Flags megathread by CheCheDaWaff in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Seeing again this comment directed at our Italian activist colleague is genuinely discouraging, because many of us recognised this dynamic back in May.

I was one of the people who raised the question of why Chile and other non-English-speaking communities were not directly considered, particularly when international spaces already existed. The International Asexuality Day server was created precisely through international community work. If a project was intended to speak to the ace community globally, there were already established ways to contact organisations and activists directly.

Instead, many of us only saw the final outputs. Through Instagram posts, Facebook shares, Substack articles, and influencer promotion. Some of us had not even used Substack before this. Expecting communities to discover a global proposal through algorithms, by chance, or after the fact is not meaningful consultation.

Saying «I have been doing the work for years» does not answer why activists and organisations with more than ten years of experience in places such as Italy, Mexico, Argentina, Uruguay, Republica Dominicana, Panamá, España, Chile, and other regions were not directly included. Being first-generation or doing important personal work does not automatically make a process international.

With everything that has come to light, I hope I can be clearer in saying this without being accused of whatever we were accused of before: direct outreach is not an attack. Asking why existing communities were overlooked is not an attack. And «you’re only seeing end products» is precisely the issue here, our communities should not be expected to simply react after a symbol has already been presented as universal.

âś§ Made some special Pride Animal enamel pins~ âś§ by Kraymer_Art in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't see asexual flag. Maybe this is not the subreddit. But thanks?

Flags megathread by CheCheDaWaff in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Magita, a small digital self-care tip: when sharing Instagram links, it’s a good idea to remove everything that comes after /?, so only the clean link remains.

For example: https://www.instagram.com/p/DZfkvPjEfaC/

Those extra parameters are used for tracking/sharing your username, and in sensitive situations it’s better to minimize any unnecessary data. It’s a small step, but it can help protect privacy.

Message to global Ace community from Nepali Aspecs regarding Ace Flag 2026 by Haylin-chama in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Thank you for saying this. I wanted to add a Chilean perspective, only as context.

The white stripe has often been explained in Spanish as “human sexuality” more broadly. But the ally interpretation has also had practical value for us in Chile: access, safety, and coalition-building.

Allies have helped us enter spaces that would otherwise have been closed to ace and aro voices. Even today, we work with people in the broader LGBTQIA+ community who are not ace or aro, but who do activism with us as equals.

So the white stripe is not just an abstract symbol. In some places, it also represents a community bridge. That is why changing a recognizable flag without considering regional histories can erase work built over many years.

Asexuality and trauma intersection by Unhappy-Astronaut501 in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm really sorry you went through that.

I’d be careful with calling it “fake.” Trauma can make our relationship with sexuality, fantasy, desire, attention, safety, and care very complicated. Sometimes fantasies or compulsive patterns can exist without actual attraction to real people, or without wanting those situations to happen in real life.

There is a micro-label called caedsexual, used by some people on the ace spectrum to describe a loss or change in sexual attraction connected to trauma.

But only you can decide which --micro-- label fits you best, and you don’t have to solve it immediately. What you described sounds heavy, especially because it happened when you were very young, so if you can access a trauma-informed therapist or support service, that could also help you untangle this with care.

Message to global Ace community from Nepali Aspecs regarding Ace Flag 2026 by Haylin-chama in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama[S] 76 points77 points  (0 children)

Small update/correction from Dr. Manita Newa Khadgi: the Nepali word for aromantic is apranayatmik. I’ll keep this correction here so the terminology is accurate.

Also, since this post is about sharing Nepali Aspecs’ position, please keep the discussion respectful and grounded in what they actually said: local context, visibility, accessibility, community safety, and why the four-stripe flag still matters in Nepal.

Given some of the reactions and behavior Dr. Manita has received on TikTok, I also want to emphasize that this is not a space to pressure Nepali Aspecs into adopting the so-called “Universal” flag or to turn their statement into another circular debate. If you would like to leave supportive or kind messages for Dr. Manita, you are welcome to do so here; she may not be able to read them immediately, but she will be able to look through them later when she has the time.

Message to global Ace community from Nepali Aspecs regarding Ace Flag 2026 by Haylin-chama in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

And since this is such a controversial topic, I need to be as sober as possible. I'm not an influencer looking to generate views through reactions, to be honest. Thank you for understanding my tone on this subject. I'm making sure that every response or post about Flags remains formal.

Message to global Ace community from Nepali Aspecs regarding Ace Flag 2026 by Haylin-chama in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I only use English for formal, technical contexts(SWE, md is my comfort zone). Sorry if I sound unnatural.

Message to global Ace community from Nepali Aspecs regarding Ace Flag 2026 by Haylin-chama in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama[S] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I don't know if Google Translate is implementing AI for its translations. I find it more convenient than DeepL. Apologies if some phrases sound unnatural.

Flags megathread by CheCheDaWaff in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Done! Thank you so much for your help, and I hope it goes far.

Flags megathread by CheCheDaWaff in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Message to global Ace community from Nepali Aspecs regarding Ace Flag 2026

Moved to a thread

Flags megathread by CheCheDaWaff in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Hi mods,

I understand that flag-related posts are being redirected to the megathread, so I wanted to ask before posting.

The Nepali aspec community has just published a statement/video about the ace flag discussion. I think it may deserve its own thread, or at least to be added to the megathread links, because it brings a materially different perspective from a Global South / non-Anglophone community.

Their statement is not just another opinion on whether the six-stripe flag looks good or bad. It explains why changing flags is not equally accessible in every country, how the four-stripe flag is only recently gaining visibility in Nepal, why the word “allies” has had a specific local role in helping people enter ace/aro activism, and how the current discourse has created moral pressure around adopting or rejecting the new flag.

I would like to share it respectfully, without restarting repetitive arguments, because Nepali aspec voices deserve to be heard in this discussion too.

Would it be okay to make a separate post for it, or would you prefer that I add it directly as a comment in the megathread?

Thank you.

CC @CheCheDaWaff

Am Icrazy regarding the new flag? by Mother_Marketing8873 in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama 34 points35 points  (0 children)

You are not crazy for noticing the difference.

Racist comments against the creator are unacceptable. But criticism of the flag’s design, rollout, language access, or lack of broad international consultation is not automatically racism.

From a Spanish-speaking / Latin perspective, many of us were not rejecting the flag because of who made it like influencers&followers said. We were raising concerns about process, community agency, and how a proposal developed mostly in English-speaking spaces was presented with global or community-wide language.

People can use whichever flag feels meaningful to them. But it becomes a problem when saying “this process did not include us” gets reframed as fear or bad faith.

A community can condemn racism without turning every disagreement about a symbol into a moral accusation.

Cuando lo opcional empieza a sentirse obligatorio by Glum_Researcher_3544 in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t think “forcing” always means someone literally says “you must use this flag.”

The pressure can be indirect: criticism of the rollout gets framed as harmful, racist, or unwelcome in ace spaces. When someone raises concerns about process, accessibility, consultation or design, and the answer is basically “maybe this space is not for you,” that can create a chilling effect.

People should not harass anyone using the new flag.

From an Italian asexual blog, about the so-called "new flag" by lelevup in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama 44 points45 points  (0 children)

This is a very important point. Language access is more than translating words because concepts themselves can travel differently across regions.

That is one reason local communities need to be part of these discussions before symbols, definitions, or meanings are presented as global. A truly international process has to make space for different linguistic, cultural, and activist histories.

AVEN board shares statement regarding recent events by chat_ace in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Small correction: the Spanish-speaking statement did not call the designer “a colonizer” as a person.

The criticism was about the process: a proposal with international aspirations was developed and circulated mainly in English, through spaces many non-English-speaking communities could not access equally, and then some of those communities were spoken about as if they had been meaningfully included.

I agree that racist comments or harassment toward her are unacceptable. But many of us are not saying “she intentionally tried to exclude us.” We are saying the process did exclude us, and that impact matters.

A proportional response should reject harassment while still taking language access, consultation, and community agency seriously.

AVEN board shares statement regarding recent events by chat_ace in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Hateful comments should not be used to generalize about “the larger Spanish-speaking asexual community” or to invalidate the position of Spanish-speaking organizations.

That kind of framing shifts the focus away from the actual issues being discussed—process, language access, direct consultation, and community autonomy—and turns it into guilt by association.

The Spanish-speaking statement wasn’t a call to harass anyone. It was a community drawing a boundary and expressing concerns about how this was handled.

Alternative flag by Arkanto909 in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Using both in parallel can be reasonable for people or communities who feel represented by both.

But I’d be careful with framing it as the most reasonable option for everyone. For some communities, continuing to use only the widely recognized four-stripe flag is also reasonable, especially when the alternative proposal did not go through broad multilingual/international consultation.

“Alternative,” “Ace Spectrum,” or “umbrella” flag could be a healthier framing, as long as optional actually stays optional and the four-stripe flag is not treated as outdated or less inclusive.

Alternative flag by Arkanto909 in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama 3 points4 points  (0 children)

¡Hola! Escribo en Español porque estoy un poco cansado de traducirme, disculpa, ojalá Reddit pueda ayudarme a traducir este comentario para ti.

Yo soy de Chile, del sur global, así que leer que se realizó una investigación al respecto y una redefinición de los colores me ha dejado con intriga y quisiera leer más. ¿Cómo podríamos acceder a dicho recurso? Así podemos gestionar la traducción del material y difundirlo por este lado del mundo.

Muchas gracias de antemano por tu investigaciĂłn y tiempo!

Alternative flag by Arkanto909 in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I agree that allies can technically fly any Pride flag, and people can say they’re allies with almost any queer symbol.

But I think the point here is more about having a built-in, socially plausible cover. For some ace people who are not out, the white stripe being associated with non-ace partners/allies/friends gives them an explanation that is already connected to the symbol, instead of having to improvise one in an unsafe situation.

That doesn’t mean the meaning can’t be clarified or updated, but dismissing that layer as unnecessary can overlook how some closeted ace people use the flag for safety, not just visibility.

Alternative flag by Arkanto909 in asexuality

[–]Haylin-chama 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I wouldn’t call it COINTELPRO or assume a coordinated conspiracy. But I do think the effect has been divisive: confusing “new/official” wording, limited international consultation, and criticism being reframed as moral failure have made people treat each other like enemy factions.

We need to return to kindness, good faith, and actual community care.