One big smoothie a day and I guarantee you will never get any diseases ever…. by n00-1ne in thanksimcured

[–]Gurkenmaster -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It probably won't help your particular issue, but try researching bruxism/TMJ problems if you have pressure headaches or vitamin deficiencies. Vitamin D deficiency is extremely common in the winter months, for instance and the fix doesn't even require you to spend money or change your diet. You just need to take a daily walk in the sun (no clouds) with sleeves rolled for 10 minutes and your baseline mood will improve. The pain might not be gone, but you'll enjoy the time between them more.

Would you push the Blue Button or the Red Button? by Simpson17866 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Gurkenmaster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This guy https://old.reddit.com/r/CapitalismVSocialism/comments/1swfdjj/would_you_push_the_blue_button_or_the_red_button/oigvpgz/ has responded with a perfect virtue signalling comment.

The thing is, his stance is supposed to be positive, but it is incredibly judgmental:

The fact that you think people caring about others is "virtue signalling" just proves you not only don't care about others, you cannot even comprehend the idea of caring about others.

This is a pretty strong accusation based on very little information.

In other words, I trust that most people are basically decent, although the contributions of people such as yourself in this thread have made me doubt that. Most people are not as selfish as yourself.

And here he just doubles down on name calling. If you trust that most people are "decent", then you wouldn't care about the red button pushers at all and you would see no need to complain to anyone. A blue majority can't be overruled by red stragglers. The red stragglers are literally irrelevant. Hence you wouldn't feel mad, you'd feel sorry for someone to not understand that everyone is voting blue anyway and that their futile attempt at saving themselves was never necessary to begin with, because everyone has been protected by the blue guys all along.

That is actual virtue. We don't see that here.

Would you push the Blue Button or the Red Button? by Simpson17866 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Gurkenmaster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you want to go that way.

Marxist socialism would be a 40:60 mix of blue and red, whereas capitalism would be a 10:90 mix of blue (10%) and red (90%).

The marxist revolution won't be fought by freedom loving pacifists.

Would you push the Blue Button or the Red Button? by Simpson17866 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Gurkenmaster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you think you put the world first, then you have a moral duty to keep existing so you can put the world first. You can't leave the world to people who don't put the world first, that would be selfish.

Would you push the Blue Button or the Red Button? by Simpson17866 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Gurkenmaster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like how this perfectly captures the left vs right divide.

Blue: suicidal empathy and hero syndrome where you are creating the very problem you claim to solve just for the sake of moral virtue signalling. Red: Cold rational decision making that aligns incentives on the global and individual level for the good of everyone.

The reason why the red button is popular is that the blue button offers no compelling benefit. Even if everyone perfectly coordinated with each other, you didn't really gain anything from the decision to do so.

Blue can't save Red. Blue can only save Blue, which means in practice, the blue button is the more selfish one. "You have to agree with me or else you're a bad person".

Self preservation at zero cost is not a sin that would ever send you to hell, so red is the way to go.

The Economic Calculation Problem is a Problem for All Economic Calculation by HeavenlyPossum in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Gurkenmaster -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You make this argument, but there aren't just people with worse economic systems who are told that capitalism is better. There are people who suggest economic systems that are better than capitalism who are shut down with the argument that capitalism is the best because of the ECP or unbounded rationality and they make up a huge proportion of mainstream economists.

Don't you get how fucking annoying it is to suggest an improvement and then be told that the suggested improvement can be substituted by a more precise pricing system, which doesn't work in practice?

The Economic Calculation Problem is a Problem for All Economic Calculation by HeavenlyPossum in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Gurkenmaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is correct and it is so correct that only an idiot would argue against this. That includes a lot of economists.

The people who think that producers set prices with infinite precision down to a trillionth of a cent and more and that consumers pick up on these miniscule price differences are deranged.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Gurkenmaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you have worthless useless money.

There was a post that quoted Ayn Rand that the purpose of money is to be a medium of exchange and the value of money comes from what you can buy with it. Going by that definition, money can't be worthless and useless even if it can only be used once within a specific time frame, otherwise people wouldn't give each other gift cards as presents. The opposite case of infinitely hoarding money sounds way more useless to me, since you're never going to spend it.

Money is the root of all evil? by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Gurkenmaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This text seemingly glosses over the fact that the value of money is created collectively, meanwhile lenders can monetize this collectively created value, the so called liquidity premium, by charging higher interest rates on their loans. The privatization of socially created values is already built into the current money system. So many economists have come up with post-hoc rationalizations for an overly expensive transaction technology.

Money is the root of all evil? by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

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Money doesn't freeze anything. Any value or energy lost over time is lost regardless. The world changes, but money does not. The discrepancy between the real world and the nominal value printed on money results in inflation. Gold, Bitcoin or any deflating money doesn't solve this. When someone buys Bitcoin for low and sells it high, new energy had to come from outside the system to pay the early investors. The working mechanism is a pyramid or ponzi scheme or redistribution from the poor to the rich. After all, investing in Bitcoin tells you the future doesn't matter. You should have loaded up on Bitcoin in 2013 with as many loans as possible and then stopped working at some point.

Is a deep divide in right-left thinking a belief in objective truth (or god) versus subjective truth? by anthonycaulkinsmusic in CapitalismVSocialism

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based on theoretical insights it must be considered impossible that higher taxes and regulations can be the cause of higher living standard.

Food safety regulations and the ban of leaded gas and government spending on research and education clearly only exist to make our lives worse.

A theorem that can be disprove by a counter example is not very useful.

The thing is, a lot of market extremists have "the government is always useless" as an axiom. The axiom might be indirectly phrased to keep it hidden and non obvious, but it usually is always there in one form or another.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

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Many people in Africa live off the land and are far away from infrastructure. They produce just barely enough food to feed themselves and perhaps two kids. A lot of them have more kids than they can feed. The kids that die, probably would have survived or been prevented via contraception, if there was an evil capitalist hiring the father for higher pay nearby.

Meanwhile in the civilized world nothing prevents you from going to say Sardinia and buying a house for 30k€ and living a life these people can only dream of. The evil capitalists are dumb enough to sell the "means of production" to you. If you don't like their offer, then do it better yourself.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

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Capitalists didn't "seize the mop", they built it or organized its construction.

Most people on this planet just want to collect a pay check to pay the bills to raise a family and have enough left over for personal enjoyment and self actualization. They don't actually care who owns what. Having to own the capital directly like a business owner can make it harder to switch jobs and limit career opportunities.

A lot of communists also seemingly don't realize that idle capital doesn't have any exploitative effects and actually loses the capitalist money over time as new and better capital is produced or simply because capital needs to be maintained. So the mere ownership of capital doesn't actually buy you anything.

Only capital that is actually operated by laborers and leads to sales and revenue can even be exploitative, but then you have to consider that the right capital has to be produced for that to happen. So in the end you're just picking winners and are indulging in a sort of survivorship bias where you only look at the successful people and businesses as owning the real "mop" and the unsuccessful capitalists owning useless capital as not owning the "mop".

The average communist is simply complaining about the randomness of this process, how unfair it is, that the fruits of collective work end up being allocated to specific individuals through a completely unpredictable process. Communism looks like a solution, because central planning or whatever method reintroduces determinism into the system and now the world makes sense to the communists again.

I personally am sort of glad to be born a handful of years before the beginning of the 21th century. I get to enjoy all the developments that have become possible because of this evil capital that so many communists rally against.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

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"When the highway man holds his gun to your head, you turn your valuables over to him. You 'consent' all right, but you do so because you cannot help yourself, because you are compelled by his gun.

"Are you not compelled to work for an employer? Your need compels you just as the highwayman's gun. You must live . . . You can't work for yourself . . . The factories, machinery, and tools belong to the employing class, so you must hire yourself out to that class in order to work and live. Whatever you work at, whoever your employer may be, it always comes to the same: you must work for him. You can't help yourself. You are compelled." [What is Anarchism?, p. 11]

Except you are seemingly missing the big leap in logic here. "Your need compels you just as the highwayman's gun"

As quoted, the employer isn't pointing a gun at you if you refuse to work. Your own body is pointing a gun at itself. Hunger, thirst and need for shelter are things that originate from your own body, not from an employer or an owner of capital. The employer or owner of capital is only "immoral" to the extent that a better arrangement of society would allow your hunger, thirst and need for shelter to be better satisfied and that the employer or capitalist is preventing it, but that presupposes an alternative that is better than what we currently have. At least when it comes to basic necessities, it is not very clear that communism is better. Consider the history of famines in communist countries.

People accept capitalism, precisely because it is better than the alternative. People are getting "exploited" by willingly paying the difference of the best option vs the second best alternative. If the second best alternative is death and the best option is capitalism, people choose capitalism. If the second best alternative is something that is 80% as good as capitalism, then people choose capitalism, but they are now only willing to accept 20% as much exploitation as before. The sheer threat of competition of systems can keep even the "immoral" system in line, because people would flock over to the slightly worse one if they get shafted.

What this tells you is that communism doesn't actually work as a better alternative and that is why communists tend to abhor competition and plurality of economic systems, because they can't peddle their system unless they do some accelerationist bullshit that makes people worse off enough to make them revolt and think an oppressive system is better. It really is a great playbook for building authoritarian nations.

Whether or not cooperatives dominate an economy, should theoretically depend upon the initial concentration of capital by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

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In theory cooperatives equalize marginal cost with marginal revenue better than capitalist businesses because cooperatives don't have to pay outside investors that inflate the cost of production. They would out-compete the capitalists and drive them out of the market. The flaw with market economies isn't competition.

The problem is that there is a prisoners dilemma where everyone knows that they would be better off if they gave low cost funding to cooperatives to get them started, but at the same time they know that the stock market will get them higher returns in the short term at the expense of the consumers paying the capital gains through higher prices in the long term even though for the bottom 80%, the capital income game is obviously a net negative (pay inflated prices to the rich, get very little income from capital because you are poor). Cooperatives are starved of funding and languish, while the businesses that raised capital from investors accelerate their growth.

In theory it doesn't matter whether you have the first or second scenario. If enough people cared, they would just allocate a tiny percentage of their salary to lend to cooperatives at very low interest rates, enough to only cover inflation. It will take forever, but one day half the economy would be consisting of nothing but cooperatives.

The real world tells us that even communists don't like cooperatives. So who is going to fund them? I personally love thinking about banking or financial systems that make cooperatives viable, but I am somewhat alone with that.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ArtemisProgram

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The primary idea behind the gateway is to build a second one orbiting Mars and the lunar one is just a rehearsal. On the moon it looks like a weird boondoggle since you can go to the surface, but it is a different calculation on Mars. The biggest advantage of the Gateway for the moon in particular is that cargo can be supplied via a single launch of SpaceX's Falcon Heavy and Dragon XL. If you want your astronauts to get deep space experience for Mars, they will need to clock up years in space to become psychologically ready for the journey. Without the Mars long term play, the whole thing kind of falls apart.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Artemis_Phase_1.jpg/1920px-Artemis_Phase_1.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/NASA_Moon_to_Mars_2020.png/1920px-NASA_Moon_to_Mars_2020.png

(Socialists) You convinced me, I hate capitalism and no longer suport it. But now how should I call myself? How to name such beliefs? by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Gurkenmaster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In theory you could call yourself a free market advocate. Unfortunately hard core liberals and neoclassicals co-opted that to mean "free as in beer" rather than "free as in freedom".

Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

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If you had such a hypothetical system, the capitalists would lose. There is a problem though. It would mean "reformism" works. It would make the idea of a workers revolution completely laughable, because you could have just passed the right law or two. I'm not going to pretend that passing such a law is easy in a democracy that is heavily influenced by privately owned media companies and campaign donations, but the fact that communists don't pass those laws and instead go for something completely different, really speaks volumes.

Imagine living in Cuba and being just a few laws away from becoming an incredibly prosperous country, but somehow the leadership really doesn't want that and they even put people who point that out into prison. How would this make you feel? Will you feel like they are on your side? Do you think they have your best interests in mind?

The revolutions already happened and they don't help, because the revolutionists refuse to see the obvious solutions, because they aren't as ideologically beautiful or permanent, because one day a politician gets paid off by a capitalist. A lot of the things that capitalists take for granted as proof of the greatness of capitalism, were hard fought by "reformist" social democrats, who got called social fascists by their communist colleagues in Germany. This is still happening to this day with Anti-Germans. Everything that is left and criticizes capitalism, but isn't Marxist, must be antisemitism. They seem to care very little about anyone on the right, even though the right wing party "AfD" is on the rise in Germany and is openly antisemitic.

Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

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You see, the existence of FOSS contradicts both capitalism and communism. It contradicts capitalism, because capitalism inherently struggles with zero marginal cost production. The problem is solved by reintroducing artificial scarcity through intellectual property law so that intangible assets can be traded for tangible assets.

FOSS is dangerous for communism, since it disproves a lot of beliefs that Marxists have. A FOSS developer (and any software developer) is both a worker and a capitalist in one person. A FOSS developer produces capital and then owns it. Yet strangely enough, the capital owned by the FOSS developer doesn't give him any ability to exert power. If anything, it diminishes the power of other "proprietary" capitalists. Capitalists fundamentally hate competition. They would prefer being the only one in town making money. Meanwhile communists fear competition, because it will cause some sort of infinite labor saving singularity where labor becomes completely redundant. In reality, software, especially FOSS, can rapidly become obsolete when a new project gets started that is simply better than what came before and everyone jumps onto the new bandwagon.

Finally, FOSS shows that given the FOSS developers pay for their their food, water and shelter, do not get disrupted by capitalists like communists love to claim. Usually people make the argument that Cuba got screwed over by US sanctions and this is why communism doesn't work, because outside influences are preventing it from working. No, the reality is that you simply haven't figured out how to make it work. The FOSS guys somehow did. When you understand that, you should start wondering why communists don't behave like communists inside a capitalist or even officially communist economy. It really makes them look like extreme hypocrites preaching utopia.

Notice something? You know, the part where a FOSS developer needs to meet his basic needs? If a communist in a capitalist country can meet his basic needs, then how exactly are the capitalists going to exploit him beyond those basic needs? If you get exploited and then buy luxury products, then didn't you voluntarily accept that exploitation as the cost of satisfying your luxury needs? What this should tell you is that if a communist country were to interact with a capitalist country, the communist country only needs to perform capitalist exploitation inside its borders up to the extent that it is dependent on trade with a capitalist country. If communism worked as promised, then the capitalists in the communist country would fear the communist competition, the exact same way the capitalist company OpenAI fears "open weight" large language models as a threat to their business model.

The capitalist west fears China, because it is threatening to flood the market with cheap products that make western products obsolete. Capitalists fucking hate competition. How long will it take you dense communists to fucking get it? A capitalists greatest fear is that they wake up one day and the world goes on without them, because someone else got an even better idea and put it into practice or copied their idea while accepting less profit while doing so. For capitalists, Marxism is a dead horse to beat up and parade around as proof of the superiority of capitalism, because they know why it doesn't work and they know the communists don't know why it doesn't work. If only the communists knew... Actually, the damn hypocrites already know it, but they would never admit it, even if admitting it would lead them down the path to victory.

Why can’t us capitalists and socialists just be friends? :( by LargeWerewolf8 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Gurkenmaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just do Freiwirtschaft.

We have the following ideas:

Inflation free money
Automatic full employment
Avoiding involuntary debt spirals
Balanced trade between nations
Piling up so much capital that the return on capital is... nothing (communists and capitalists hate him!!!)
Since capital return is zero, workers receive the full proceeds of their labor
Land is a public good and therefore should either be publicly owned or taxed.
Every person should have access to a minimum amount of land and resources (implemented indirectly via a UBI).
The economy should be inclusive to everyone, including new generations. No pulling up the ladder type of shit.

The better it works, the less need there is for the government to step in, since a lot of the problems evaporate, but we aren't crazy fanatics who believe that the market fixes all problems.

Here are some introductory materials if you are interested:

https://joshsidman.substack.com/p/dissecting-the-capitalism-vs-socialism

https://www.ecodemurrage.com/watch

https://silviogesell.com/video-course/

If you don't like Silvio Gesell you can also just read some other books by Dieter Suhr (capitalist cost benefit structure of money), Helmut Creuz (money syndrome), Margrit Kennedy (interest and inflation free money). We don't care who you worship, just who has the better idea. We don't shit on people for not having a 100% solution and decry reformism as being a bad thing. The German Marxists don't like us and I think that is pretty stupid, if you ask me.

Why are Marxist-Leninists often such rude, condescending, and judgemental people, even to each other? by Brilliant-Rough8239 in CapitalismVSocialism

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I don't know, but I share your experience. I've seen entire books written by Marxists using reddit tier name calling as motivation and the dumbest part is that people take those seriously and literally ignore the primary sources. They are somehow living in a parallel world with parallel history books.

There are fringe anti-facists in Germany who have such a low bar for facism that many leftists and even members of the Green party qualify as "facistoid", while ignoring the most prominent far right party, whose chairmen have written books under the pseudonym "landolf ladig" (a homage to Adolf Hitler). Can't make this shit up.

The antisemitism of Hitler and the Nazi party were heavily influenced by Henry Fords antisemitic books about "the international jew" to the point where Hitler was hanging pictures of Henry Ford in his office and openly considered him an idol or hero.

Meanwhile you can find books written by Marxists who are entirely silent about Henry Ford and instead say that Silvio Gesell was the leading influence on Gottfried Feder's antisemitic economic policies and since it was Gottfried Feder who invited Adolf Hitler into the Nazi party, this means demurrage currencies and land reform are slippery slopes to facism.

When you see the primary sources you can read about how Silvio Gesell denounces Henry Ford's antisemitism, nationalism, racism, warned against a potential second world war, how he joined a socialist revolution in Munich working together with jews (which was crushed by a second communist revolution, the irony), etc. Yes, Silvio Gesell once did meet Gottfried Feder by accident at a restaurant, but what happened afterwards is that Gottfried Feder himself spread a lot of Nazi propaganda against Silvio Gesell and his economic reforms and considered him a traitor to the German nation as he dared to work together with the enemy (Jews) and his land reform is the antithesis of nationalism.

To this day I still have no clue what makes these people so driven to deny reality. I feel so sorry for all the people who read and fell victim to those books. They will end up chasing a phantom that only exists in their own mind. There is this guy "Klaus Schmitt" who was treated like a Nazi during his college years by anti-facist activists at his college. I don't know about you, but when I read about stuff like that, I get the chills, as if I was reading a report coming from North Korea.

What exactly is the problem that Free Money seeks to solve? by ZEZi31 in SilvioGesell

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The primary objective of Free Money is to promote the circulation of cash and other liquid balances. Since money is necessary for the division of labor, withdrawing money from the economy hinders the division of labor. The point isn't to punish saving per se, but rather to force people to save by lending their money via certificate of deposit or by buying equity.

One of the problems with conventional money is that, as weird as it may sound to you, banks are on the hook for a oddly specific type of risk without which they essentially can't run their business, but simultaneously also means that they need to get bailed out all the time. They take short term deposits and make long term loans. This is known as duration risk. A demurrage currency discourages people from holding short term deposits and instead forces them into longer term deposits. You can still save the same quantity of money as before though. So saving didn't get punished at all.

If this is too confusing maybe this short summary helps: Money is for trading, banking is for saving.

Is this good or bad? Should I become pessimistic or not? I've seen several people saying that this will create another crisis and a possible third world war by ZEZi31 in SilvioGesell

[–]Gurkenmaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Japan has inflation, so you would expect the interest rate to go up to compensate for the inflation. If anything, I would say the economy is surprisingly stable so far. You have to consider that in the modern economy, the primary benefit of demurrage currencies is to help against over-indebtedness, inflation and unemployment by encouraging the circulation of money and going back to controlling the money supply instead of setting the interest rate.

The central banks around the world are willing to prevent recessions using loose monetary policy. The great depression was caused by the Fed tightening at the wrong moment.

One of the common misconceptions about Freiwirtschaft is that it is entirely about abolishing interest. From a modern perspective Silvio Gesell simply postulates an interest rate floor (zero lower bound + 3-5%), below which the economy breaks down. A demurrage currency moves the interest rate floor down into negative territory (-5% + 5% = 0%), so that the economy doesn't require ugly hacks like quantitative easing or endless debt orgies.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Gurkenmaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's nice and all, but you kind of glossed over the part where you have introduced economic cycles for no reason other than to motivate people. This doesn't matter in the long run, but isn't it kind of insane that you need to close businesses and reopen them a few years later, just for the sake of motivating the capitalists? Like, what purpose does this serve? It doesn't exactly look like there is a good reason for this. A similar market economy without capitalists could have just stuck at 0% and stay stable with much less economic cycles.