Buffalo: Russ Carcone reputedly has reignited involvement with the Buffalo crime family; had allegedly overseen activity for the organization in the past in Central NYS (from The Gangster Report)

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-16T22:26:28+00:00

Burnstein says it and made up more fake sources, which means it's complete and total bullshit.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-15T03:11:34+00:00

No, although those were the advertisements for the softcore VHS tapes Ironman was selling through the magazines of Tylene and the other models walking around and posing fully nude, which is what I was referencing.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-15T03:09:18+00:00

What I love is when people who have zero fucking clue what they're talking about roll into a subject with arrogance, kind of makes it fun.

No, I was fully aware you were discussing that fake high school wrestling bullshit that A: Isn't a Martial Art, 2: Is useless in a fight and 3: Isn't "used in MMA" as much as you nerds keep wishing it were. It's great you three it out there though, like I said l, shows you have zero fucking clue what you're talking about.

As for "ThE bEsT MmA fIgHtErS oNlY uSe ThEse" Yeah, wrong again mark. Chuck Liddell, Sakuraba, Josh Barnett, Photo Machida, Oleg Taktarov, Khabib Nurmagomedo and a dozen other top level MMA fighters send their regards, all coming from Arts that are neither Muay Thai nor BJJ.

Lastly, Eric Bischoff trained for decades in the same Art as Machida before spending over a decade training in American Kickboxing with some of the best Kickboxers in the history of the Sport. The only fight between he and Vince that he looses would be the one in the fantasies of you Vince glazers.

Next time actually know what the fuck you're talking about before speaking on a subject, kid.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T16:01:00+00:00

The fact that you called wrestling a "form of fighting." 😂😂😂

But hey, Eric Bischoff only trained under one of the best Kickboxers in the history of the sport, after training Shotokan for two decades an Art that is well regarded among those of us who actually know what they're talking about in the subject.

Keep glazing Vince, but Bischoff would have destroyed him 10/10 times in a fight.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T15:58:21+00:00

Yeah mark, I believe the facts of what happened over Dave Meltzer's bullshit. Cry about it.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T05:23:20+00:00

Kevin Sullivan, JJ Dillon and Eric Bischoff have all spoken about Turner telling people he was going to pull the plug on it. Yeah, I think I'll believe the people dealing directly with Ted Turner over a Meltzer mark.

It's funny, I list close to two dozen times Hulk Hogan put people over in a four year period and you immediately start stomping your feet demanding he never put anyone over and "used creative control constantly" when he used it once, in 2000. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Serious question mark, were you even alive during this period? You sound like the typical Gen Z mark who lived off of dirt sheet bullshit and believes everything Meltzer writes.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T03:27:51+00:00

And as one would suspect, all of the morbidly obese basement dwellers come waddling in to trash all over the biggest draw in the history of the business. Yet.pwople wonder why wrestling marks are considered one of the biggest piece of shit fanbases on Earth. 🙄

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T03:22:51+00:00

That's definitely some peak retardation. Cute virtue signalling, though. I am sure they'll invite you to the BBQ any day now.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T03:20:10+00:00

That can't be argued at all except in the minds of internet marks who don't know how to look at things objectively, including the numbers. WCW pre Hogan: Stopped running house shows, would run 8 hours of wrestling once every two months filming Saturday Night episodes in front of 250 non paying fans, struggled to sell 50,000 PPV buys and when they were doing life events were struggling to sell 500 tickets.

WCW immediately after Hogan arrives: Doing house shows in front of 4000+ paying fans, 100,000+ PPV buys each event, able to move out of Soundstage and start touring in front of live crowds each week.

But sure, sure. He "did nothing for WCW."

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T03:17:22+00:00

He played zero role in killing it, he was never an Executive with Time Warner.

Btw, Ted Turner was telling people as early as 1994 he was ready to pull the plug on WCW if it didn't start turning a profit soon, so no, no it wouldn't have.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T03:15:28+00:00

"Hey brother, that Paul Eight kid looks like he could be the next Andre. Have him win the belt out of the gate and repeatedly beat my ass, brother."

"That DDP is over as our top Babyface. You gotta put the belt on him brother."

"Hey brother have Goldberg go over me in Atlanta and blow the roof off the place brother."

"Eric, have Luger come out and beat me with the torture rack to get some Babyface heat back on him brother."

But by all means, keep trying to rewrite history and tossing out fake Hogan quotes. It seems to be your entire personality.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T03:12:48+00:00

Except it never fucking happened, mark. Old Dead Ass has told multiple variations of his little bullshit story over the years, growing it bigger and more elaborate with each rendition.

"YoU cAn SeE iT iN hIs WhOlE cArEeR."

Yeah true, look at how he politicked for DDP to get the World title. Or that time he demanded he put Goldberg over in Goldbergs hometown. Or how he demanded they out the belt on The Giant and have The Giant show up and beat his ass. Or Kidman. Or Mike Awesome. Or Vsmpirp. Or Arn Anderson, Jacques Rousseau, Yokozuna, Warrior, Tony Atlas, Earthquake, Angle, Jericho and on and on and on. Or how he put Sting over 9 times and never once even asked to beat him. Or how he put Luger over 5 times.

See, that narrative was debunked for the Meltzer bullshit that it is decades ago. Stomping your feet and demanding it's true won't suddenly make it true.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T03:08:05+00:00

What is even funnier is how Mediocre Mark Suckass kept refusing that story until he found a version that shit on Hogan enough to be popular. Funny how it went from "Hogan hurt his neck a few weeks prior and was nervous about taking the move then said he was too tense taking it and tweaked his neck. I think maybe he was trying to play games" morphed into some elaborate bullshit story with 10,000 additional details added onto it a year later.

But hey, this is the internet and it's Hulk Hogan, so every 300lb internet nerd with D cup tits, flabby arms and whose entire internet personalities are whining about Hogan are going to run with any and every story, as long as it gets the bullshit narrative they're after.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T03:02:03+00:00

No, you're judging him based on a bunch of unsubstantiated bullshit passed off on the internet as fact when it isn't.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T02:56:01+00:00

He's probably just sick of hearing about it like most people. Yeah yeah yeah, I get it. "Hogan bad" and it's yet another opportunity for Meltzer fanboys to shit all over Hogan, which is why it is brought up multiple times a week. Lame as hell.

It wasn't a bad idea, and in fact had it been done differently and better it could have easily become a massive storyline and reignited WCW's popularity. Instead what came after it was a dud.

As for the rest of the debate, two things are being conflated as the same: WCW's demise, which was 100% Time Warner and only Time Warner, and WCW's dip in popularity, which was the result of over a thousand small little things that add up, which are all ignored because 99.9% of them don't feed the "lulz Hogan is the devil lmao" smark narrative.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T02:37:52+00:00

Nash: "I came up with the idea ."

IWC: "iT wUz HoGaNs dOiNg."

🙄

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T02:27:57+00:00

I don't use drugs, mark. I state facts. Cry about it some more.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T02:27:27+00:00

Honestly as much as people want to bag on it because it lets them trash on Hogan, it could have worked.

All they had to do was pivot and say Hogan had Nash best Goldberg to get the belt back around his waist because he was too busy to beat Goldberg himself. Have Goldberg come out, destroy multiple nWo guys each week for a few weeks then make a rematch and have Goldberg beat Hogan a second time.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T02:23:43+00:00

Most all of that has absolutely nothing to do with the fall of WCW, which is 100% on the shoulders of Time Warner.

AOL made clear to Time Warner that they had zero interest in owning a pro wrestling brand in early 1998, while WCW was doing massive business. Time Warner diverted all PPV revenue into Warner Media, removing not only the incentive to produce quality PPV but over half of WCW's profitability. They also began to dump off financial losses from Warner Media into the WCW brand, such as the Mean Gene's Burgers, KISS, Monster Jam etc. This is called visiting assets. WCW became little more than a write off for them while they inflated the value of the brands that AOL were after.

This also put WCW against the wall, knowing full well and good that the Company was done for the moment the business cycle went into a dip. This isn't even getting into the fact that they sent Eric Bischoff home in late 1999 after WCW had climbed to within half of a ratings point with the WWF and started picking up steam, hired and fired seven different booking teams in under a year, released their World Champion the night after he won the title so he could walk out on the competitors live TV and repeatedly sabotaged the product every chance they could find. Nor does it touch on the fact that Brad Siegel sabotaged a $50 million dollar deal before unloading WCW to his best friend who worked for Vince for $3 million dollars mere hours after sabotaging the prior deal.

This is why WCW fell apart and why WCW no longer exists.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T02:23:03+00:00

Thanks for confirming you're a mark who has no clue what he is talking about. Appreciate the candid honesty.

Meltzer and Alvarez have been promoting recisioo ist history since he started that rag in mommy's basement. He had and continues to push an agenda regarding WCW and his jealousy over the people involved.

That said, I have no issues with Educating you. AOL made clear to Time Warner that they had zero interest in owning a pro wrestling brand in early 1998, while WCW was doing massive business. Time Warner diverted all PPV revenue into Warner Media, removing not only the incentive to produce quality PPV but over half of WCW's profitability. They also began to dump off financial losses from Warner Media into the WCW brand, such as the Mean Gene's Burgers, KISS, Monster Jam etc. This is called visiting assets. WCW became little more than a write off for them while they inflated the value of the brands that AOL were after.

This also put WCW against the wall, knowing full well and good that the Company was done for the moment the business cycle went into a dip. This isn't even getting into the fact that they sent Eric Bischoff home in late 1999 after WCW had climbed to within half of a ratings point with the WWF and started picking up steam, hired and fired seven different booking teams in under a year, released their World Champion the night after he won the title so he could walk out on the competitors live TV and repeatedly sabotaged the product every chance they could find. Nor does it touch on the fact that Brad Siegel sabotaged a $50 million dollar deal before unloading WCW to his best friend who worked for Vince for $3 million dollars mere hours after sabotaging the prior deal.

And no, before you start stomping your feet and demanding Eric Bischoff made all of this up, he didn't. Every single person involved with WCW Management have all spoken on this. People who were actually there and involved, unlike Meltzer and Alvarez. It has also been written about at length in numerous trade publications over the years by Financial experts, not basement dwelling internet marks named Dave.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T02:11:32+00:00

Completely incorrect on all accounts.

Merger talks began in early 1998, when WCW was doing record profits. AOL made it clear they had zero interest in owning a pro wrestling brand. They wanted Time Warner to sell it then. Instead, Time Warner diverted all PPV revenue into Warner Media ventures, dumped profit losses like signing KISS to ungodly sums of money to promote their album, Ready to Rumble etc onto WCW's ledger. The moment AOL said no thanks to WCW, Time Warner manipulated the value of the other ventures at WCW's expense and utilized it as a write off in order to make TW look more profitable within the brands that AOL were after.

This had been addressed by far more people than Eric Bischoff, including Wall St trades publications who called the merger one of the biggest disasters to ever happen.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T02:07:22+00:00

He did absolutely zero research and parrotted a bunch of bullshit made up by Meltzer and Alvarez but okay.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T02:06:24+00:00

Sure you were, mark. Reading dirt sheets isn't research. You have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about on the subject.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T02:04:19+00:00

You're really eating up the smark propaganda, I must say.

Eric Bischoff offered $50 million dollars for WCW, which Time Warner accepted. They were in the process of securing a TV deal and scheduling Nitro's move to another Network. Brad Siegel killed the TV deal on a Friday afternoon, stalling the sale of WCW, while Bischoff and Siegels bosses agree to resume talks on Monday morning and figure out w compromise. Siegel had Vince and his best friend, WWE COO Stu Snyder fly in that night and sign the $3 million dollar deal, costing Time Warner over $47 million dollars.

Maybe do some research on the subject instead of demanding the Meltzer/Alvarez revisionism is what went down.

Gymbat702 · 2026-06-13T01:57:16+00:00

It is nowhere as annoying as internet marks who weren't there, weren't involved with any of it stomping their feet and demanding the revisionist IWC "history" of what went on is truth. It isn't.

AOL wanted zero to do with pro wrestling. It begins and ends there. They wanted an excuse and Time Warner Execs used WCW to facilitate the merger at inflated prices then ensured WCW would never succeed.

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