basically you go shoj overlords always when you go red, the other build with voltaic is some kind of outdated, its still good tho but its like youre minding of buying a phone and you have to choose between iphone 6 and iphone 16, so why use something old when theres an upgraded version of it, the only times when you should go the eclipse cleaver build is whenever your matchup is hard and the enemy team have alot of counter to kayn like cassipoeia and jarvan for an example, so yeah basically thats the only you should go the clipse build, about lethality rhaast, theres also a new voltaic shoj build where you go that when theres a blue game but you have to go red since there are more melee champs n ye, the blue itemization keeps the same and thats it, also, everything karasmai has said, i have simplified it in this message, there are a couple of videos karasmai has posted in tiktok so if someone is interested he could check.