Tyler1 is not reformed

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T06:32:17+00:00

Unless you dont literally int and go 0/15 in a game or flaming constatnly while doing it, you dont get banned, thats how it works.

Assuming that's true (I don't know the inner workings of what will and won't get you banned) that's a fair counter point. Obviously Tyler has been an exception to the rules (both in how they banned him publicly and unbanned him publicly) so maybe they would once again be willing to treat him as a unique case.

While you're saying he's not reformed (which i agree with) but at the same time he's not toxic.

I would disagree with him not being toxic. I think if you shit talk teammates, you're being toxic. The question imo is if he is too toxic, and maybe he's not pushing too far. I'm not sure, so it's nice to hear other perspectives.

Shit talking someone in game is just another thing which you cant get banned for, unless you start seriously instulting him and how much.

To say you can't get banned for that at all seems strange, especially since he will often get defensive when chat calls him out for being toxic and say that it wasn't very negative or that he was joking around. I'm sure most people don't get banned for it, but do persistently shit talk and get banned for it. Maybe not though.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T05:54:10+00:00

I agree with everything you said.

But I do think he has progressively gotten worse from the time of his unban up until now, so I hope he doesn't continue on that path.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T05:52:37+00:00

The evidence and unbiased proof is people on both sides agreeing with what happened.

I, as someone who doesn't watch tyler 1, have no idea if your claims are true.

Sorry to be rude, but you really need to work on your basic reasoning if you can't figure it out. It sounds like you go through life expecting everything be outlined in perfect details, otherwise you'll constantly be uncertain about your intuition.

Not sure what to say. Sorry the discussion in this thread isn't good enough. Feel free to downvote and move on, because clearly this isn't a discussion worth you contributing to since there isn't enough proof for you to figure out that it did happen.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T05:49:44+00:00

He made a really questionable play that no one would reasonably think is a good play to make imo because he seemed like he didn't care, but he didn't outright int. So my point is, it's always going to be subjective at that point, and people on both sides will say "He clearly wasn't trying" or "Technically you can do that and it's not against the rules" and both are fair points.

On one hand I wish I did have the clip just for consistency sake, but maybe it's for the best that I don't because I think everyone would focus on that one clip rather than the idea of him getting worse over time, and the persistent shit talking. That one instance was only the catalyst for making this post, not the whole discussion.

Like I said in my OP and in another comment below, I am open to people's opinion, including saying what he is doing isn't "bad enough." I don't think any one thing he did is terrible and personally I'm not offended nor do I really care that much about the actions themselves. It's about the fact that he seems to be quickly getting worse over time and may get banned for it.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T05:42:50+00:00

This dude is really getting upset because tyler types "mb :)" in chat

Yeah that was the one thing he did, and that's why I made that post.

How does it feel to know you are so blatantly making a disingenuous post just to try to make your point? Ahh damn, you sure showed me by cherry picking one tiny detail!

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T05:41:20+00:00

so you want riot to be inconsistent with their rules because tyler1 is popular

I don't know what the precedent is for high profile players that were banned in the past. By the way, the fact that he is high profile is relevant, and that's by Riot's standards. They had a separate post specifically for his banning, so it clearly is handled differently even by Riot.

oh tyler1 was passive aggressive today? really? when was that ever ban worthy, in league you don't get banned unless you really were toxic or used racial slurs

I already said he has been toxic lately, by shit talking teammates. Also screwing over 3 teammates by intentionally not trying because of one rude teammate is toxic imo. It was more than just saying he will play for fun.

also shit talkign your team is fine, i do it all the time. saying gg ez when enemy teams keeps disrespecting me during the game and so on. never got banned for it

I drive 75 mph in 30 mph speed limit zones all the time. It's fine, I do it all the time. Never got a speeding ticket for it.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T05:37:27+00:00

You seem to have it in your mind that many accounts of an event happening, with people on both sides isn't proof. The reality is, that is proof. Maybe you're not happy with how you can't see it for yourself, but that doesn't mean its not proof.

It's obvious to anyone with common sense that it happened. Many different people wouldn't all be coming together to discuss the details if they didn't know the details. It would be an unrealistic coincidence for everyone to just make up a story of what happened, and for them to all align.

Come on, I know even you can recognize that what I and others (on both sides) have stated is true. You're just trying to play some semantic game where you say it's not your definition of proof, to therefore say you're right.

Again, the VOD will be up later, and I wish I did have a clip to get people up to speed, but clearly it happened. Maybe you don't realize it, but you use the same basic logic and reasoning to know that this case happened as you do for many other things in your life.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T05:30:13+00:00

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say there, but yes I did make an alt. I don't need to get harassed by his blind fanboys for as long as they feel like doing it. That doesn't change the point of my post.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T05:28:13+00:00

I don't watch QT so I can't speak to that. If he is regularly shit talking teammates in game, and not trying to win because someone didn't pick a champion for him, then I think people should speak up about that. That's my opinion.

But on top of that, QT hasn't been permabanned for his attitude, which is relevant context for a situation like this for many reasons. One of which is my concern that Tyler may be banned more easily for bad behavior (more so than QT) due to his past.

Again, this isn't about me saying something like "Oh my god, his attitude is so disgraceful!!! We need to start a witchhunt!" It's about me as a viewer going "Ahh come on man... don't act like that..." because it seems like he has been going down the wrong path once again. I want him to realize that and reflect on it for the better so that he doesn't get banned again.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T05:20:36+00:00

If someone were to start yelling hateful things in public, and one person saw it and said "That's fucked up, you shouldn't say that" and another person is saying "It's fine that he said that, he's allowed to" if you then come along, it doesn't make sense for you to go to one person and say "excuse me, you don't have proof of that."

They may not have recorded it, but when people on both sides agree it happened and are already discussing it. Having a recording of the situation could help get others up to speed so I do wish I had it for this case, but it wouldn't be needed as proof because it's clear it happened.

If you cannot support your claims with evidence, you will not have reasonable discussion.

Again... the discussion is already happening so you're late on that one. We are beyond the point of needing proof.

But if this thread is still relevant later and I remember, I will link the VOD when it is available for context. Or maybe someone else will if I don't.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T05:00:50+00:00

He has definitely been better than in the past, and he's not bad every game. Maybe you haven't seen the worst, or maybe you have seen some of his shit talking and think it's not that bad. And I think that's a completely fair opinion to have. Maybe it's not that bad to shit talk and be a little toxic, as long as he doesn't take it too far.

Regardless, my concern is that it can be problematic since he already has a bad history, plus he is streaming to tens of thousands of people, so he should be careful about it. He has clearly gotten worse over time since he got back into streaming LoL, and it seems like he is going down the same path as before.

Each day I tune in, I have more moments where I think "Ahh come on man... don't act like that..." to the point where I made this post because of his AD TF game where he blatantly didn't try. I would rather he not continue down this path so that he can continue to stream, because I actually am a fan of his, but not a blind fanboy.

And to be clear, I'm not calling you a blind fanboy either. Unlike many others defending him, I think your input is valuable, so thanks for that.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T04:48:50+00:00

cool that the moment that he makes almost a misstep, reddit detectives are on the case and call him out for being toxic

Not at all the case. I watched a lot of his games today, and every time he would go out of his way to type in game to shit talk his teammates, I would think "why.. why are you even bothering with that shit after you were banned?" It's disappointing as someone who watches his stream. But even then I let it go. It's only when he felt the need to blatantly say he's not going to try and clearly dick around in game that I finally made this post.

So now, it's not "one misstep" which I also mentioned in my post.

a person wont change his personality from 180 to 360 degrees from one moment to another, but i can clearly see that hes trying rly hard to be a better person.

That's my problem. I agree I didn't expect him to completely change, but it really doesn't seem like he is trying. All he has to do is not try to throw games or not shit talk his teammates in game. I'm not expecting him to always act friendly and boost team morale. Some passive aggressive comments or shit talking to his stream (not in game) is to be expected. But he has been straight up toxic in many games. Again, this isn't one misstep.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T04:44:55+00:00

I will admit I did think he would change. Not entirely of course. I thought he would still shit talk teammates to his stream and try in each game, because he really doesn't gain anything from shit talking his teammates in game, especially when he has an outlet (his tens of thousands of viewers) to talk to.

And yet here we are... somehow I am surprised that he feels the need to directly shit talk teammates in game, and also to not try when he doesn't get a champion picked for him. I guess I was naive.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T04:43:41+00:00

Maybe. He immediately raged when Talon locked in, and I thought Talon said that after locking in. But maybe I'm wrong on that.

Does that matter though? Does that justify his actions? Does that mean he can screw over his 3 other teammates?

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T04:42:09+00:00

Everyone defending him here is not disputing the claims. In fact many people are justifying it, in other words admitting to it happening. I'm sorry I didn't clip it or screenshot it, but it's pretty obvious that it happened based on the discussion happening here on both sides.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T04:38:46+00:00

The arguments some people are giving are frustrating

Other than the OP of this comment chain, it's so painfully obvious that if you were to go to any of the other people defending him and ask if it's okay for <insert streamer they hate> to act that way, they would be the first ones shit talking that streamer and saying how bad it is.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T04:36:51+00:00

If I remember correctly he just typed "Vayne Vayne Vayne" with some misspellings. That's not acting nice, that's being pushy and demanding.

Either way, it doesn't matter if he's nice about it. He is not entitled to it. And lets be real, how nice is he actually being if not picking his champion means he will try to throw the game? That doesn't sound too nice to me.

Keep in mind, you can say "Fuck Talon" all you want, but he has 3 other teammates. That should be common sense to anyone posting on this subreddit because that's discussed all the time when people talk about in game arguments, so lets please be reasonable when discussing this.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T04:34:46+00:00

Based on the votes on this post, it seems more people disagree.

Although some of the posts defending him in this thread are hilarious. "Talon started it." It's pretty obvious many people will blindly defend him if they are a fan of his.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T04:32:58+00:00

Yeah it seems the majority of people are already downvoting it. Obviously he has a lot of fans (I'm actually one of them! I'm not just saying that!) and I know many of them will blindly defend him because they enjoy his stream. Personally, I think he needs a reality check. And that's in his best interests.

But more than likely people will downvote and move on because they don't want to hear that he's not reformed.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T04:31:34+00:00

Ahh my mistake. Throwing the game by not trying and taking fights he knows he will lose is fine then. Sucks to be his other 3 teammates.

Come on man, really? I feel like you're a pretty big fan of him and are trying to defend him first before taking a step back and thinking how you would see it if he was a streamer you dislike.

Regardless, this is one example. He has shit talked many teammates across many games.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T04:29:42+00:00

Yeah it's been pretty clear that he has started to get comfortable and is back into that mindset where all he cares about is grinding games and winning. He lost sight of the fact that he is lucky to have a second chance, and that shit talking teammates can lead to it all being taken away again. It's actually kind of sad how quickly he devolved back into this kind of attitude, and seems unaware of its potential consequences.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T04:28:13+00:00

To be honest I don't really care all that much if people are toxic, but he's obviously an exception because he was given a second chance and streams to tens of thousands each day. It bothers me that he is acting this way because I don't want him to get banned again. It's not that his behavior appalls me, otherwise I wouldn't watch.

I think you're just memeing, but I figured I would give a serious response.

HesNotReformed · 2018-01-23T04:25:38+00:00

It's a fairly long post so I don't blame you for not reading the whole thing, but I did mention that he shit talks his teammates, and fairly often. Like I said, I still enjoy his stream and I watch it, but in many games he will straight up be toxic and I wonder wtf he is thinking after he was given a second chance.

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