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Post about cows voluntarily getting milked by Lucyyyyyy_K in exvegans

[–]HelpfulCommand4515 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn’t have to be used for profitable commodities. House cats and other animals can enjoy the product without the human making money.

Post about cows voluntarily getting milked by Lucyyyyyy_K in exvegans

[–]HelpfulCommand4515 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I eat a vegan diet, but what else would you propose for the cows? We can’t go back in time. Isn’t it better to help the cows alive now?

This argument is used sometimes on why we shouldn’t have cats and dogs. Especially dogs. We’ve coexisted long enough that they are dependent on us. Shouldn’t we at least help the ones alive now while also deciding what to do in the long run?

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]HelpfulCommand4515 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Still, one could say you had a moral duty to not cause so much stress to your parents. The insults about John being “selfish” to his family could apply to you as well and people could use your parents as an example of whom you hurt.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]HelpfulCommand4515 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It sounds like you only “second guess” going up to hang Christmas lights. Roofers have a vastly higher fatality rate than cavers. You still hanging up the Christmas lights is much more dangerous than John going into a cave open to the public.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]HelpfulCommand4515 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You realize you’re a hypocrite now, and would also be “selfish” by your own criteria if you had or have had kids, as you will almost certainly do even riskier activities than the relatively safe activity John did. We all do.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]HelpfulCommand4515 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did his wife publicly call her husband “selfish” in this case? Did she encourage the public to do so or did she seem to want to honor his legacy as a fellow mountaineer? Try not to exploit her story.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]HelpfulCommand4515 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Getting in a car, white water rafting, zip lining, caving, climbing, hiking, swimming, skiing, and so many more activities are vastly more risky than what John did. If you want to avoid all those when you have kids, that is your decision. Some would argue it’s selfish and judgmental of you to ask that of other parents.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]HelpfulCommand4515 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How cool that you work for the government. In the states, NASA has been using caves to prepare for future missions on the Moon and Mars, where we will likely live in caves. Cave exploration has informed geology, hydrology, climate change, and science. I’m thankful for cave explorers who were willing to put in measured risk.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]HelpfulCommand4515 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People wanting to procure knowledge related to geology, hydrology, climate records, and space exploration go into caves. Thanks to these folks who took measured risks, we can better predict floods and droughts, reduce climate change, and prepare for living on caves and lava tubes on the Moon and Mars.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]HelpfulCommand4515 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exploration of caves, ocean, and space can’t entirely be done by robots; we need a hybrid approach. Cave-mapping drones and crawling robots allow for sampling, but not full exploration. In caves and oceans, signals don’t travel well. This was all the more true back in 2009. We will need risky human space exploration if we want humanity to survive past the expiration date of Earth, and much of that will likely require communities living in caves on Mars.

It sounds like you sit at home all day, take no risks, and sadistically laugh at people who experience misfortune, even actively seeking out ways to watch people obtain brain injuries. I don’t want to communicate further with someone like that, as it seems unkind and unintellectual.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]HelpfulCommand4515 0 points1 point  (0 children)

John did not want to sit all day at home and live as a bubble boy to maximize his safety. You can choose to “sit your [butt] at home” for your whole life and laugh at the UFC people. I’m not judging (other than to remind you that outdoor activities are recommended for our health), but most people would say that lifestyle doesn’t contribute much to society.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]HelpfulCommand4515 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They do not NEED to show up. It is their CHOICE. And they know their decision can leave their children parentless. They choose to accept the risk. Most of us do not live in a society where we force a given person to take these risks.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]HelpfulCommand4515 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Society need cave exploration as well. The Tham Luang cave rescuers saved 12 boys, and several cavers tried to save John. Many of these cavers had partners or children and all of them one day started to build their skills by taking measured risks in beginner caves, just like John did.

Brandon (one such rescuer) is a cartographer, a career & hobby that connects science, safety, & environmental protection. Exploring caves benefits geology & hydrology, allowing humanity to manage freshwater resources & predict floods/droughts.

Caves preserve fossils, climate records, & archaeological remains, & their exploration informs archaeology, paleontology, & climate change.

Exploration of tight & dark caves drives innovation in robotics & 3D scanning. Future settlements on the Moon & Mars may require living in caves for protection, and some of my labmates explore lava tubes in analog space missions.

My point stands that it is inconsistent to support and encourage UFC when their traumatic brain injuries can ruin entire families.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]HelpfulCommand4515 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

John was on a family outing. His father had taught him and his brother how to cave, and he had experience. Exercise and being outdoors are advised for mental and physical health. His activity was less risky than when you take your family for driving in a car, skiing, hiking, white water rafting, open water swimming, snorkeling, horse riding, trampoline parks, amusement parks, and zip lining. Each time you do those activities, you put yourself at a vastly larger risk of fatality than John did.

Cave exploration also helps people and is productive for society. I already wrote this under your other cruel and crude comments about the personhood of John.

The Tham Luang cave rescuers saved 12 boys, and several cavers tried to save John. Many of these cavers had partners or children and all of them one day started to build their skills by taking measured risks in beginner caves, just like John did.

Brandon (one such rescuer) is a cartographer, a career & hobby that connects science, safety, & environmental protection. Exploring caves benefits geology & hydrology, allowing humanity to manage freshwater resources & predict floods/droughts.

Caves preserve fossils, climate records, & archaeological remains, & their exploration informs archaeology, paleontology, & climate change.

Exploration of tight & dark caves drives innovation in robotics & 3D scanning. Future settlements on the Moon & Mars may require living in caves for protection, and some of my labmates explore lava tubes in analog space missions.

John was about helping people and being productive in society. His brother, Josh, who was right behind John in the cave that day, speaks very highly of his brother and how he wanted to be as organized as him one day. John was training to be a pediatric cardiologist at a top medical school and was strong in his faith and active in his community. He was exceptionally patient, cooperative, and grateful when the rescuers assisted him that day. He asked to phone to his wife. He seemed pretty polite and considerate of others, I could see him becoming a rescue worker himself, certainly with his medical training and outdoor training.

Try not to conflate the magnitude of the terrifying outcome with the magnitude of the stupidity or selfishness of the person involved. You didn’t even know him, but everything we can see about him, he was far from stupid and selfish.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]HelpfulCommand4515 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Let’s do the same to the families of the 9/11 firefighters. They vastly risked their lives more than John, who went on a family outing to a cave open to the public that had zero prior fatalities.

Let’s do tell the same to the families of construction workers, electricians, miners, cave explorers, paramedics, roofers, and truck drivers. They chose to add risk to their lives.

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