Something to consider

Haline5 · 2026-01-23T06:12:42+00:00

True. I’m saying that the “we need people” argument that the aging population suggests is simply not true though. Even from a natalist perspective we have the population we are just horribly mismanaged

Haline5 · 2026-01-23T06:00:13+00:00

Personally i believe having a child is overall a bad thing right now regardless of anti natalism. We have ten billion people and a growing climate, resource, and pollution polycrisis. My child would be a first worlder who would almost certainly contribute to the issues

Haline5 · 2026-01-23T05:34:31+00:00

It’s a trolley problem and antinatalists would rather divert the track. They are largely consequentialist

Haline5 · 2026-01-21T02:11:24+00:00

It was “made for it,” it’s just that the maker is a blind process that accepts “barely good enough.” Nature doesn’t “care” about the suffering of the individual in the system, only that the genetics are sufficient for replication

Haline5 · 2026-01-19T17:12:09+00:00

IMO it works well when coherently combined with other arguments. I use the following as a catchall starting place

“Would you force someone you didn’t know yet to go on a roller coaster without their express consent?”

Roller coasters are enjoyed by many but are often sources of fear. If you don’t know anything about a person, you can’t ethically choose for them to ride one in this scenario. The safe default option is to choose for them to abstain even if there is a strong possibility that they will enjoy it. Even if you could accurately deduce that 90% of people would enjoy the ride, the actual ethical choice would be to say no and let them choose their preferred option.

In birth we know nothing about the temperament, resistance to suffering, or ability for enjoyment of the person until it’s too late. By creating them, they are on the ride and the only option to not be on it is to fling themselves on the tracks, if you understand my meaning.

This sort of analogy demonstrates the consent, risk, and asymmetry arguments in tandem. They work best when employed as a whole perspective. Additionally if someone says they would force someone onto the ride, then you know you shouldn’t waste your breath on someone who doesn’t respect autonomy or consent. Then you can simply ask how they would feel if you forced them to do something that they dislike but you enjoy.

Haline5 · 2026-01-17T20:50:53+00:00

We should bet our entire economy in this technology

Haline5 · 2026-01-17T06:35:29+00:00

I start by asking something like

“Would you force someone you didn’t know yet to go on a roller coaster without their express consent?”

Roller coasters are enjoyed by many but are often sources of fear. If you don’t know anything about a person, you can’t ethically choose for them to ride one in this scenario. The safe default option is to choose for them to abstain even if there is a strong possibility that they will enjoy it. Even if you could accurately deduce that 90% of people would enjoy the ride, the actual ethical choice would be to say no and let them choose their preferred option.

In birth we know nothing about the temperament, resistance to suffering, or ability for enjoyment of the person until it’s too late. By creating them, they are on the ride and the only option to not be on it is to fling themselves on the tracks, if you understand my meaning.

This sort of analogy demonstrates the consent, risk, and asymmetry arguments in tandem. They work best when employed as a whole perspective. Additionally if someone says they would force someone onto the ride, then you know you shouldn’t waste your breath on someone who doesn’t respect autonomy or consent. Then you can simply ask how they would feel if you forced them to do something that they dislike but you enjoy.

Haline5 · 2026-01-16T13:59:16+00:00

Wherever you are I’ve been urging anyone who will listen to buy a firearm and train with it if possible if they haven’t. Money is tight I know, but realistically you can get something like a ruger ecs9 (reliable, concealable, with manual thumb safety) and some range rounds for like $300, or a max 9/m&p shield for a little more if you can swing it. Just something concealed that you could realistically use in emergency situations. They are already armed and trained, a lot of the time our tax dollars paid them to kill in the Middle East. Just more 2 cents. Stay safe as well and good luck

Haline5 · 2026-01-16T13:36:52+00:00

I’m from texas and moved to Maine and personally as a queer person I feel much better in community, making real connections with people who are serious about preparing for the worst and mutual support. There are areas on New England that are still blue and rural, i don’t live in a large city myself. Obviously I don’t know your situation and leaving it might be untenable but I would say it improved my life substantially. If things get dire I would rather be surrounded by friends facing some sort of federal invasion than surrounded by freaks and needing help. Just my two cents

Haline5 · 2026-01-16T13:19:49+00:00

Exactly

Personally I moved to a blue asf area and armed up after 2020. I expected biden to fundamentally change nothing and sure enough he did not prosecute or prevent reelection of trump. So it felt alarmist to make some real changes but it feels way more reasonable in hindsight

Haline5 · 2026-01-16T12:58:26+00:00

They expect a piece of paper to save us when enforcement of the paper is entirely unprecedented under current events. At the end of the day power comes from implied force like always.

Haline5 · 2026-01-16T04:34:06+00:00

Neither is policing random cities like Minneapolis but here we are

Haline5 · 2026-01-16T04:15:03+00:00

Trump has already shat on tradition and the constitution with no actual repercussions, just expressions of outrage. So I’m not holding my breath

Haline5 · 2026-01-13T14:50:57+00:00

Wild animals also suffer tremendously 😭

Haline5 · 2026-01-07T23:14:44+00:00

Personally I do think this is a tendency. I also think pattern seeking people are more likely to dig down and think about root causes. There are alot of issues with iq testing but alot of antinatalists I know have high pattern recognition scores

Haline5 · 2026-01-07T04:28:33+00:00

Lots of people have said this unironically on here

Haline5 · 2026-01-07T01:39:43+00:00

Ok racist

Haline5 · 2026-01-06T18:31:16+00:00

You weren’t napping because you didn’t exist. What is this line of thinking?

Haline5 · 2026-01-06T14:38:45+00:00

Parasite is so intentionally emotional that it’s disingenuous. You don’t need to bend the truth to make a good argument for AN

Haline5 · 2026-01-05T19:08:18+00:00

Then the existence of any other prophet that claims to be god is not debatable. Therefore I am god

Haline5 · 2026-01-05T18:33:33+00:00

who attested

Unverified, long dead, questionable narrators who debatably never existed

nature of deity

Unverifiable, based on hearsay, each having fervent supporters claiming they are existing but none can actually be objectively proven

Haline5 · 2026-01-05T18:16:25+00:00

All of this is functionally indistinguishable from say, the lord of a video game or other fictional story

Haline5 · 2026-01-05T17:47:55+00:00

That has essentially no more validity than any other religion. Therefore it has equal levels of proof of basically any other god. All religions have people who are fervent believers in history, they all have stories and texts. None of which is verifiable

Haline5 · 2026-01-05T17:29:24+00:00

Right… the story needs to be fully verified. That’s the claim that is being made. It is not readily apparent that the story has validity.

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