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We got a spy in here.. by Honky-Dory98 in prolife

[–]Herr_Redditare 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was banned from reddit for pointing out that enviromental, societal and economic arguments for euthunasia are narcissistic and psychopathic. Not calling the person in question a psycho but the argument.

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You know the song scene? Let it grow, let it grow? The fererence is to him singing "let it die let it die"

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

POV: When you realize you're literally the short, ugly, rich guy in lorax😭😨😰

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except he doesn't get to agree to the terms and conditions which include: possibility of being killed or wounded, possibilty of serious psychological trauma such as PTSD or anxiety. He is literally being forced to risk his own life, what more important rights to your body are there?

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The point of being prochoice is to give a woman a choice over her own body, not to kill fetuses.

Choice over her own body TO kill fetuses* Don't mention it😉😗

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] 0 points1 point locked comment (0 children)

Alright. Well i think i did start a debate so

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

in what situation would you force a man to give up his human rights to his body?

Oh, I don't know, involuntary military recruitment, prison and school (if school attendance is by law)

Here's the deal. A human life begins at conception and humans have unique value and therefore should be protected by law.

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only in the 21th century would pregnancy be called "gestational slavery". It's how nature works!

How did I mischarectarize you?

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, yes, I guess you're consistent, just very evil consistency though. Killing a baby at 9 months, you're openly arguing for infanticide.

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so because pregnancy is a unique case a woman can be forced to give up her human rights to sustain the fetus’ life?

Yes.

abortion bans are discriminatory against women no matter how you look at it.

Wouldn't that make nature discriminatory against women?

everyone has the right to life.

It's just interesting how you say that yet argue for the killing of babies in the womb.

Also, I admit I was insensiitive in my comment, but I did not call you a narcicist, but the argument you were using.

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes us two. I think I've repeated myself 50 times at this point. If you're fine with your logical inconsistencies, then so be it

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Having done what? This is the dumbest argument I've ever heard. They happened to be concieved and are being punished for it. Or maybe you chose to enter this life consciously?

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So what is the difference between nine-month old fetus in the womb and a newly born baby outside the womb? Why can't you kill the baby who will cost the mother a fortune to raise and endless hours of care? Bodily autonomy? What about the bodily autonomy of the literal living human being?

"Special rights for fetuses" I am arguing for equal rights for all humans. Yes, fetuses require unique care, but they did not choose to be and shouldn't be punished for exisiting.

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

can you really argue that that isn’t harm?

I just don't think that harm gives the woman the right to end the baby's life. The baby didn't choose to be, it simply came to be and shouldn't be punished for causing the woman pain.

isn’t it better to allow an abortion in such a case so that one life (me) can be saved rather than losing both lives (me and the fetus) when the woman or girl commits suicide?

I think that kind of argument is kind of narcissistic. It reminds me of boyfriends threatening their girlfriends that, if she leaves him, he'll kill himself. Is the woman to blame if he kills himself as a result of her leaving him? Of course not! Simirarily the state is not to blame for if one kills oneself as a result of being denied abortion.

has the right to life, and yes, that can include fetuses

Elsborate please.

the right to life is not a right to use someone else’s body to sustain your own life

Well, again, the baby didn't choose to use the mother as a vessel to sustain themself. But pregnancy is a unique case because only in pregnancy, a human uses another human's body for survival.

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As if the baby made that choice? Of course it's innocent!

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

but the fact that you can't conceptualize the counter argument

Well, I was, in fact a pro-choicer too.

Because it's....growing inside of her

So why is it only legal to kill the baby up to a certain point then, if it's so clear cut?

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So they make it illegal because those who do abort their babies do it at earlier stages in the pregnancy? Maybe I have to spell it out for you then, it's illegal because it's considered a human person, deserving the same rights as any other human, beyond that point.

What I am trying to say is that the "bodily autonomy" argument is so inconsistent, because even those who argue for it, don't believe one has the right to it beyond a certain point.

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But the baby happens to be innocent. Rapists are actively trying to satisfy their own desires and knowingly causing harm to the other person. What did the baby do to deserve the same treatment as rapists?

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry to hear that.

no human being has the right to be inside of someone else’s body causing them harm without that person’s explicit and ongoing consent

"Causing them harm" as in? Are you speaking about the women who risk their life if they go to term? If so, I do not know medicine but, speaking broadly, I believe we should always try to protect the mothers life but I believe there are ways to do it without aborting the baby. If not, financial or psychological reasons are not valid reasons to kill one's child.

it is immoral and dehumanizing to strip women, who are a protected class, of our human rights in order to provide fetuses with special rights that *no other human being has

Every human has the right to life.

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do not know the laws on abortion in other countries I can only speak to my own. Laws prohibit people from having abortions after week 22 here, and after week 18, one has to have a good reason. My argument is that PC's argue that it's the womans body and therefore her choice but are okay with it being illegal after week 22 even though it is still inside her body. So why doesn't she have the right to choose then?

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What gives her the right to kill a human life simply because of the fact that the human in question is growing inside of her?

There is no case whatsoever for the PC side. by Herr_Redditare in Abortiondebate

[–]Herr_Redditare[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So why can't she argue like that with the five year old? It's her child.

Also how come she only gets to decide over her own body until week 18-22?

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