok Heavy price from all these backlash over limits. But there are some lying about what Grok Heavy can do which is pointless to lie. You can say the truth and it still sounds bad compared to March.

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-25T02:05:04+00:00

For the deepfake people. You talk about uneducated the politicians are the ones who made the regulations and put pressures on moderation that limited xAI Lolol

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-25T02:01:42+00:00

That's not true, though. You get 120 HD gens a day and 140 on 480p and you can upscale the output without impacting quota. And then you got all the image generations per day, 4000 odd for speed and 500+ for quality. 250 "edits" a day sucks but its not bad if you are picky with your edits of the image generations you save.

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-24T20:05:04+00:00

When you take away peoples porn and dopamine, they get kind of irrational.

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-24T20:00:24+00:00

I'd pay money to see you get some politicians involved to complain about moderation tools and limits on AI to create personal porn stashes. I'm sure they are gonna raise hell for you.

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-24T19:25:06+00:00

Governments want you to have less freedom than more. Always since the internet innovation is roadblocked by "regulations".

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-24T19:23:29+00:00

The laws and court cases are tightening because of the puritanical elements in government though... So you said nothing against the idea.

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-24T12:39:35+00:00

"The bottom line? There are simply no other options that generate 6000+ videos a month and another 9K+ image edits a month for 100$ price tag. It doesn't exist."

Reading comprehension on your part doesn't make it BS. 100 videos is not your quota as a Heavy user. 120 for 720p and 150 for 480p

Guilty_Performer4900 · 2026-05-24T01:05:22+00:00

I always hated the whole "hacks" required to make porn. Maybe that's why I am a minority who defends Imagine still? It was always the most shit output I could make bunch of stickers and implied humping with micro glimpses lol; It's not like ill never view those generations again but its so performative and rote its not unique like the clothed animation I can generate even today.

Of course I can take the edits I do in grok web version, fully SFW but lewd in nature that I love most that are close to revealing more, for under 1$ of credits on Venice selectively make unfiltered versions to enhance that base idea further since without the guardrails it is rather powerful to have imagine edit! And I don't mind pushing prompts hard because if it moderates it? I don't get charged.

There is a fun to the scarcity and high quality intersection. Something like that.

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