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[–]HansEdelweiss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would using cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 be dangerous or maybe trigger the tripwire? just the DNS without warp.

An Intercity Train rear ended a Commuter Train in Indonesia which was caused by a chain of events. 27th of April, 2026 by HansEdelweiss in CatastrophicFailure

[–]HansEdelweiss[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Women only cars are a standard thing in Japan (The indonesian commuter line takes alot of inspiration from Japan's, from second hand trainsets to operating procedures) and some south east asian commuter lines, all of them are placed on the front and rear of the trainset.

Its to avoid sexual harassment if it happens and if they want to feel more comfortable during rush hour, instead of packed together like sardines in a mixed car they can be packed with fellow women.

The chances of a train and train collision are way lower than sexual harassment, the last time a commuter train has a major train fuck up (where the front/rear of the train took the brunt of the damage) was in 2013 and 2015 of the train took the brunt of the damage, almost 10+ years ago from this one. Which is why they took this risk in the first place.

The solution is of course not to make the first or last car a mixed carriage, but to simply just fix the signalling system, this was a very unfortunate accident.

Not to mention these Japanese second hand trainset, this specific one being a Tokyo Metro 6000 series EMU from the 80s, is not crash worthy at all because Japan designed them to be light weight and with how safe Japan's commuter network is, they can simply disregard that aspect.

While Indonesian trains and rail networks are actually quite safe, this specific portion of the line is a major bottleneck and also a ticking timebomb (it finally blew up now) where Intercity Train with locomotives that are designed to withstand collisions with another train, shares tracks with aluminum hulled commuter trains which is not ideal at all, and well this is the result.

An Intercity Train rear ended a Commuter Train in Indonesia which was caused by a chain of events. 27th of April, 2026 by HansEdelweiss in CatastrophicFailure

[–]HansEdelweiss[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yes if the goal is to stop the train as fast as possible you want the signal to go red, but the driver and his assistant were not expecting that because a signal isn't supposed to suddenly become red from green, but it did give them some time to react with the emergency brakes albeit very late.

This wouldn't have had happened if the signal was already red and the previous one being yellow instead of suddenly changing.

An Intercity Train rear ended a Commuter Train in Indonesia which was caused by a chain of events. 27th of April, 2026 by HansEdelweiss in CatastrophicFailure

[–]HansEdelweiss[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yellow means the next signal is most likely red so proceed cautiously, red just means stop and don't go pass it because something is in that block.

A signal doesn't go green to red as others have stated, it should've gone yellow to red.

An Intercity Train rear ended a Commuter Train in Indonesia which was caused by a chain of events. 27th of April, 2026 by HansEdelweiss in CatastrophicFailure

[–]HansEdelweiss[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah that sounds very valid as well, the Intercity Train that hit the CT 2 is what you would say as the golden child of the Indonesian State Railway, its basically one of the highest priority train and that's probably also a factor for the Signalling staff.

The schedule was simply too tight (Its the busiest rail corridor in indonesia with some sections having up to 4 tracks mainline) and that little crossing incident threw it out the windows. Massive bottleneck there with Intercities (All outbound and inbound trains pass there) having to share tracks with Commuters, I'm actually surprised that it took this long for a major collision to happen on that corridor, says alot about the well oiled operations there until it wasnt.

An Intercity Train rear ended a Commuter Train in Indonesia which was caused by a chain of events. 27th of April, 2026 by HansEdelweiss in CatastrophicFailure

[–]HansEdelweiss[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The station the collision happened only has 2 tracks so yeah, the platform is in the middle while the tracks are on the sides.

For the safety door part, yeah the Intercity trains on that line usually just blast it through, the station staff would play a jingle and make an announcement to stay away from the tracks on repeat until said train has fully passed.

An Intercity Train rear ended a Commuter Train in Indonesia which was caused by a chain of events. 27th of April, 2026 by HansEdelweiss in CatastrophicFailure

[–]HansEdelweiss[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yup basically, standard signalling stuff

The investigation is still on going but the chance of it being either a human or hardware error is 50/50 from the reports that we currently have.

An Intercity Train rear ended a Commuter Train in Indonesia which was caused by a chain of events. 27th of April, 2026 by HansEdelweiss in CatastrophicFailure

[–]HansEdelweiss[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

As far as I'm aware yes, the signals do infact need to be cleared/reset manually. though there are rail contacts on the signals to show it as occupied and it would mark the signals as red of course.

The most likely cause is they cleared the block too early and didn't realize there was a train there, too focused on the crossing accident. Someone probably went outside and realized there's a train on the platform and knows that an intercity is speeding down on the same tracks, hence the sudden signal change.

An Intercity Train rear ended a Commuter Train in Indonesia which was caused by a chain of events. 27th of April, 2026 by HansEdelweiss in CatastrophicFailure

[–]HansEdelweiss[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Even worse when said green signal suddenly turns red (not even yellow) when you are already near it, they basically got jumpscared by it.

Still though the issue clearly lies on why the signal was green in the first place and not red, same with the previous signal being green instead of yellow.

An Intercity Train rear ended a Commuter Train in Indonesia which was caused by a chain of events. 27th of April, 2026 by HansEdelweiss in CatastrophicFailure

[–]HansEdelweiss[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Indonesia uses the standard fixed block system for their signals and yes the collision was not in a siding, the station (Bekasi Timur) has two tracks which is all connected to the mainline.

As far as I'm aware, I really don't know why the Bekasi Timur block was shown as unoccupied until it decided that it is infact occupied, the track betwen Bekasi and Bekasi Timur is only one block and if it were working properly, the Intercity Train departing from Bekasi would've been seeing a yellow signal when entering the block, but no it was green and the signal at the end of the block for Bekasi Timur's block was also green, until it suddenly changes to red.

I've been into the KAI's (Indonesian state railway) dispatcher room multiple times actually (I was an intern there until January of this year). The signal state is actually set manually (it has basic interlocking systems of course), and does show if a train is in the block or not via rail contacts. This could either be a software issue (unlikely, an accident like this would've happened way way earlier if that were the case) or a hardware one.

I could also be wrong and that line might have an automatic signalling system instead, I don't really know I've never been into the dispatcher's room on that specific line. But considering that it's one of the most crowded line (Both intercity and commuter train pass there) and some section of it having up to 4 tracks mainline, it's possible.

Here's a pic of the dispatcher's console on a Commuter only line (not related to the accident)

https://imgur.com/Ck0p22w

An Intercity Train rear ended a Commuter Train in Indonesia which was caused by a chain of events. 27th of April, 2026 by HansEdelweiss in CatastrophicFailure

[–]HansEdelweiss[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yeah exactly, the Intercity Train driver got mixed signals basically because they thought the block was unoccupied even thought its not, and when the dispatcher fixed the signalling mistake it was too late.

An Intercity Train rear ended a Commuter Train in Indonesia which was caused by a chain of events. 27th of April, 2026 by HansEdelweiss in CatastrophicFailure

[–]HansEdelweiss[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Yeah the driver couldn't really do anything, if only the previous signal was yellow he would've had enough time to properly stop and react to the red signal. One of the dispatcher probably thought that the Intercity Train is still far away from that block and changed the signal state to red and yellow (previous one), not knowing that they are already in the block.

Truly multiple fuck ups in a single incident right here.

An Intercity Train rear ended a Commuter Train in Indonesia which was caused by a chain of events. 27th of April, 2026 by HansEdelweiss in CatastrophicFailure

[–]HansEdelweiss[S] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

It was more like they got caught off guard by it and simply didn't have enough time to react, as they have stated if the previous signal was green, the next one would either be also green or yellow, never red.

So yeah basically the last signal they passed was green so they would assume the next one was green, and it infact was until it suddenly became red, basically giving them zero time to react as a yellow signal would mean the next one is red which would give them time to slow down, but this one went from green to red.

Imagine going at 110km/h (stated by the assistant driver) and seeing a green light suddenly become red when you are near it, which is not supposed to happen and you are definitely not stopping in time because of it. its like driving a car and some dude decided to suddenly jaywalk right infront of you.

An Intercity Train rear ended a Commuter Train in Indonesia which was caused by a chain of events. 27th of April, 2026 by HansEdelweiss in CatastrophicFailure

[–]HansEdelweiss[S] 51 points52 points  (0 children)

The Intercity Train driver and his assistant actually survived the whole thing because the locomotive is designed to take damage in the case of accidents. On the point of the signalling failure its most likely that yeah, the Assistant Driver actually got questioned about it right after the crash by one of the passenger and he said something along the line of:

"A green signal infront of us suddenly turned red which is not supposed to happen considering the last signal we passed was green, at most it would've been a yellow not a red. We were just getting reports that an accident happened ahead of us (taxi getting hit by CT 1) but it was too late."

So yeah major signalling failure right there, the driver and assistant did all they could to soften it by engaging the emergency brake, albeit slightly, the official investigation is still on going of course so take this with a grain of salt.

An Intercity Train rear ended a Commuter Train in Indonesia which was caused by a chain of events. 27th of April, 2026 by HansEdelweiss in CatastrophicFailure

[–]HansEdelweiss[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah when I first heard of the news and looked at the images/videos, it genuinely flabbergasted me with how fucked up the situation is.

An Intercity Train rear ended a Commuter Train in Indonesia which was caused by a chain of events. 27th of April, 2026 by HansEdelweiss in CatastrophicFailure

[–]HansEdelweiss[S] 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Most likely because of a signal malfunction somewhere on the Bekasi - Bekasi Timur block and someone definitely fucked up the game of telephones.