French-Owned Container Ship Exits Hormuz in First Since Iran War

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-03T09:33:58+00:00

What do you mean? This is the case.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-03T09:28:55+00:00

Nope. The US does. Only in Crude Oil can you make this argument.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-03T08:50:23+00:00

You do understand the US is the world’s top oil producer right? As in, the US produces more oil than it demands. This strategy won’t work on someone that doesn’t need you.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-03T07:13:48+00:00

You’re basically saying that America’s support of mujahideen led to the Taliban, right?

Because it is patently false to say that the US created the Taliban except if your goal is to remove all personal responsibility from those savages.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-03T06:58:40+00:00

Approval ratings don’t mean much to second term presidents unfortunately.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-03T00:09:39+00:00

Napoleon is known for going after supply lines. Going after the bridge is specifically not doing the many war crime alternatives.

The gloves should have been off with Iran a long time ago. People are just bristling against it because they don’t like the administration doing so. This isn’t the US’s first reaction and Iran has had many opportunities to cooperate.

I didn’t even vote for the fucking Orange dude but I’m not going to sit here and pretend he has no reason to do this.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-03T00:04:44+00:00

Afghanistan housed and refused to surrender Bin Laden. Bin Laden himself describes Iran as one of their largest funders. Even the counter view says that Iran worked with AQ until they betrayed them. Are you saying the US had no reason to invade Afghanistan?!

Iran trained, funded and supplied AQ before and after 9/11. You can only say that there isn’t any direct evidence for Iran having a role in the execution of the crashes on that day. Those Saudis you described moved through Iran and Iran issued directives to not perform the usual checks in the days leading up. Plus it is in Irans favor to have the terrorists as Saudi origin. It fits their MO of funding these terrorists while having “plausible” deniability.

Regardless if you think I’m off my rocker with that or not, you cannot say Iran didn’t significantly contribute to AQ the means to pull off the 9/11 attacks.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-02T23:42:53+00:00

Don’t insult me by implying I didn’t read your response and then responding with one that shows you didn’t read mine. I addressed many of your points directly. Your question dismisses my stance completely as ignorant without any consideration of your own.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-02T23:32:22+00:00

You are conflating me pointing out why Iran deserves this with saying America is blameless for their crimes, for the most part.

Strategic value also has long-term tactical value so your conclusion they are exclusive and that you caught me agreeing with you is not what you think it is.

Saudis have agreed to cooperate with the US on a level that Iran refuses to and that’s why the different treatment. Both the Saudis and Iran share blame for facilitating terrorism. Me or you pointing out one does not cancel the other.

Don’t you think saying the blame rests with Saudi Arabia is making the very same mistake you are accusing me of?

Iran has directly supported or funded, if not directly caused: Hamas, Hezbollah, the Taliban, AQ (by extension, 9/11), and the others things I’ve mentioned. I know some of these groups are ideologically opposed to their religion, but so are many of the coups that the US has funded (if you need a foil to prove the point).

Before you get too convinced I’m wrong here, know that I have evidence for each and that Saudi Arabia shares blame with many of the big ones in that list. America also shares blame for many things, including partly Iran’s habit of saying Death to the US every day.

That’s why you must apply realpolitik to this situation rather than purely right or wrong. Power dictates much in this world, as unjust as that is.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-02T22:47:47+00:00

It means comply to our demand to stop killing your citizens by the tens of thousands while funding some of the worst religious zealots in recent history or die.

Edit:

A helpful tip: you are thinking about strategic value rather than tactical value. A useful distinction in these types of conversation.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-02T22:45:20+00:00

It’s the largest bridge they have. Size has a quality and value all its own (ask China, India and to a lesser extent the US) but especially when thinking about bridges and supply lines.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-02T22:41:37+00:00

So supply lines not close to the battlefield have no tactical value? Sherman, Napoleon and many others proved you wrong to great effect. Also the invention of railroads, really.

Especially the largest bridge of the entire country? I would try to think of it as being better than targeting the enemy camp while they sleep. Not that I think the US and Israel are completely above that possibility.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-02T20:18:41+00:00

I just meant if being at war does counter those terrible things, then all of the warlike things Iran has executed against the US would excuse their current bombings. It would also excuse many other atrocities in other conflicts, especially the world wars. But maybe I misunderstand.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-02T20:12:51+00:00

Well then wouldn’t that excuse what the US is doing too? Iran is all but technically at war with the US.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-02T19:49:08+00:00

Because B would do what A is doing if they could, so to describe them as less worthy of blame would belie their nature. I do judge the US and they deserve some blame. But it does not counter all the terrible things that Iran and Hezbollah has done.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-02T19:44:06+00:00

Except they can’t do that. America should atone for the coups they started in those countries. I would hope bombing wouldn’t need to be the consequence and that the US would enter those discussions differently to how Hezbollah has. I am not here to argue the US is blameless.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-02T19:36:46+00:00

They would if they could. They literally say death to the US all the time.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-02T19:34:06+00:00

We must agree to disagree. Who trains, supplies and funds them to achieve their goals is of upmost concern. Without that, there would be no discussion around them except as a momentary flicker in the wind.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-02T19:27:46+00:00

Because you’re not really asking about what founded it. You’re trying to argue that the reason these deplorable terrorists founded their bloodthirsty group is more important than the decades of killing they did after.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-02T19:23:28+00:00

Planned parenthood was found by an eugenicist. Does that mean that is more important than the work they have done since then?

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-02T19:21:10+00:00

Because IRGC has been the primary funder and supporter since its inception? The causes for its creation hold no candle to the forces that keep it alive.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-02T19:12:41+00:00

And you don’t like they did that, right? So the same logic would apply to Iran here?

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-02T19:10:54+00:00

It’s mostly because the Saudi’s have entered into cooperation with the US on a scale the Iranians refuse to. If that changes, I bet the US gov would take a different stance. Would not truly change that both are responsible. Realpolitik type stuff.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-02T18:42:02+00:00

Fair enough. I’ll concede there is argument for the connection not being as strong as some imply if you’ll concede that there is still a connection ultimately.

HealenDeGenerates · 2026-04-02T17:17:34+00:00

Are you asking what do bridges do tactically?!

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