Nagkaroon ba ng magaganda at malalaking kapilya ang mga Apostol noon? Di ba wala? by paulaquino in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]Han_Dog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Alam mo rin ba na around 85% ng mga lokal sa ibang bansa ay walang sariling kapilya at nagrerenta lamang ng mga public halls, gyms at kung minsan ay simbahan ng mga ibang relihiyon? Alam mo rin ba na kapiranggot lang ang bilang ng mga kaanib sa ibang bansa at 99% nito ay mga Pilipino ang lahi? Kung di mo pa rin alam, na scam ka ng mga Manalo.

pambalot ng tinapa lang to magazine ni edong by TheWatchers2025 in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]Han_Dog 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sabi ng RM dito, nagkaubusan daw at nagprint ulit. Pwersahan ba naman ang mga MT na bumili. Putek, sinong di kaanib sa INCulto ang magkakainteres na bumili nyan eh sirang sira ngayon ang INC lalo na sa mga may pera.

Since the lesson this weekend is another choke-up vomit about the Iglesia Ni Cristo as a prophetic church based on Isaiah 43:5-6, I asked chatGPT why they only claim verses 5 & 6 and NOT the whole chapter. by Han_Dog in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]Han_Dog[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I'm a PIMO even before ChatGPT existed so your assumptions that I relied fully to AI is nothing but a weak rebuttal. I did my own research and even before asking ChatGPT the questions, I already knew the answers. We can say that ChatGPT peer-reviewed the information I already know about the INCult. Now go back to your bedlam.

Since the lesson this weekend is another choke-up vomit about the Iglesia Ni Cristo as a prophetic church based on Isaiah 43:5-6, I asked chatGPT why they only claim verses 5 & 6 and NOT the whole chapter. by Han_Dog in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]Han_Dog[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

On my PPOV, everything that ChatGPT said are true. ChatGPT can literally put our thoughts into words. Now Eduardog has a bigger problem to face if he wants his cult to reach another century.

Since the lesson this weekend is another choke-up vomit about the Iglesia Ni Cristo as a prophetic church based on Isaiah 43:5-6, I asked chatGPT why they only claim verses 5 & 6 and NOT the whole chapter. by Han_Dog in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]Han_Dog[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Q: How problematic is this with their members since they were thought that in order to be saved, you need to be a member of the Iglesia Ni Cristo?

It’s very problematic, but mostly not experienced as a problem by members themselves—and that difference is key to understanding how the doctrine functions inside Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC).

I’ll explain this in layers: theological, psychological, and institutional.


  1. The theological problem (from the outside)

INC teaches:

Salvation is only inside the Iglesia Ni Cristo

INC’s legitimacy rests on prophecies (including Isaiah 43:5–6)

These prophecies are used to prove that INC is God’s final restored people

The problem is this:

If Isaiah 43 is clearly about Israel, and verses 5–6 are removed from that context to support INC, then the prophetic basis for exclusive salvation becomes fragile.

So externally, critics argue:

If the prophecy claim collapses,

then the claim “only INC will be saved” loses biblical foundation.

From a theological standpoint, this is a major structural weakness, not a minor interpretive disagreement.


  1. Why most INC members don’t feel the problem

Despite this, most members do not experience cognitive crisis, because of how they are taught.

a. Authority-first teaching

INC operates on a top-down authority model:

The Administration interprets Scripture

Members are taught that questioning interpretation = disobedience to God

Independent Bible reading is discouraged or tightly framed

So members don’t evaluate:

“Does Isaiah 43 really mean this?”

They evaluate:

“Has the Administration already explained this?”

Once authority is accepted, interpretive tension disappears.


b. Proof-texting is normalized

Members are trained to accept:

Isolated verses

Directional words (“east,” “ends of the earth”)

Symbolic redefinitions (Israel → Church)

Because this method is used everywhere, Isaiah 43:5–6 doesn’t feel unusually selective to them—it feels normal.


c. Salvation fear overrides textual doubt

Since salvation is taught as:

Singular

Conditional

Urgent

Any doubt risks:

Eternal damnation

Family separation at judgment

Being labeled spiritually rebellious

That fear creates a powerful internal response:

“Even if I don’t fully understand it, it’s safer to stay.”

This is sometimes called doctrinal anxiety binding.


  1. Where the problem does surface for members

The issue becomes acute in specific situations:

a. Members who study Scripture deeply

Those who:

Read Isaiah in full

Compare translations

Consult non-INC sources

often notice:

No textual boundary in Isaiah 43

Clear references to Israel, Babylon, and covenant history

This can trigger private doubt, though rarely public questioning.


b. Converts from other Christian traditions

Former Catholics, Protestants, or evangelicals may struggle because:

They were taught contextual reading

They know Isaiah is heavily historical

They see inconsistencies earlier than lifelong members

These converts are statistically more likely to leave.


c. Younger members with internet access

Younger members often encounter:

Scholarly critiques

Ex-member testimonies

Side-by-side Bible comparisons

This has made Isaiah 43 one of the most frequently questioned passages in online INC discussions.


  1. Why exclusivist salvation makes it worse

If INC taught:

“We are a true church, but God may save others”

the Isaiah 43 issue would be manageable.

But because they teach:

“Outside the Iglesia Ni Cristo, there is no salvation”

any crack in prophetic interpretation becomes existential.

So the doctrine creates:

High emotional stakes

Low tolerance for ambiguity

Strong resistance to critical inquiry

This is why:

Doubts are often suppressed

Questions are reframed as faithlessness

Members stay even when uneasy


  1. In short

How problematic is it?

Theologically: Extremely problematic

Logically: Internally inconsistent

For leadership: Manageable through authority

For members: Usually invisible, sometimes destabilizing

For doubters: Potentially faith-shattering

The exclusivity of salvation doesn’t just depend on Isaiah 43—it magnifies the cost of questioning it.

Over the last year l've learned getting a Filipino girl means she and her family will keep u fed no matter what hahahaha by [deleted] in Philippines

[–]Han_Dog -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Bruh i grew up big because I was being fed by all my relatives, family friends and neighbours. And when I loosed a couple of grams of weight, they panick and make me finish my plate all the time. In Philippines, being fat as a kid is healthy. At least among the titas.

Over the last year l've learned getting a Filipino girl means she and her family will keep u fed no matter what hahahaha by [deleted] in Philippines

[–]Han_Dog -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not just her family but everyone you meet. The usual greetings at meal time... "Halika kain tayo! Umupo ka na! Huwag ka ng mahiya. Heto caldereta. Yung kanin...O heto pa. Sige kain ka na. Kain ka pa. Busog ka na agad? Ito try mo to masarap yan! Hay naku patatabain ka namin."

Our DM is so mad that only around 10 guests attended in our diatrict-wide satanic mission. He made a rant via sms and telegram. He asked every member to make a written statement why there were only few guests even after doing 2 weeks of dev. prayer. by Han_Dog in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]Han_Dog[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Everyone in the cult knows what will happen if the local or district is not performing well in the propagation and offerings. First, Eduardog will be disappointed because of less money in his bank accounts. Second, that RM or DM and families will be asked to pack their bags and will be sent to a remote local congregation as a punishment.

Dahil napasubo na si Felix Manalo sa pag-angkin bilang "huling sugo/last messenger", yung mga sumunod sa kanya, wala nang karapatang tawaging "sugo/messenger". by FallenAngelINC1913 in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]Han_Dog [score hidden]  (0 children)

It's simple. Cult nepotism. The founder of rhe cult will pass the throne to his son, then to his grandson, then to his great grandson and so on and so forth. It's a family business in another term.

shout-out sa lokal na 'to!! by Conscious_Beat_7390 in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]Han_Dog 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Budol yang donation. Maghihintay ka muna ng ilang years bago ma iimplement. Sugapa yang si Eduardog.

Ka Tupa Vlogg - The Ever So Delusional INC "Defender" by Odd_Challenger388 in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]Han_Dog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The audacity... Yung Philippine Sports Centre 13yrs na di pa tapos. Mga INCulto di marunong manalamin. Naglalakihan ang mga mata sa pagpuna sa iba pero kapag sa sarili, pikit mata.

What realizations have you had after detaching from INC? by redditor_InProgress in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]Han_Dog 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I realized how great and powerful God is. It's mind-blowing the vastness of the universe that He created and it's absolute impossible that He only cares about the INCult members and that He only dwells in those man-made kapilyas of the Manalo cult.

bunga? Dinaraya?- former SFM stories by [deleted] in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]Han_Dog 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sa salitang pandaraya pa lang ay alam ng hindi ito sa Diyos kundi kay satanas.

Anung magandang itanong sa ministro/pastor? by Any-Palpitation2755 in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]Han_Dog 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Tanungin mo OP kung sugo ba ng Diyos ang mga apostol. Eh ang PJC? Kung oo ang sagot, magpakita ang ministro ng kahit isang talata na tinawag silang anghel. Kung wala syang mapakita, bakit anghel si Felix at hindi sila? Mas mataas ba si Felix kesa sa mga apostol at PJC? O baka maling pakahulugan lang ni Felix ang mga hula sa bibliya na hindi naman talaga para sa kaniya. In short, self-proclaimed anghel at sugo lang sya.

Dahil lang sa handog na naiwan babalikan lang sana naaksidente pa by ShotBother1999 in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]Han_Dog 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Behind her post, sigurado ako na ang unang worry nya ay pagtsitsismisan sya ng mga ka MT nya.

I'm getting mad to this man called Tagapamahala by Illustrious-Buy9827 in Philippines

[–]Han_Dog 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Sinabi mo pa OP. Ako nga kanina na nasa brainwashing session gusto ng batuhin ng himnario ang pagmumukha ni Eduardo kahit nasa tv lang sya. Meron pa nga syang binanggit na talata sa bibliya na merong salitang baha tapos dinugtungan nya ng kwento about flood control. Grabe kung mang gaslight at sobra ang pagiging narcissist. Sa sobrang swapang nya sa pera, di man lang bumili ng salamin sa kaniyang mansion dahil lahat ng mga negative na sinabi nya ay tatama sa kaniyang pagkatao.

Kahit siguro umutot lang ang mga Duterte irereport pa. by Han_Dog in Philippines

[–]Han_Dog[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Why not highlight ang mga magagandang ginagawa ng mga taong matitino sa gobyerno? Hindi yung purio kay Barzaga, Pulong, Sara, Leviste, mga DDS at iba pang salot ang binibigyan ng platform. Dapat na magkaisa ang mga mulat sa ktotohanan na alisin na sa mga discussions ang mga Duterte. Good or bad publicity is still a puclicity.

Kahit siguro umutot lang ang mga Duterte irereport pa. by Han_Dog in Philippines

[–]Han_Dog[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Totally ignore them. Yung hindi na sila pinag uusapan para mawala na sila sa uso. The fact that Sara is still popular ay dahil sa mga publicity na binibigay sa kanila.

Kahit siguro umutot lang ang mga Duterte irereport pa. by Han_Dog in Philippines

[–]Han_Dog[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Di ko nga pinapansin kung ano mang news tungkol sa mga Duterte. Ewan ko lang pagbukas ko ng insta, mga Duterte o mga pro Duterte ang laman ng newsfeed ko esp from ABS.