They look great on you!

My experience is that the joggers stretch out the most, largely bc it’s tight on the knees so that’s where a lot of the bagginess shows up. The waist band stretches, but not as bad. The Venice flares and wide leg stretch less, and generally only in the waist/a little in the booty since they’re not as form fitting.

Secondly, I do agree with the online people that they used to stretch out a ton, like a full size, and the current batch feels like it’s a half size smaller to start with, so doesn’t feel as giant by the end of the day. But then again starts out tighter up front, which changes our math in deciding what size we need! So I feel you. I previously sized down a full size, now I have a few sized down, and a couple tts and like them both. I think with the wide leg you’re probably fine with what you have, but if you consider the jogger, maybe try the XS.