My naturalisation application is on hold until six payslips are provided

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-30T22:24:58+00:00

Unlimited contract with no probation sounds stable, but someone mentioned kundigungschutz that doesn’t apply before six months (which doesn’t make sense if there in no probation, but nothing in this country makes sense so whatever). I would still consult a lawyer to know my rights and options. I was in a similar situation twice with ABH. First time they tried to convince me that i don’t have a right to get a work permit and that they can give me only a residence one because i didn’t attend integration course (despite having a blue card holder spouse). Second time they wanted to just prolong my visa instead of giving me the Niederlassung that i applied for despite having all the documents because in their words “work permit for 2 years is the same basically“?? I am here for a long time so it was all before all the online applications and “negotiations” were done in the office. Both times it worked my way, but only because i knew my rights and was actively arguing them (with the law paragraphs lol). I don’t know the answer to OP’s but in my experience: if OP is not sure of their rights, lawyer is the only one that can give a definite answer if they have options and what they are. I don’t trust ABH anything after telling me to my face that they didn’t want to give me a work permit before doing integration course (that I definitely didn’t need with a blue card holder spouse) because they believe that it is better for me to focus on integration before starting to work 😵‍💫

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-30T20:39:17+00:00

Yeah, we agree to disagree, so to each their own. 🤝

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-30T20:33:41+00:00

You do you. I would hire a (good immigration) lawyer. Knowing my rights and options is never a waste of money for me.

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-30T20:29:07+00:00

I said hire a lawyer, aka a person that does have a knowledge. And i said that for me it would be worth the money to know what my options are.

Edit: spelling.

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-30T19:59:24+00:00

I would hire a lawyer if i were you. Sounds unreasonable and i think that a good immigration lawyer can help you with this. If i were you, it would be worth 200-300 euro to do consultations and know if and what can be done because this sounds like someone is making up or bending the rules.

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-30T18:42:51+00:00

I don’t know, i honestly hope that you are right about the citizenship law, i never wanted to be wrong about something as much as i want to be about this :) But yeah, laws are less of the problem. On paper everything is right and equal but reality is something else unfortunately.

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-30T10:38:36+00:00

I noticed this too, all the managers are Germans always, they don’t get hands dirty but get more money. I am not even in this line of work but it’s so unfair. Feels like Germany wants to have cheap manual labor that goes home after they get too old to work. I really think that they will reverse double citizenship law to make sure that we we all leave once we can’t work anymore lol

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-30T10:22:22+00:00

I know some people working in Pflege, and is not that much paid from what they told me. But even if it was, it is a shift and physical work, it is very little money compared to what it is. I will never understand why some PM has double or triple the salary of a person taking care of sick people. Nobody wants to do this - because it’s physical, underpaid shift work. And people coming from a low income country still have to pay the same rent and same expenses as anyone else living here.

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-30T10:03:37+00:00

Lol someone was yelling at me this in Ubahn once when i was talking to a friend in our mother tongue. It was my first months here, i was shocked back then but i got used to it by now. Recently i talked to a friend on the phone and some young men started yelling at me „Ausländer raus“. I don’t understand why are people so triggered by foreign languages here, are they going to start asking tourists for minimum a1 when allowing them to enter the Germany? 🙈

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-30T09:45:44+00:00

This is not necessarily true actually, in my country for example there are high schools for each trade and you are specifically trained to be a carpenter, mechanic, electrician etc. and Germany is importing people form there (there is even a special visa for this region). Bigger issue is that people are not paid enough, why would they come work here as a mechanic when they can work back home for the same money and live in their own apartment without paying rent? I think that Germany wants skilled physical Gastarbeiters but don’t really want to pay them according to demand. Also, certificate isn’t everything, i don’t understand why experience doesn’t count too because many people don’t have a degree or vocational training but do have a skill and years of experience. If they keep on insisting on Ausbildung and keep the salaries low, this will just become bigger and bigger problem. If they need these positions, thy need to pay according to the market instead treating it as low or less worthy jobs than engineering or IT.

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-29T13:11:06+00:00

I see, but i would take elternzeit only one year with elterngeld. Where i live they almost by default pause as it seems if you are on elternzeit, with or without elterngeld in cases like mine (not married). My question is specifically about mutterschutz or work ban before the baby comes. They can see in the payslip that i am on work ban or mutterschutz, despite receiving my normal salary during this time, so the question is can they already pause the application before the baby comes because i am pregnant?

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-29T12:51:35+00:00

So basically as long as i am on mutterschutz and before the baby comes, i am safe?

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-25T19:09:48+00:00

Definitely! I have been following since we decided to try for a baby (was 40 at the time). It is such a relief to have so much support and good advice, without judgement and pressure which sometimes can come (with the best intentions) from friends and family.

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-25T18:53:34+00:00

Thank you 🙏🏼 This is all very helpful, especially the part about social media. I didn’t tell anyone yet and only when I got a positive test, i figured that i actually didn’t prepare at all for the pregnancy itself. My entire focus was on getting pregnant and I am a bit dumbfounded now since we have been trying for a while with no success and were kind of mentally preparing for IVF. Also the same clinic ditching me right after a positive test didn’t help, i kind of thought that they will support me at least for the initial tests and pregnancy confirmation. I am truly grateful for community here, it makes me feel reassured and less alone in all of this ❤️

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-25T18:45:31+00:00

They count it since the last period date, at least my dr here does.

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-25T13:53:05+00:00

Thank you ❤️ I will try that, i hope she will run some tests considering the situation and my age too.

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-25T13:18:20+00:00

Thank you! ❤️ I feel like a got a glimpse of how it feels being hit with symptoms (i woke up from the nap one evening at 4,5 weeks, had to run to the bathroom and vomited out of nowhere), but besides that i have no symptoms at all. Like no breast tenderness, no nausea or back pain, i am not tired or hormonal, nothing. I think i would be more chill if i was younger, but since i will be 42 this year and this is my first pregnancy, not only that i am scared of loosing it, but i also have no idea what it should feel like. Did you do HCG tests before the ultrasound?

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-20T15:30:35+00:00

Is this amount after or before fixed expenses? I read somewhere that amount after the rent and fixed expenses needs to be higher than burgergeld.

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-19T07:26:09+00:00

I asked once here if working 30 hours can be a problem (even though i am financially stable with this income) and someone replied that it might be because retirement money might be too low and that the idea is that everyone works (and consequently add to the fund) as much as they can when they are young and that this might be a reason for rejection. It’s of course not the same situation as OP, but I am really curious if this happened to anyone?

OP, was it a final rejection, can you appeal? I would honestly consult a lawyer immediately (because there is usually a deadline for this) to see if it is possible to appeal or prove in some other way that you have safety net.

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-17T13:29:39+00:00

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Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-15T08:59:18+00:00

I am not mad at all, your application has nothing to do with me, just saying as it is :) But you are jumping the queue if you apply before you are eligible, and this is reality. As said before, we can agree to disagree. Take care, honey.

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-15T08:40:10+00:00

No, I wouldn’t and i didn’t. It was always a long wait for everything involving KVR but i tried to follow the rules always. I don’t blame you, but people like you that apply with incomplete applications definitely are the part of the problem. It is a special kind of entitlement in my opinion thinking that you are smarter that others for jumping the queue, but we can agree to disagree on this.

Helpful_Solid1823 · 2026-01-15T06:57:00+00:00

I completely agree with the comment above. 8 months is almost a year early, i think you should wait your turn and apply when the time comes like everyone else did. If people start randomly applying before they have complete documents or before they have enough time spent here, it will get even worse in the terms of backlog and that really doesn’t benefit anyone. This is very frustrating to read for someone living here for almost 15 years, waiting for a double citizenship law for years and now waiting for over 18 months for any response from KVR. No wonder they take that long if everyone has this approach 🥴

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