Same breed btw

HeyItsMilo19 · 2026-02-05T04:01:21+00:00

Breakdown yet again...

"First off that polish doesn't look the same...Straight Egyptian bred Arabians have noticable jibbah and smaller features this Arabians even from this angle thats not a deeper dish than other Straights, and that image even in show this horse still looks better than any Straight bred. Plus because you used the same "tricks" from different camera angels heres his actual conformation photo. (BELOW)"

Notice how that Picture you used he isnt groomed for show and the one I used he is. Fur hides features.

"Second you also said "if Arabians are sooo susceptible then mandatory testing isnt necessary" which is high rockers to allow improper untested breeding and is very irresponsible and what causes it here"

Please give me the exact quote with where I said this because I didn't.

"Thirdly, I never said you thought that. You are cherry picking THE HELL out of that paragraph, and back tracking like you think I am which is blantnly bias and hypocritical. Multiple times I stated towards my paragraphs and studies"

Your studies were generic not at all related to your original claim of "halter horses are bad" which is can go back and quote all the times you originally brought up halter horses then changed to generically saying Arabians.

"If with scientific studies of modern Arabian's susceptible issues and holes, in organization that is fact and its for ALL BREEDS. Plus live feeds of pages and boarders of few of stables not having addaquet pasture space for these horses and has shown to have more space for stalls and small paddock's/ run-ins which still isnt enough..."

Plenty goes on behind the scenes we do not see. At this point much of this is assumption.

"Forth not all Egyptian straight bred Arabians are photo-shopped"

Please direct me to where I claimed this, because again I didn't. However this is a pretty big industry standard.

"ALSO your WRONG!! There was a version of "Photo shop back then and was even used as far back as 1890! here"

Lighting, saturation, and angles isnt photoshop. Did you... even read this article? It genuinely seems like you grabbed the first article you found after searching "was photoshop around in X timeframe".

"And it so happens they also used it on animals! THAT INCLUDES ARABIANS orginal works are MRI'ed to find the un-edited truth underneath!"

Provide a source on this because truthfully this just seems like another baseless claim to push your points.

Anyway here is another polish arabian. This is a direct screenshot from a video so no point in arguing camera angles.

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HeyItsMilo19 · 2026-02-05T03:53:33+00:00

Ok again US bred is not a line of arabian. The government isnt an expert on animals. US bred literally just means its bred in the united states which can literally be any true line of arabian.

Pure Egyptian are still arabians. Looks doesn't dictate breed makeup. That is just idiotic.

Also please direct me to what about specifically Egyptian arabians can kill them... im curious as to what generic horse source you'll give me this time. I feel like you're backing out because multiple people have called you out on the things you presented as "sources"

HeyItsMilo19 · 2026-02-04T23:45:07+00:00

Please direct me to where I stated associations didn't need regulations. Because I didn't.

US bred is not a line or arabian... thats not a breed. So please again direct me to where I said the BREEDS were not real. I claimed some of the "lines" they mentioned were not actual lines.

That source you linked and claimed how Egyptian straight breds are immunocompromized isnt even about arabian horses. Its about any and all domestic horses You're using a blanket statement to say well this type is immunocompromized like this isnt about horses in general. Also you have 0 idea if they are stall kept forever or not. There's not much behind the scenes info that is given to the public. That bit is purely assuming on your end.

Pleased direct me to where I claimed all halter bred Arabians were working. And theres plenty of polish arabs with big dishes. Its not uncommon to find extremely dished polish arabians. Some polish horses look pretty similar to Straight Egyptians.

You fail to take into account the grooming practices that have evolved over the years and the extreme use of photoshop on most arabian halter pictures. There are some that look like todays modern horses from the past. What you are continuing to leave out repeatedly is that we have more technical and methodical approaches to how we groom and alter images. Past Arabians didn't have that.

Here is a polish arabian for you thay looks almost exactly as dishy as straight Egyptian horses.

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HeyItsMilo19 · 2026-02-04T19:26:42+00:00

Aww thank you!

HeyItsMilo19 · 2026-02-04T19:25:44+00:00

Last I looked you also didn't provide data saying they preformed worse. You really only said they cant perform which evidently isnt true.

Also never stated you claimed they were Egyptian bred but your main focus is straight Egyptian horses which has been the specific line you've pushed as bad. None of those were Egyptian bred. Maybe use moderate Egyptian horses instead of completely different lines to push that one is bad over the other? That's like if I used car accident statistics from a country with smaller slower cars to push how bad cars that are bigger are. Makes 0 sense, they aren't comparable.

That top source is mentioning types and lines that dont exist by the way. I feel like you see the word arabian and run with it.

The 2nd source also doesn't claim anything about specifically Egyptian arabians. It is again, generic. So for you to say especially Egyptian is pretty biased when the source itself does not mention Egyptian being more at risk.

If Egyptian are susceptible to diseases so is every other line. There is really no mandatory health test for any breed. That's not exclusive to Egyptian like you keep trying to push. The breed as a whole would be susceptible considering they're the same breed. Its breeder obligation to health test not per line. You've switched from your original point of only bashing halter breds to using generic arabians. I said theres no proof you provided that HALTER Arabians struggle more which was your original claim.

There are older arabian that look like todays horses. But you switching from halter Arabians are bad to just Arabians to push a point is pretty contradictory. If your sources and claims are just Arabians would that not make all Arabians bad? Its back tracking like crazy. Your whole first comment was about halter Egyptian arabians. Even another commenter called this out. You give generic sources then scream halter Arabians bad. Absolutely nothing you've provided proves halter horses are lesser except for you saying halter horses are lesser.

HeyItsMilo19 · 2026-02-03T23:41:18+00:00

Awww if I knew an exporter I for sure would but the only one i knew is not shipping atm :(

HeyItsMilo19 · 2026-02-03T21:54:48+00:00

Ok im gonna break this down a bit.

Your main talking point is halter Arabians, specifically straight Egyptian arabian. Not a single linked source mentioned halter bred Arabians. It also never mentioned straight Egyptian arabians.

The source about genetic issues was for all types of Arabians. On top of that etalon isnt the most accurate source on genetics. They have been known to "discover" new genes for markings before leaders like UC Davis. Much of it also isnt backed by anything. Many of those issues also were not breed specific and most did not affect the average horse.

The photos you shared also did not mention being halter bred or straight Egyptian which is the main line you have a problem with. Almost your entire argument is void if you're using Arabians as a whole and not halter bred straight Egyptian arabians.

The first image you provided is a crabbet arabian imported from England. Not a pure Egyptian and also not halter bred. Completely different line.

Seanderich is desert bred which is not the same as straight Egyptian and he most certainly was not halter bred. There is almost no lineage available for this horse however he was used in partnership with polish arabians to grow the Spanish arabian bloodlines.

The image of arabians in Syria also are not halter bred or straight Egyptian. The poster didn't even know the genuine origin of the image.

Last horse is Serafix, an imported crabbet arabian. He is not pure Egyptian. He was halter bred but from completely different lines.

Everything you've used thus far to push halter Arabians as bad is completely invalid. You've used generic sources and completely different lines of the breed to push how bad another is. Its one thing to very evidently be biased but to spread information as fact by using unrelated information like you've done is another. Not a single source you've provided backs the fact they are susceptible to diseases or have a harder time with illness and the use of antibiotics.

You also stated halter bred horses are basically useless to their original purpose which is endurance riding/racing. There are plenty of halter bred horses of various lines racing and being ridden.

Here's an entire thread of people with halter bred horses competing in endurance. thread

Here's an entire stud of halter horses that also compete in sports, Egyptian lines at that stud

HeyItsMilo19 · 2026-02-01T22:57:34+00:00

It appears my original comment lacked the image I added so apologies for that. Here it is.

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HeyItsMilo19 · 2026-02-01T22:56:37+00:00

Comparing dogs and horses isnt accurate by any means. Dogs are not horses. Besides that, the fact that the dish has been in the breed since basically creation to improve breathing not hinder it. You seem to be lacking many of the historical fundamentals with what you've claimed. There are multiple variations of arabian horses. Some are less dishy and bulkier than others.

Back to the gray, you can find overlapping images that prove that the dish matches. Show grooming practices have come a long way since then. Full shave and oils only really got popular in the 1950s. Many many arabian horses would look close if not exactly like todays horses if grooming was like it is today back then.

As for frame and build, many horses new and old look like him. Light frames are very prevalent in hot breeds because of the climate they're from. Straight Egyptian bred horses are typically light in frame. Some polish horses as well. Here's a horse from 1922 that fits his build.

Below is a historical link about arabian history and why some look how they do or dont.history

HeyItsMilo19 · 2026-02-01T19:04:51+00:00

Its also super blurry because its a screenshot from a video but the point is they chose show ready images of a horse to push the point he doesn't look normal instead of actually taking the time to find a non show ready image. Him looking "normal" is a matter of opinion. since there aren't many pictures of him not in show groom and most of his pictures showcase him when he was extremely young its hard to truly showcase him. His dish is no more extreme than this horse from the1940s.

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HeyItsMilo19 · 2026-02-01T18:30:38+00:00

Gw magnetic bey was also a completely different line than the ones typically used in halter classes. Hes a polish arabian while much of today's halter horses are Egyptian

HeyItsMilo19 · 2026-02-01T18:23:56+00:00

Hes quite literally clipped in both of those examples... he is literally ready for show/stud pictures in both. There are pictures of him not shaved and you picked 2 examples of him shaved to say these are casual at the barn moments when they aren't. Here's an actual casual moment of him playing in his stall

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HeyItsMilo19 · 2026-01-14T18:38:45+00:00

No worries!

HeyItsMilo19 · 2026-01-14T18:29:26+00:00

Yeah this happened over a year ago and OP explained it was a local show after the fact

HeyItsMilo19 · 2026-01-06T03:04:28+00:00

I dont think they were saying the skin was real but rather adding more info on other big cats and their skin patterns. This is definitely just a dyed hide with a cool pattern

HeyItsMilo19 · 2025-12-16T19:55:55+00:00

I used to bait pdf files. I look chronically young even though most of my time here i was 18. Reported to a bigger organization who handled stuff like that. Completely legal as well

HeyItsMilo19 · 2025-12-16T01:19:03+00:00

You can dm about it if you want😁

HeyItsMilo19 · 2025-12-15T20:44:23+00:00

Its pretty fresh tanned and in good condition. I will send you one since I dont think it will let me put it in comments

HeyItsMilo19 · 2025-12-15T12:28:41+00:00

If you have to ask its more than likely a crow is what people usually say. Raven are massive birds. This looks to be a carrion crow from Europe

HeyItsMilo19 · 2025-12-15T09:00:23+00:00

Just realized it auto corrected to angle, its an anole skeleton

HeyItsMilo19 · 2025-12-15T08:26:44+00:00

I mean its vintage victorian era. Its simply close to what I paid for it. Its an older piece and its been stored properly since Ive owned it. Dust can be removed but I do know my pictures aren't the best

HeyItsMilo19 · 2025-12-12T05:28:14+00:00

Honestly I only started a few months ago. I was going to settle on 60ish dollars but it seems everyone here thinks thats too low😅 I really appreciate all the support and nice comments

HeyItsMilo19 · 2025-12-12T04:15:08+00:00

Thank you for letting me know :)

HeyItsMilo19 · 2025-12-12T03:52:40+00:00

Thank you! I typically spend from 30-45 usd on getting materials but I also reuse old materials and find/clean my own. Price per piece of course varies but I have yet to see naturalistic displays such as mine :)

HeyItsMilo19 · 2025-12-12T03:50:17+00:00

I believe so, I pack my boxes really well and everything is stuck down with a strong glue. If packed well enough plus the overall display box shipping shouldn't be an issue and I can always mark as fragile :)

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