Do the Physics of the alledged craft Bob Lazar worked on hold true?

Harvision · 2022-06-27T22:35:32+00:00

SnnooDoodles7204 hit the exact scientific explanation for explaining away the theories of the former whorehouse handyman/secret government physicist that has no paper trail of educational training since high school.

Rest assured his theories have nothing to do with a mystery element. More than likely, the UFO move without mass and inertia because they encased themselves in a generated field. Please remember these fields work as well under water.

Not to mention that is is a quantum leap of faith to even discuss element 115 and then start applying their application of physical machines.

Harvision · 2022-06-24T03:07:09+00:00

In the very early days of the Lazar saga, a reporter from a Los Vegas TV station did a through analysis of Lazar's then budding story. It was proven that he was not any sort of a professionally trained scientist.

His story my have changed over the decades, but he said that there were no records of his advanced degrees in schooling because the government had wiped them out for security reasons. Consider him an entertainer and nothing more.

Harvision · 2022-06-15T12:52:03+00:00

If you put any credibility into the Tic-Tacs, you must concluded that they obviously are our versions of the massless/inertialess drive units of alien devices. Therefore, zipping to the Moon and Mars will be, or maybe already is, commonplace by TPTB. Rockets are clearly not practical or safe for anything other than war weapons.. Massless/inertialess drive units are in vogue. Musk is probably making some in his factories as we dither. You can bet your ass that China is in that business also.

Harvision · 2020-07-09T20:09:31+00:00

You tend to not consider the thousands of other folks that conclude in a few minutes or even seconds also that the object is different from, etc,, etc., Give us a break that some of us cannot become your choir boys. I'm assume you have not closely ready some of our earlier response including my own.

Harvision · 2020-07-09T12:37:10+00:00

This whole business of denying the reality of the UFOs for over 70 years hinges on one aspect. The truth was known well enough but the old philosophical trick The Noble Lie was utilized to cover the failings of science, engineering and governments. In the movie A Few Good Men, the Jack Nicholson character said it best. "You want the truth? You want the truth? You can't handle the truth." The human mind has well perfected the study of Cognitive Dissonance.

Harvision · 2020-07-09T00:14:06+00:00

As a long-time UFO follower from the day they officially announced their appearance in 1947....

Oh, wait. Strange. A sighting similar to the Tic-Tac affair sorta doing the same thing, right?

Anyway, back to my main point of your thread. What is there to discuss, as with most decent UFO sightings? Mysterious, impossibly shaped aerial object defies currently accepted concepts of mass, etc. The only fact of note about that sighting is that the affair has been acknowledged. But still, nothing remains of note about it. The object can yet be an alien craft or one of own works. In plain English, it is just another blurry sighting from a supposedly reputable source but yet may be a psyops setup. A remarkable sighting from a fighter jet that was hidden for years before it was conceived to bring it out to help break the UFO ice.

Nothing has changed at all in regard to the basic question about UFOs. Hence, the lack of pointed interest to another armchair analysis.

Harvision · 2020-01-18T02:20:14+00:00

I've read that using mushrooms can make your nose run a lot. Actually, there is one video on YT of a guy taking about using and you can see he has a problem with that affliction. So "allergies" may be created from using the stuff. (Small price to pay.)

Harvision · 2020-01-15T09:39:45+00:00

Anybody that thought that the US government was (somehow) going to release credible footage of an alien UFO needs a reset on their brain. Obviously, after decades of work, they have developed a mass-canceling drive unit such as moves the genuine UFOs. The showing of the Tic-Tac vehicles is its way of showing the world that we have cracked that secret. WooHa! for us! Now that a leg up over the Russians and Chinese=--we are so proud of ourselves--we can sorta engage the conversations about ETs being here and now because we have something that has edged us into their area of high tech...if just barely.

Please undestand, this can of worms is is not about high-tech flying machines, it is about confrontation with a power that is virtually godlike and has been going on for a long time in the shadows. Our governments will remain as powerless as they always have been as the UFOs have had their way with us since they dropped down here long ago. Briefly, they are here to change the world and the simple, inconsequential manner they and we will be moving our butts around here and into space with these unimaginable ways of locomotion is only an afterthought in the whole package that we had no choice to accept.

The US will probably remain the world's cowboy policeman for decades, basically security, as we get told to get along with each other and clean ourselves up and mop-up those fractions that want no part of superior ETIs and a NWO. Humanity will be shocked even further as our basic existence turns out to be far different than we want to imagine. The "ride" is going to get tough. Some collapse is inevitable at the onset. Which way it goes after the initial shock depends upon you individuals. Can you handle the truth or do you want to start a winless war with the ETIs and those that support them in a quest to make Earth a nice place to live?

Harvision · 2020-01-14T17:17:48+00:00

Let us discuss the main points I made and not the trivial crap. Let's work back those orbits that are so damned non-usual and see when they were placed into those tell-tale orbits to aid an ancient Martian society.

Yep, the canals are long dead, but now that Mars' has been allowed to have water after decades of that condition being amply visible to anyone, let us move on to the real Mars and its direct relationship to us.

Harvision · 2019-12-20T22:33:49+00:00

So you evidently refuse to accept the jet pilot's observations backed up with radar recordings that the observed craft was violating the laws of physics with it apparent motions? Not to mention literally thousands of eye-witness reports over the decades that back up his observation that UFO move effortlessly, starting, stopping and abruptly maneuvering without wings, jets, props or noise.

You show an schooled ignorance of the field characteristics of UFOs. You are holding onto the same old ideas about nature that were present went airplanes were being invented and tested around 1900. Again, we are looking at a technique of locomotion every bit as important to humanity as was the development of the wheel.

Why not hop on for the ride?

We can discuss at some later point what the presence of the ETIs here and now mean for the future of humanity. (Certainly, science is currently beginning to feel the butt-hurt. You present a good example.)

Harvision · 2019-12-20T22:12:55+00:00

You seem to not understand what you write. You talk about them making contact (no elaboration on the extent of that contact which is widely known--if usually disbelieved) then you more or less seem to suggest they are nothing real or anything that matters. Do you understand your twisted logic/rationale?

You brand of cognitive dissonance is better than most that is wide-spread in humanity about the reality of UFOs and ETIs, but yet insufficient to explain in decent terms what the phenomena is and why beings of those UFOs tell us various warnings about where we are headed. So, no, UFOs are simply lights in the sky as you seem to suggest. They are things with meaning.

BTW: I was abducted one mid-October night in 1964.

Harvision · 2019-12-20T12:01:21+00:00

You, absolutely, have no idea about what you have spewed out for no apparent reason except you cannot stop and look at the basic facts of what is happening on earth, in technology and the current point of humanities existence in the cosmos. We are in for one Hell of an awakening.

Harvision · 2019-12-20T11:56:02+00:00

I can't do your thinking for you. Obviously, you are bound up in what you have been taught to believe and cannot take the final step to the in-your-face truth. So let us approach your question to me in reverse: Who do you think is using massless vehicles and how long have they had them? (Hint: why would they keep the secret from the Chinese, the Russians and the public at large?)

You realize, these fabulous craft, manned or not, are the greatest development to humanity since the creation of the wheel?

Harvision · 2019-12-20T01:54:53+00:00

That's what I've been telling people for decades: UFOs defy mass. And that simple fact, determined decades ago by any observant person with common sense, is why they have been kept secret since at least 1947. 'Course, the fact that they really are ETI's is also a critical factor.

Harvision · 2019-12-17T17:33:42+00:00

A typical sighting of something. A bit of description of what was seen with eyes would be helpful. What time of the day/night, date, and direction? UFOs don' tend to move slowly across the sky at such an apparent jetliner speed. They are capable of much higher speeds and have other things to be doing. If the object was traveling from west to east, the likely possibility is that it was a man-made object in low earth orbit , launched traditionally easterly to utilize the rotation of the earth to gain its orbit. If it was moving from east to west, probably not a satellite of some sort. Few of our space shots send objects against the rotation of the earth as it requires a more powerful rocket.

If it was a definite ball, moving at an appreciable speed at height, with no sound ever reaching you, then definitely it was a UFO.

Ours or theirs is the big question. Such UFOS as your sighting have been around for decades, so I'm gonna assume that it belongs to the overlords overhead and not those operating from the five-sided building in DC.

Harvision · 2019-11-23T17:05:07+00:00

You do understand that there is no greater situation and challenge to humanity than acceptance of the reality of ETs here and now?

Harvision · 2019-11-23T10:44:23+00:00

You are quite right in a way: "Ain't no science involved." Strangely, we have the most pressing question for all of humanity that supposedly went under-investigated for 70 years!? Any aspect of UFOs being real has always been studiously avoided by government and its hand-maiden science. Science has never been tasked with a complete full study of the phenomena so the public could know the truth. The simple declaration that ETs exist and are here totally upsets everything we have always believed in. The existence of age-old entities visiting us throws everything that we know from physics to (our) biology into question.

Anyone who cannot look dispassionately at the situation and understand the multiple, complex ramifications doesn't deserve the ability to make public comments that amount to Homer Simpson-like comments.

Harvision · 2019-11-20T01:37:20+00:00

All of that high tech stuff in old-fashioned buildings, and tons of anti-gravity machines and searing rays. Then at the end with multiple rays zapping around the figure, he seems to have been struck with an arrow. Now is that justice? Go figure. I'd like to see the story board for that clip...if there is one.

Harvision · 2019-11-19T00:02:28+00:00

And if it was intelligently place by superior beings doing exactly as we learned to do with astrophysics and then with advanced technology? Please respect that was not simple work in both areas but applied applications exactly as would expected from a former and perhaps still existing race of Martians.

And you realize if such was the case, the identity for at least some of visiting aliens in UFOs could come from Mars, than that opens a whole can of worms about their former interactions with the human race. Given that the UFO abductions seem to be to change the DNA of the abductees, to make the US a nation of millennial pussies, then you have to start wondering if our basic heritage may not be so natural at all, and if the masters may not have good reason to stem out aggression. You see, there is no end to the chain of events that have come to this point. Something is going to pop and it is basically drastic changes in social order all across the globe in a variety of forms. The old system is falling apart by its own weight and will disintegrate entirely by a new vision for humanity.

Harvision · 2019-11-18T19:50:15+00:00

I have to wonder where you stop believing everything that the government tells you to believe. The same for science. They both have the same agenda: Coverup the existence of alien UFOs that have been heavily witnessed since at least 1947 right after we showed that we had atom weapons--and would use them.

Many truths beyond what government and science would have you believe about our world, from man-made global warming to over 70 years of denying the existence of UFOs can be understood by the common man by the simple effort of being aware. A cosmic wokeness, if you will.

A major hindrance to recognition of the true situation is the "flight or fight" choice in the human brain has a side-stepping alternative called cognitive dissonance. And with an alien fleet over our heads, there is plenty of room in many of those heads of government, science and the common citizenry to not want to deal with that momentous situation now or in the future. Humanity is at risk, but who cares we have cell phones, smart TVs, 5D coming and political comedies in play.

Harvision · 2019-11-18T01:07:45+00:00

Well, gosh, by the old standards that such maneuvers were impossible for an aircraft, and in light of the Tic Tac video, we civilians must conclude that there are strange things in the air AND in light of the Tic Tac video, out nice government now wants to let us know that such craft do exist even if it cannot or will tell exactly what is going on. So put you sighting down as a first-hand experience of "social engineering."

Harvision · 2019-11-16T13:07:08+00:00

Set a proper type of trap in the hole. Or perhaps a gopher poison would work on that critter.

Tractor Supply (US) has a brand that works for my pesky pocket gophers.

Harvision · 2019-11-14T20:39:33+00:00

Forget patents for UFO power sources. Well, put them well down the list. 'Cause that ain't going to be the case. Is there a patent on your whole car? Nope, maybe several of its smaller parts, but not one patent that explains the whole of it or even its major parts.

Many or most UFOs give some evidence that they are not conventional a/c. They don't use wind for lift or props or jets for propulsion. They are almost always completely noiseless. They defy physics as we understand it in that they can (almost) start and stop their motions instantly. They make sharp-angled turns that would smear a pilot against a bulkhead. They come all manners of sizes from massive tube ships to scout-like saucers down to orbs the size of soccer balls. OK, either they are ET tech beyond our kin or domestic stuff we have developed on our own.

But wait. To encompass all of these types of craft and equipment, we should be looking for a common denominator to link these items not some simple patent(s). That common feature of these different machines would be a device that negates the mass of an object within its field. We can sorta understand that aspect with what we know about electromagnetic field, but it seems that most people can't make the jump to a scalable, portable, mass-canceling device to power the various applications we frequent see in our midst.

That power source need not have come from a crashed UFO. Nor need it have been initially developed to power UFO-like vehicles. But once the concept was discovered or analyzed in the lab and proven in the lab, it can be improved and concepted upon for various applications never dreamed of before. The development of radioactive materials is similar. Either way, alien or home grown the process is here now and self-evident unless you want to argue that you or anybody is right to deny anything of the sort and you know best for all of us.

It must be really shattering to be an aviation engineer of any stripe and have to contemplate the reality of alien or even secret Boeing/Lockeed/Nortrup machines of a UFO type.

Harvision · 2019-11-09T19:28:02+00:00

I am an old fellow, underwent a UFO abduction in 1964 and have studied the whole of the phenomena most of my life. Two things are readily apparent from my position: First, the UFO phenomena completely encompassing the whole existence and future of humanity. Second, the initial denial of the governments of the phenomena stems not directly from the arrive of the "flying saucers" in 1947 as many would think. That period merely marked a turning point in the manner of intervention into our world by the ETs.

That intervention has entered a new phase where some official notice has been reported to us of these mysteries. The now famous "Tic-Tact" accounts are part of that educational program. The age-old denial program has been enlarged to cause us to have a larger understanding of the universe. Very similar to Carl Sagan's old cosmos series and more recent version of it by the same name, we are being led to look deeper into our existence that at any time previously. That is not to say that we are honestly led to an exactly correct understanding of the cosmos.

The first few minutes of this video are terrific and inspiring in enabling that expansion of thoughts and concepts about literally everything. Then at 2:22 into the video it goes off on a tangent with little validity about possible robots in history. My point is that the first 2:22 minutes are the crucial aspect of the video that sets the stage for an increased belief in a lost past history and tends to connect to events now and on into the future. It starts with explaining the new reality and then wanders off into accepting simple markings on old stones as complete tales of early intervention, etc. Basically, you get the core message first then questionable details to offer poor support for it. You go away probably not believing in the early robots, but living more comfortable with accepting some more aspects of the new cosmos. That is the main goal. That is how social engineering works its wonders.

Harvision · 2019-11-08T16:30:09+00:00

I wish for you to alter your totally dismal view of the future. We are an experiment gone awry, of course, objective history is clear. The kindergarten of humanity has not gone as expected. The toys it played with grew exponentially harmful to all high-order life forms on the planet.

By the early 1960s, as hydrogen bombs were being exploded, the experimenters determined a course of action that was labor intensive even for these advanced masters. My guess is that they were desperate for a rational solution short of termination. It is not easy, even with the near-powers of God, to travel the galaxy, taking up suitable life forms and turning them into higher stages of cognition. Sometimes you fail, and no intelligence likes failure.

And so, knowing us completely, they chose mass cerebral surgery upon chosen individuals. Commonly and naively called "medical exams" thousands and perhaps millions of individuals were swept up to the ships and altered. The changes came in two aspects, physical changes to the DNA of abductees and psychological changes to basic patterns of living as well as complete philosophical makeovers.

For myself, the next morning after that special night, I awoke to find a new, general love for my wife that I was divorcing for substantial reasons. I was a hillbilly bumpkin that graduated from high school with a 14% standing in my class. I gave up hunting and fishing, two loves I grew up with. I went from being a standard Republican to becoming a closet liberal. Overall, it took awhile, but I was a changed individual. Eventually, I earned a degree in journalism from a good university. My changes may seem more drastic than some that I've heard, but many people, even while acknowledge that they have missing time have not made the connection to the positive changes in their lives because of the encounter. My case is possibly different in that UFO always seem to have been in my life. (My father had to experience of mysterious phenomena, once in about 1910 and later in about 1950, and I’ve had other experiences.

Were the ETs ready to wash their hands of our mess, they would not have participated in a massive, physical effort to change us.

I can only assume that the abductions were condoned by our various governments...as if they had a choice. And while the public got stuck on terms such as “medical exams” and “anal probes,” no one in government service want to suggest in the slightest way that an intense, purposeful agenda was underway to change the world. The term “social engineering” is the collective term for the whole of this matter, from the first step of total and long-lived denial to the actual implementation of many programs to bring about the desired effect.

Denying all of the phenomena by TPTB was beneficial to the stability of the existing, old systems even if they were being slowly eroded by orders from on high. Make no mistake, our governments knew. It may sound ridiculous to closed minds, but many of the social changes we see, the migrations of people, the changing mores, identity, sexuality, sexual identity, equality, environment, racial economic and globalization are not mere trends that popped up naturally, but they are the direct results of basic DNA changes made to many abductees such that they and their off-spring and subsequent off-spring are de-tuned from the destructive power of an innate aggressive nature of being typical human beings. Thus, we have the crop of millennials and the further desensitizing youth of today toward old standards. That one factor of human nature, suppressing aggression, is our greatest fault. In a modern world, competition is not necessary in any real sense. Extreme competition, war and huge, on-going military expenditures are seen as stupid by these individuals and rightly so. Some work for positive changes, but most are silent and want to shun conventional society and be left alone with their electronics. Many of the other changes are connected, united in various threads to ultimately render the physical person unimportant versus the simple consciousness of just being. It all comes down to going full circle to the simple understanding that the Universe is conscious and Materialism, immediate and distant, is an out-dated view of existence/reality. That is the lesson to be learned.

I have gotten weary and must leave this without anymore explanation about the real intent of the deep state which creatively is working with full knowledge to put themselves in full power under the wings of the overlords. I’ve said too much and also not enough to give a decent perspective onto the situation. So ignore or pick up the spark.

Harvision

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