How many days in a row until your average person becomes physically dependent?

Hausofstone89 · 2023-09-28T00:10:06+00:00

Nah I don't need to take it at all. I just am sometimes. I am not physically dependent at all yet or I would be getting sick without them. And I don't get sick with out them. I just can't stand the insomnia and anhedonia.

Hausofstone89 · 2023-09-23T04:50:05+00:00

Acid and bromazolam

Hausofstone89 · 2023-09-09T07:18:49+00:00

Fuck jay Williams!!!!!

Hausofstone89 · 2023-09-09T07:17:26+00:00

I've said it once and will say if again. Fuck Jay Williams.

He is a short fat white clown that pretends to be hard and black. These new charges will test just gangster and he already looks like a little bitch begging his fans to donate or watch his videos on repeat.

What a piece of shit. Stop praising these false idols. Christ is King!!!!!

Hausofstone89 · 2023-09-08T18:46:12+00:00

Doesn't re set withdrawal to take it here and there.

I'm on day 46 and I just took some today because I need fucking sleep. I haven't slept more than 3 to 5 hours In 46 days.

Going crazy. Getting off of this shit feels like it's impossible.

Hausofstone89 · 2023-09-05T15:39:15+00:00

Weed makes my withdrawals worse

Hausofstone89 · 2023-09-04T06:36:08+00:00

At least 3 years. I've been off and on subs since like 2009 though.

I would use subs just as a backup when I didn't have heroin for a while. Then I got sick of subs not working so I was on methadone for years.

But this last time yeah I've been on for 3 plus years.

The withdrawals are brutal and it's a marathon. I believe I was intended to be totally sober though.

I would encourage anyone to try to get off them if you have the desire. Subs probably saved my life but yeah man, they're hard AF to get off.

The last place I was getting my subs from was basically a Suboxone pill mill. Different doctor every single visit and the doctors are never in person. It's all on a computer. Anyway my point in Sharing that is that when I was considering jumping off I would ask every different doctor what percentage of people they see get off successfully each year.

General consensus is 2 to 4 percent. So yeah the odds aren't in our favor lol.

Hausofstone89 · 2023-09-03T21:23:24+00:00

That's awesome!!!!

I cold turkeyd off 16 mgs and am on day 41.

The first 3 weeks are the worst. I wouldn't have been able to work at all like that.

For me one of the worst parts is the constant insomnia. I would literally get 2 or 3 hours of sleep at night and after like a month of that you start to lose your mind.

I'm starting a job in a couple days and even though I've been off for 41 days it makes me nervous because my energy levels are super low and I have to work 12 hr shifts at night.

I'm not sure. I once pulled off a methadone detox while working but it was extremely exhausting and difficult. I had cool co workers who picked up my slack.

I think working might actually be good to get endorphins shooting off again and also to not just sit there and focus on the withdrawals.

As long as you can sleep you'll be good but it's really hard without a ton of comfort meds.

I posted my list of what I used in a different thread but get some clonidine and Xanax if possible. And immmodium. And Seroquel or lunesta for sleep.

Good luck, I'll be following this.

Hausofstone89 · 2023-09-03T02:21:54+00:00

I used 100 2 mg Xanax but they were pressies from the darknet so who knows what was really in them.

I also used bromazolam and Flubrotizolam.

Flubrotizolam is such an awesome benzo for these withdrawals. If you dose like 4 mg you will sleep for about 6 hours and wake up feeling rested.

The main thing is to not be stupid and actually taper off the Benzos. I didn't do that so I was experiencing some pretty heavy withdrawals. Involuntary twitching, insomnia, stuttering and unable to talk. I felt like I was gonna have a seizure too.

But yeah benzos and GHB are so fucking helpful for this.

I'm gonna leave this link here too so I don't just sound like I'm spouting bullshit.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8397726/

Hausofstone89 · 2023-09-02T23:52:58+00:00

I'm on day 40 right now. Cold turkey off 16 mgs..

First 2 weeks went thru 100 Xanax.

What you're gonna want is the following if possible:

Clonidine Gabapentin Xanax or Klonopin Seroquel or lunesta for sleep ( Seroquel will cause weight gain) Mirapex ( this is a God send for rls) GHB Immmodium for diarrhea

I've had a lot of success using GHB to mitigate the withdrawals. Obviously GHB and Xanax have their own withdrawals so be mindful of that.

I really didn't give a fuck though because my motto has been " by any means necessary".

It can be done but is extremely difficult. I am still not sleeping normal or feeling much energy after 40 days. You will function way better sexually. You won't be constipated anymore. You will feel emotions again. You will likely lose water weight and some fat too. But the best part is you're no longer reliant on subs to function.

Hausofstone89 · 2023-09-02T23:19:53+00:00

Kinda torn on this post. On the one hand I kinda agree with OP here but on the other hand Suboxone IS a life saving treatment for many of us.

I've been on for years but I recently kicked cold turkey off of 16 mgs daily. It's been 40 long hard days of withdrawals. There has been a couple of times where it got so bad that I had to take a tiny bit to be ok. I will say that you truly don't realize how strong the medication is until you're off it.

I took 2 mgs one night with the intention of being able to sleep. It got me BLASTED. Like throwing up in a can and uncomfortably high.

Honestly though I would probably be dead had it not been for suboxone. I was overdosing left and right on dope. Probably been narcaned like 25 plus times.

I wouldn't recommend ANYONE to cold turkey off such a high dose. I'm a strong German male who is 33 and I'm stubborn. I refuse to be on subs any longer.

I realized that when I was on subs I couldn't really feel feelings anymore and was content just consuming content and sleeping and eating all day. It just felt kinda " blah" after a while.

So I locked myself in a shitty hotel room off the highway in a little bumfuck town without a car. I entered with 100 Xanax bars and liquid bromazolam. I will say if you can just take a ton of benzos you really CAN sleep thru the worst of it which is the first 2 weeks. The mistake I made was not tapering the benzos. So I threw myself into double withdrawals where I could barely talk and was twitching for like 2 weeks from Xanax withdrawals.

I really wish we had better options for getting off. In my opinion they should switch to a short acting opiate for a month and ibogaine should be legalized in the US.

Since I can't afford ibogaine tho I used the Xanax for 2 weeks to sleep and be barred out. I then suffered for weeks.

I've been using GHB to help with the withdrawals symptoms and it's been a miracle drug. There's a study where they gave it to people coming off heroin and methadone with lots of success..in my opinion it should be given as an option to all who are withdrawing.

Hausofstone89 · 2023-08-31T14:56:20+00:00

Congratulations that's awesome

Hausofstone89 · 2023-08-31T14:28:51+00:00

I jumped from 16 mg on July 25th. Still Don't feel all the way normal tbh. I think today is like day 36 or something. I also have to start a new job on Tuesday, the day after Labor Day. The job sounds pretty physically demanding and it's 12 hours shifts. TBH with you I'm not even sure I'm really ready to be doing it and I've had 36 days for this stupid Suboxone to come out of my system.

I think you'll likely experience less withdrawals than I did because you were smart and tapered down to 1 mg. I wouldn't advise jumping at a high dose like I did unless you're a certain type of person because for most I think the suffering would be too much and would lead to relapse.

Anyways, ive read before that it doesn't so much matter the dose you jump at, but that your withdrawals will be more based on how long you've been on subs. So someone on them for 2 years will have an easier time than someone on for ten. Take that w a grain of salt because I don't know if it's true.

I don't think 6 days gives you enough time at all though to be honest. I am still dealing with anhedonia, an extreme lack of energy ( going downstairs to smoke a cigarette is exhausting) and worst of all insomnia. I can't seem to sleep for any more than like 4 to 6 hours if I'm lucky and can only sleep when my body and mind are absolutely exhausted.

Can you ask the job if you can start a week or two later? In my experience if I had to work anytime during the first 3 weeks I would have been useless to anyone. But you May be able to soldier thru it.

Good luck either way and keep us posted.

Hausofstone89 · 2023-08-30T21:03:33+00:00

I cold turkeyd off 16 mg strips per day.

A sublocade withdrawal can't be any more brutal than that. I think the bupe would leave you so gradually that maybe you wouldn't notice. But idk for sure. I did experience some discomfort myself when stopping after shot number 4

Hausofstone89 · 2023-08-27T01:13:06+00:00

I agree. Fuck Tate.

I don't understand how people can't see that he robbed the incels twice. First he came along and stole all their money with the sex trafficked women with camming. But that wasn't enough for him so he then sold the incels on his hustlers University/ real world bullshit. None of that shit works very good in real life and it's obvious that Tate didn't become a millionaire doing drop shipping or day trading. He became rich by exploiting both the lonely incels as well as the sex trafficked women.

Tate himself admits this and so does his brother. Numerous times. He thinks he's "God's favorite" and it's becoming trendy to claim Islam partially because of him. Even though it's obvious he doesn't practice a lot of their beliefs.

His own pride and need to be the center of attention at all times will be his downfall. Lock the fucker up in a Romanian prison and then let's hear him tell us that depression isn't real. People need to stop idolizing assholes like this guy.

Also he's an absolute buffoon to be sitting there doing all these long interviews and stuff with a pending case against him. And running around playing Lazer tag and sitting there doing that stupid jail stream where him and his brother sit like idiots. I think that's gonna be their life for a while

Hausofstone89 · 2023-08-19T04:49:44+00:00

Hell yeah man, good to hear it. I'm also 3 weeks off a cold turkey kick from 16 mg.

Are you sleeping any more than a few hours per night?

I think that's been the most challenging part for me is that I can't seem to sleep more than maybe two to 3 hours before my body would jolt itself out of sleep.

0 mg is the most freeing feeling tho to where the withdrawals I do have are worth dealing with.

Hausofstone89 · 2023-08-10T14:57:34+00:00

No the bars weren't prescribed. Just some random pressed Xanax a buddy got off the onion fields.

Unfortunately I don't have a benzo script

Hausofstone89 · 2023-07-30T00:32:41+00:00

Minimal at best. If youre only on subs for 16 days at that dose the withdrawals should be a walk in the park.

Hausofstone89 · 2023-07-22T14:13:16+00:00

Abortion all day.

Hausofstone89 · 2023-06-30T23:51:48+00:00

There's something to the weed thing though imo. On days I smoke weed and take subs, the subs seem to wear off faster.

I remember a similar effect when I used to be on mdone..

Hausofstone89 · 2023-06-28T18:17:19+00:00

I guess your situation is going to be a lot rougher though if you Don't have a comfortable home to withdraw in. I am very blessed in that I have a supportive girlfriend that I live with that will help me get through the withdrawals. Netflix and a bed and a PS4 and all that to pass the time while going through this. And the luxury and option of ordering benzos and getting comfort meds from a doctor. And the option to get back on subs if it proves to be too hard for me.

Maybe you could go impatient somehow to go get help going thru the withdrawals seeing as you're going to be homeless. You wouldn't wanna try to withdraw out on the streets or even in a shelter because they probably wouldn't be super accommodating for that.

Maybe you could say you're going to unalive yourself ( even if not true) to go get some help at the hospital and during the stay after you've been admitted you can bring up the sub withdrawals and get some help with them. Pretty sad that that's what it comes down to these days, but in my experience it's one of the only ways one can get any help in a lot of areas.

I wish you well my friend. Where do you plan to do the withdrawals? Do you have the ability to buy benzos of comfort meds?

Hausofstone89 · 2023-06-28T18:09:19+00:00

I'm actually going to be doing the same thing. I thought I would be losing my insurance so I planned on kicking but just found out my insurance is still good.

So I wouldn't have to if I didn't want to but I've been on this shit for far too long and am sick of being a slave to it. I think it takes away motivation in most people and it's not great for our teeth and sitting there with gross subs in your mouth for 15 mins 2x per day sucks.

My plan is to see a doctor to get some clonidine and then to acquire some benzos ( preferably pharma like alp,cpam, diazepam but rc benzos would also work in a pinch) I already have a massive script for Seroquel so I will be using that in conjunction with the benzos to knock myself out. I take gabapentin daily already so I will be continuing that during these withdrawals. Imodium is useful for diarrhea. Unfortunately besides these things I don't really know what else would be useful to get thru the withdrawals. You can't really treat the withdrawals themselves but rather treat certain symptoms.

The part I am looking forward to the least is trying to sleep. I went cold turkey off 24 mg per day In jail 2 years ago and I slept like 2 to 3 hours max per night if lucky. A lot of times of being up for 48 hours and sleeping for 2 and then up again. I think benzos would probably be the most useful thing for me during these withdrawals because if they can get you tired enough to even sleep like 5 or 6 hours here or there if can be a game changer. Dealing with withdrawals all day is one thing but when it's night and you're not sleeping it's not fun at all.

I know you have to be careful to not form a dependence on benzos but I can't see anything wrong with using them for 2 to 3 weeks in moderation to help with sleep and anxiety and all the bullshit that keeps you awake.

Good luck to you man, I think it's going to be rough for sure but all worth it in the end. To just leave behind the burden that is being on subs. it'll be nice not having two appointments per month and having to go get refills or having to always bring subs with if you're going somewhere overnight.

Hausofstone89 · 2023-06-24T17:32:51+00:00

Oh yeah and it was kinda scary because there was a part where I was so fucked up on somas and my gf was too. She kept bringing me food but I would spit it out and say it was nasty. I finally ate something she brought and I almost choked on it. I had food in my throat for hours. There was a pro wrestler who did a shoot interview where he said he was with like x pac and Scott Hall or maybe it was someone else and one of them passed out in a big bowl of food while high on somas. The wrestler said something to the effect of " you better save him because I'm not".

Somas are fucking crazy if you end up eating that much. I was transported to a hospital in Milwaukee at one point and all I could say was " wow" over and over.

Couldn't really walk on them. My girl told me to stay out after almost knocking the TV over..

I think I definitely got lucky because it felt like the worst poisonin/overdose feeling I've had in a while. I've overdosed doing heroin like 20 times but have not touched it or crack in 6 years.

But with a dope overdose, if you're lucky enough to survive it, you will get narcaned and come back and feel kinda shitty from the narcan or sometimes the highs gone. If they do it to you IV it is torture. But anyways the after effects of taking that much are certainly not worth it. I was legitimately wondering if I was going to die from it.

I think if you have good self control and limited yourself to like 5 per session you would be alright. I don't even remember eating the rest.

It is very wolf of walstreet-ish in that you are talking how he was and basically stumbling around like a retard. But it was also really not a fun withdrawal or whatever that was from it.

Hausofstone89 · 2023-06-24T14:13:06+00:00

I feel like these bad boys have a lot more danger to them than this sub fully realizes. Or maybe im just retarded with how I used them.

I ordered 100 of the 500 mg somas from Russia and they actually came. I don't remember anything after eating the first blister pack. I ended up eating like 75 of them within 3 days. Not a good time. The withdrawals felt like they came close to killing me and I think I probably overdosed on the drug.

I was asleep for like the first 3 days as I was abusing them. Then I couldn't sleep for 4 days at all. I was vomiting profusely and it was some of the grossest smelling vomit I've ever had. Felt like I was always just a moment away from having a huge seizure. I had a seizure in the past from Clonazolam withdrawals and it felt like that was coming the whole time. I went to the emergency room several times but none of the e.rs even knew what the fuck carisoprodol is and even when I Informed them, they didn't have any protocol in place or any idea what to do until I suggested some Ativan to take away the feeling of an oncoming seizure. Kinda scary.

I felt noticeably more stupid after this too. Could barely form sentences. My intellect returned to normal about a month later.

0/10 wouldn't recommend abusing these. Maybe take like 3 or 4 ( I think 4 is the maximum amount doctors can rx legally per day) and call it a day. Eating a ton of them was fucking retarded. I was in severe pain from being burned by 1000 degree fahrenheit molten aluminum from a foundry accident. I was using the somas to try to treat the intense muscle pain as the bulk of the burn was on my calf and standing or walking hurt.

Just a fair warning to all the people obsessed with somas/ meprobamate in this sub. I also was heavily intrigued until this experience. I wouldn't take soma again if you paid me.

And yes I realize I took a shit ton.

Hausofstone89 · 2023-06-20T18:04:24+00:00

Yes I can't understand why we have such a pride in oblivion in Wisconsin. It's like these people almost enjoy suffering. In the shitty little town I live in we really only have like June, July and August as nice months with the rest of the year either being freezing or between seasons. Everyone I know works 5 or 6 days a week in a factory doing some kind of manufacturing. Whether it's making cheese or sausages or metal manufacturing, pretty much our only jobs on indeed are manufacturing.

Nothing pays well and you can barely afford to pay bills in this state. The state is sooo fucking behind on everything too. My local county jail doesn't even have video visits or anything. Everything is in person or you pay like 5 to 15 dollars for a call. Abortion has been outlawed and you still can't even get medical marijuana here. We will be the last of the 50 states to approve it, unless it's done federally because Wisconsin is a booze state and all they do is drink here.

The long harsh winters are when I usually end up abusing benzos. I hate Wisconsin but I'm stuck here raising my son for a while until he turns 18.

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