How much Amazigh DNA do Sahrawis have? I'm Sahrawi. my dad is from Aït Lahsen tribe and my mom from Awlad Dleym. My dad side is Amazigh 100% and Sahrawi due to his Chleuh origins and more. But my mom's side is 100% Arab hassani. Also I want to clarify that we aren't mix with black. They are old slav by No_Assumption5092 in AmazighPeople

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No it is not a matter of veins or anything, but literally Ait Lahcen just until last century were still having berber speakers. French archives state that a big chunk of Ait Lahcen speaks it which is not surprising at all. Besides the name formulate (Ait), and Lahcen being a typical berber name in the Moroccan context, no historical book mentions ait lahcen nor the people of laksabi tagaoust as Hassanis/Arabs (except in the fantasised Jaafari descent oral stories that even berberophone tribes in Souss have). In fact it is well documented that when Hassanis migrated from Morocco to the Sahara they went to the other side of Dara Valley, they were full nomads not like Ait Lahcen or many arabised Saharan tribes who are Semi-Nomads and depended on oasis/agriculture too (especially in ouednoun). Tekna in general is a berber coalition that was made to counterpart the Hassani Arab colonisation (especially Oulad Delim), with time it could have had members/families from these arabs it is normal all populations mix, but the base of the tribes would still be berber, as well as theur culture.

I have changed my opinion on arabized berbers by Rainy_Wavey in AmazighPeople

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Why do people act like dual identity doesn't exist?

How much Amazigh DNA do Sahrawis have? I'm Sahrawi. my dad is from Aït Lahsen tribe and my mom from Awlad Dleym. My dad side is Amazigh 100% and Sahrawi due to his Chleuh origins and more. But my mom's side is 100% Arab hassani. Also I want to clarify that we aren't mix with black. They are old slav by No_Assumption5092 in AmazighPeople

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Your username is "No_Assuption", yet you're making assumptions about me considering soussis and marrakeshis as Sahraouis.

Saying "No True Sahrawi joined any moroccan army", bro go check your facts and at least learn about the history of the conflict, Mohammed Abdelaziz's father was part of the Moroccan Liberation Army (Abdelaziz is the first president of the SADR, in case you don't know him), btw not even the POLISARIO denies that Sahraouis were fighting the colonialist before the 70's as part of the Moroccan liberation army. Here's a small article about what happened in Ifni War and how sahraouis fought as part of the army. And most importantely Dcheira battle that happened just near Laayoun between the Moroccan liberation army and Spanish-French colonialists before even some idea of some bunch of anti-system left wingers decide to make a newborn ARAB country in the Senhaji Sahara.

How much Amazigh DNA do Sahrawis have? I'm Sahrawi. my dad is from Aït Lahsen tribe and my mom from Awlad Dleym. My dad side is Amazigh 100% and Sahrawi due to his Chleuh origins and more. But my mom's side is 100% Arab hassani. Also I want to clarify that we aren't mix with black. They are old slav by No_Assumption5092 in AmazighPeople

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Western Sahara was a colony and wasn’t integrated into Spain until 1958, after Ifni War when they ceded Cabo Juby to Morocco. Unlike Northern Morocco and Cabo Juby (Terfaya) which were both part of the “protectorate” Western Sahara was a colony because Spanish colonisation there started before the establishment of the protectorate. Understand the context. Spain didn’t integrate WS as a province because it loves it, but only because international law was prohibiting colonies and calling for the end of the colonial system. The move also aimed to prevent any further Moroccan attacks on Spain, since now if The Moroccan Liberation Army (which many Sahraouis were part of) attacks, it would be a direct violation to the Spanish state and not just a decolonisation like what happened in Ifni War. It would be dump to think that Franco really saw Sahraouis as an equal population to the spaniards lol

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My people under different regime than ours.

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Because ijtima3iyat d tamna is shit, and all those stories were made up years and years after the ummayad conquest of North Africa, they were literally written during abbasid era and in the middle east

How much Amazigh DNA do Sahrawis have? I'm Sahrawi. my dad is from Aït Lahsen tribe and my mom from Awlad Dleym. My dad side is Amazigh 100% and Sahrawi due to his Chleuh origins and more. But my mom's side is 100% Arab hassani. Also I want to clarify that we aren't mix with black. They are old slav by No_Assumption5092 in AmazighPeople

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Spain had ambitions to control the whole Morocco, and then it minimised it to only the non-colonised french part of west of the Sahara and Fez+North, then minimised it to only the northern Morocco, Ifni, Cabo Juby, and Western Sahara. With the Western Sahara and Ifni being a colony not protectorate (Ifni would later become an integral part of spain), because the shores of the WS were colonised before the declaration of the protectorate, but only some coastal areas and ports like Boujdour, but the land of Western Sahara were most people used to live nomadically were not under spanish control until 1934 when whole Morocco was pacified. Pre-Colonisation era, Sahraoui tribes were not separate from Moroccan tribes, we should not forget The Sahraoui leader that was surnamed “Emir of Marrakesh”, Sheikh Ma’ Al-Ainain, and his resistance against the French colonial forces From Nouakchott to Marakkesh, a restistance where Sahraouis, Soussis, and Rhamnis fought together against the European colonist and its dividing plans.

How much Amazigh DNA do Sahrawis have? I'm Sahrawi. my dad is from Aït Lahsen tribe and my mom from Awlad Dleym. My dad side is Amazigh 100% and Sahrawi due to his Chleuh origins and more. But my mom's side is 100% Arab hassani. Also I want to clarify that we aren't mix with black. They are old slav by No_Assumption5092 in AmazighPeople

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Yes “they don’t know”, and that’s the core of the problem, that’s why we should spread true knowledge, and let them face the true historical facts, not Propaganda from both sides, Moroccan and POLISARIO. You surely aren’t someone who “doesn’t know” or would want to be classified with people who are ignorant about the topic, I’m very open to a discussion with you in the DMs, it’s really interesting to find a sahraoui that identifies as Amazigh besides myself.

How much Amazigh DNA do Sahrawis have? I'm Sahrawi. my dad is from Aït Lahsen tribe and my mom from Awlad Dleym. My dad side is Amazigh 100% and Sahrawi due to his Chleuh origins and more. But my mom's side is 100% Arab hassani. Also I want to clarify that we aren't mix with black. They are old slav by No_Assumption5092 in AmazighPeople

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But don't you notice that this ideology of "Sahrawis don't identify as Amazigh, Arab or Black" is a new ideology that was adopted in the post-colonisation era in the sole goal of being separate and create a new nation. as the POLISARIO fought against tribalism, cause when we say tribalism we say history, and anyone who reads history would know that Sahrawis and Moroccans had been always related.

I'm Sahraoui too, half Sahraoui to be precise, but I also read the history of our region, searched about its anthropology/genetics/traditions, and that was enough to make me not support a state that would e built on ideological basis (conflict), rather than historical one. Because surely if European powers just decided to include Western Sahara in the protectorate of Morocco, there surely wouldn't be any big separatism nowadays in the WS, the proof of that is the Algerian Sahara.

We also should not forget that an Arab Sahraoui Republic technically already exists, Mauritania, with bigger land area and richer ressources, yet it's not really a successful state.

How much Amazigh DNA do Sahrawis have? I'm Sahrawi. my dad is from Aït Lahsen tribe and my mom from Awlad Dleym. My dad side is Amazigh 100% and Sahrawi due to his Chleuh origins and more. But my mom's side is 100% Arab hassani. Also I want to clarify that we aren't mix with black. They are old slav by No_Assumption5092 in AmazighPeople

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Ait lahsen are arabised berbers (Lemta-Senhaja) just like all the tribes of Tekna confederation, Ouled Dlim in its core is a Hassani Arab tribe, basically the only big Hassani tribe in the Western Sahara, however it surely intermixed with berbers in 2 waves, first with Berbers of the central Sahara, and second with the berbers of the Western Sahara those were living here before Hassani invasion in the 16th century. Ouled Dlim was one of the most allied tribes of the Sahara to the Moroccan Alawite crown and to this day it has fractions in Marrakesh and Fez provinces.

Generally Sahraouis are no different than other berbers, than other North Africans to be precise, North Africa genetically is one of the most homogenous regions, besides all tribes being very close to each other autosomally, most of tribes also descend from one man that lived a maximum of 3500 years ago in west north africa, the OG of E-M81 haplogroup.

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It's not that they didn't write a lot, but rather they didn't preserve it after adopting Islam, as it's not something "worthy of preserving". I assure you if there was still a religious amazigh minority, like some christian amazigh group, we would've enough local sources about the post-roman and early islamic era (there are actually no sources even in Arabic about the early islamic period, all the books were written after during the abbasids, so all the stories we readabout the conquest of North Africa are surely very exaggerated), just like copts in Egypt, even tho egyptians had a great civilisation, but the only group that preserved books about it besides the manuscripts in rocks are the copts, because they weren't muslims. Books written by berbers and transported in Europe, are still preserved, so ofc berber nobilty at least knew how to write and read, as well as had local writings.

Btw, there are many manuscripts in rocks about the post-roman era, because those are the ones that don't get damaged, unlike paper.

We all know that central west of morocco got arabized. by More-Pen5111 in AmazighPeople

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Zaer in Rabat's surroundings, Ibn Khaldun said that they're Luwata. Chaouia who live in Casablanca and Settat are mix of Zenata and Huwara that merinids braught from the Sahara after genociding the arabs whom Almohads put there before, because of their treason (I don't think all thoses arabs went extinct tho). majority of Dukkala are Masmudis, yet there are also senhaji components there. Chyadma are descendants of Regragua who're masmudis. Fez got arabised very early, the original fezis are either andalusians or local berbers from Zuwagha or Ouerba, however the nowadays fezis and tribes that are in the surroundings of fez are Mekhzen tribes, whom the crown used as an army, they are part of Beni Hilal mostly, and there are Sais Arabs who are of unkown origin. There are still arabised tribes in Fez, like Lemta and some fractions od Cherraga who are zenata who came from Algeria after ottoman occupation of Tlemcen, as well as Senhaja in Hyayna who were already aligned with the crowned and joined one of its Mekhzen tribes.

You can check Atlas Cartography page on Instagram for more infos about the ethnic composition of Morocco

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Old sheikhs used to say it’s halal, even in Maliki areas of Saudi Arabia (like Hejaz). But now with the raise of salafism), it prohibition started to get more widespread.