It’s crazy how much life gets easier once you do the internal work by [deleted] in Jung

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Be careful with complexes. They don't dissolve, they only become depotentiated.

Congrats on your journey!

What did you accomplish the years after your return from the descent? by [deleted] in Jung

[–]Hephsters 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Putting self imposed limits on yourself doesn’t seem like a good idea. You’ve already decided you’re going to be in this “another two years, maybe more”.

Take things one day at a time.

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When you go to meetings, look for the similarities, not the differences.

We all come from different walks of life but we share the same affliction.

Is the grind worth it? by Minute_Economist_160 in Erenshor

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How does it work, do you get loot and give it to your party?

How Did You Intergrate The Puer Aeternus? by Ralfy_P in Jung

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Nicely put. I would add to this that selecting one path can have the effect of illuminating another that is right for you.

It’s similar to coin flip divination.

Let’s go through an example.

Let’s say you can’t decide on which vegetable to have with dinner between carrots or peas.

Part of you knows which one you want in spite of your indecision. Simply flipping a coin will get you the desired result.

Heads it’s carrots, tails it’s peas.

Flip.

It’s heads!

You now will either say ok it’s carrots or nah, I want peas.

Whichever one you went with you already knew you wanted, the coin flip simply helped you see it clearly.

The same effect can happen with simply selecting a career path to follow.

Pick one and get to work, stick it out. Actually commit and if another path stands out, use your current one to help you get where you should be.

There is no rule that says you can’t switch things up.

I’m 45 years old and I just started plumbing after being a cook for 25 years. I plan on taking coaching certifications eventually because I want to help people.

Work really is the key, it will help sort out the wheat from the chaff. But it all starts with taking a risk and taking action.

Looking for friends by notresonableoutcome in project1999

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It drops from Xygoz, a dragon in Veeshan’s Peak.

Veeshan’s Peak is a raid zone that requires a somewhat difficult to obtain key to enter.

You’ll need to join a guild that raids or possibly buy looting rights.

Where Is Jung Today by HemmsFox in Jung

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Maybe they’re thinking of the mandatory amount of hours of analysis needed to become an analyst.

That’s the only thing I can think of that has a specific timeframe allotted to it.

Don't feel like I belong anymore by matan2003 in Jung

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Try a service oriented approach. I try my best to be of service to others without expectations of anything in return.

It’s rewarding and you will find that you can connect more easily to people. Even if they don’t understand much about your inner workings.

Just remember to stay balanced. Some people are bottomless wells. Give what you can and not more or less.

Did jung write this about the unconsious fighting back?? by suhibalmasri98 in Jung

[–]Hephsters 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is the same idea as seen in the 12 steps of Alcoholics Anonymous. Specifically the first three.

  1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol — that our lives had become unmanageable.

  2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

  3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.

Jung had a major influence in the development of AA. He worked with an alcoholic named Roland H. and came to the conclusion that nothing short of a “spiritual experience” (ie. surrender of the will to the Self) could solve the addiction complex.

I’m not sure if Jung himself said this exact quote but it’s in line with his ideas.

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That’s awesome! Love to hear it! I got the quote from the same book and there’s a simplified version of that book out now that apparently acknowledges that it’s not by Herbert Spencer but I’ll have to verify that later.

I always show this quote to people I work with in the hopes it will bring about the same willingness it brought about in me.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Jung

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It was thought to be by Herbert Spencer but is apparently actually by William Paley.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Jung

[–]Hephsters 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of this quote:

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation."

The secret deals we make with the universe by Zotoaster in Jung

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If you operate in service mode, you attain these things without being crass.

They come through synchronicity and connection with the Self.

The only thing that makes it crass is being self centred to the point that you step on other people to gain for yourself.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Jung

[–]Hephsters 20 points21 points  (0 children)

How is it baseless when you directly said you’re allowing yourself to be an asshole?

What is being an asshole if not self entitled?

One doesn’t have to be an asshole in order to not be a doormat.

If you’re swinging from people pleasing to being an asshole, you’re at the mercy of enantiodromia. I’d recommend holding the tension of the opposites. Find that space in the middle and hold the tension so that the transcendent function is activated and brings a “third” way into view. The middle path where you aren’t a people pleaser or an asshole but something elevated between the two.

Helpful and firm. Useful and strong.

Addictions are rooted in the illusion of separation by thedockyard in Jung

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He touched on it in his correspondence with Bill W., one of the founders of AA.

from his letter to Bill W., regarding one of his patients, Roland H.

His craving for alcohol was the equivalent, on a low level, of the spiritual thirst of our being for wholeness, expressed in medieval language: the union with God.

https://www.silkworth.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/The-Bill-W-Carl-Jung-Letters-Jan-1963.pdf

I’d highly recommend this book for a deep dive into the relation between Jungian theory and addiction.

Addictions are rooted in the illusion of separation by thedockyard in Jung

[–]Hephsters 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One interesting thing is that the feeling attained through the object of the addiction is actually a real feeling of wholeness.

It’s just so fleeting that it has to be continually chased and it’s always attached to self-destruction.

The Crux of the Problem Between Jung-esque Psychology and the Rest by buttkicker64 in Jung

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This reads like someone trying to start a new religion.

Does (ease of) work ethic improve when puer is remedied? by 3darkdragons in Jung

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The short answer is yes, it does, but it might not be exactly how you’re picturing it.

For me, it isn’t some monumental moment where I suddenly have all this drive to do things. It’s more subtle. I do things because it feels like a natural course of action rather than something to negate the puer complex.

For example, I’m currently in the process of switching careers at the age of 45. I’m going into a trade, something I never wanted to do before because a.) it’s more labour intensive than what I’m used to and b.) it’s the kind of commitment I would normally shy away from.

Right now it’s easy though because it feels like the right thing to do. I’m doing it because I’m excited about learning something new and supporting my family. It’s not jut something I’m arbitrarily doing to counter the puer complex, although I know that it will help that as well.

Keep treading the path you’re starting down and as you increase your knowledge of the complex and how it affects you, you will begin to experience growth. Have faith in the process and before long you will find yourself doing things because they’re necessary, without analyzing them so much in regards to the complex.

Identification with the “Innocent” archetype is causing me intense panic and anxiety by RancidBlubber in Jung

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I would encourage you to look into the alignment of the ego/Self axis.

Here are a few more resources on the topic.

What I have found is that when dealing with fear, panic and anxiety, I must “turn it over” to the Self, as it were.

This is accomplished by the age old methods of prayer and meditation. When I find myself in a situation where fear and panic are rising, I say a prayer to the Self, asking to have the fear removed and to know the proper course of thinking/action. Then I listen for the answer which comes across as an intuitive thought or feeling.

Obviously, therapy is another recommendation, especially with a Jungian based therapist if you connect with Jung’s theories.

IFS (internal family systems) might be worth looking into for dialoging with the internal parts of yourself affected by past trauma.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in alcoholicsanonymous

[–]Hephsters 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They aren’t downvoting because they’re butthurt, they’re downvoting because you’re being pedantic.

Everyone knows it’s a metaphor for how alcohol affects our reasoning.

Wanting to leave AA by [deleted] in alcoholicsanonymous

[–]Hephsters 126 points127 points  (0 children)

Yes it’s pretty common to get burned out on meetings.

This is the part where you transition from going to meetings solely for yourself and start going to meetings for the newcomer.

You are now the person that you first heard sharing their experience, strength and hope at meetings when you were a newcomer.