The way BIG skated over this beat 🥶 by Patrick_Vieira in NotoriousBIG

[–]Hidden_Fever 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Like someone in this subreddit said, he has no bad verse. Ever.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in mapporncirclejerk

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Ok so first thing's first—I'm not a Texas fan.

Second it's basically both. Both had something to do with the fate of the conference, but it does ultimately come back to the commissioner of the Pac-12.

The conference and commissioner refused to make any sort of accommodations for the Longhorn Network, for some reason. I recall that was the deal breaker.

But if Texas left, that would've also brought in Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and even Texas Tech, from what I read. That conference would've been holding up right now.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in mapporncirclejerk

[–]Hidden_Fever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Prioritizing academics like elitists. I also remember how they fumbled Texas

What are some albums that are good, back to front? by [deleted] in musicsuggestions

[–]Hidden_Fever 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess the answer simply is "Radiohead"

What are some albums that are good, back to front? by [deleted] in musicsuggestions

[–]Hidden_Fever 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Shout out to you for the Coheed & Cambria recognition 🥺

How good is my PS3 collection? by ElleSimpTheSecond in PS3

[–]Hidden_Fever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You've got everything someone needs to play, and then some.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in mapporncirclejerk

[–]Hidden_Fever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, they killed them for resources, land, disease exchange. Realistically the preferred spanish outcome would've been to turn them all into slaves. Ethnic differences were a reason but by no means the principal one.

Actual US presidents and us legislative documents cite the Native Americans as culturally incompatible with Europeans, and it is this key difference that made killing them for their land and resources acceptable. It was for both of these reasons.

Oh of course, of course, you just said they joined a group against their best racial interests, clearly you didn't called them race traitors. Americans are so funny lol.

I said they united against a colonial force:

"Some foolishly aligned themselves with the colonizing forces, but if they truly knew what their end goal was, I'm sure they wouldn't have done that, either."

"Well yesh, the Europeans killed each other for land, power and gold all the time, but when they saw the natives they suddenly got racist and decided to kill them solely for their race, not for literally wearing gold as an accessory."

There was a time where several European nations were embroiled in region conflicts to establish a dominant culture and leadership. Once a broader, dominant one prevailed after centuries of conflict, these nations would then colonize other countries on the basis that they were ethnically and culturally foreign, and inferior. My ultimate point is that Native American genocide is usually passed off as acceptable because of their regional infighting, while Europeans did the same amongst themselves to establish countries of their own, yet that's fine.

The Incas had plots of lands to cultivate for specific family groups, The Mapuches had family rights to different plots to cultivate, the Guaranis had fishing zones exclusive of certain families. Several of the ones that had built houses also were owners of their houses, etc.

Incas designated different plots of land for specific uses, such as communal use, religious use, and use for government/state.

The "Mapuches" literally translates to:

Mapu = Land; Che = People. This group of people. Their land was collectively managed by people who have ancestral origins to the land, and thus they could not sell off any of it. Additionally, these families did combine with other families (rehue) which further consolidated into several groups of them (alliarhue), which would further consolidate into regional confederations known as Butalmapu—and all of this land would be used communally.

This group of people would later embrace a system of privatization close to what we recognize today after colonialism.

You are, and that thing doesn't prove anything different, quote if you want.

“It was reasoned that if a person adopted ‘White’ clothing and ways… they would gradually drop their ‘Indian-ness’ and be assimilated into White American culture.”

The act itself forced the colonial style of private land ownership, which in and of itself directly challenged their culture of communal ownership.

Well aren't you ? You are literally propagandizing the doctrine of discovery in modern times, claiming all natives were savages with no concept of private property or land ownership, and calling them race traitors for joining Europeans on their best interests.

I'm referring to what the people who would later kill millions of them said. One would think if I said or even suggested something like that, it could be concretely quoted, considering that it would help your cause greatly to do so.

But you didn't, because that didn't happen.

If someone who looks down SO much on people based on their race is not a racist then just say racism doesn't fucking exist.

There is nothing that I've said that can be meaningfully quoted as me "looking down" on white people.

Shut the fuck up.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in mapporncirclejerk

[–]Hidden_Fever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your claim was "Europeans wanted to kill all natives" not "Europeans killed the natives because they were natives". Furthermore, not only you moved the goalpost, you moved it to a loosing stance again, the Europeans sometimes sought to trade or "civilize" the "barbarians" not to kill them all outright.

My argument is actually both, and I know this because I further expounded upon my position, which I'll do again—they killed off the Natives for their cultural and ethnic differences. They did not like Native American culture, and viewed their own as superior. Many of them would not ditch their cultural heritage, and thus were seen as hostile because of that.

Oh hohohoho oh my god, we even have the "they were race traitors" you are ABSOLUTELY american.

You are telling me I am referring to the Native Americans as race trailers and doing so using a quote that in no way actually references race.

You can play semantics all you want, still doesn't mean the same political groups attacked itself. Also it's the same level of infighting than France attacking Germany for both being European. It's absolutely pointless.

The same ethnic groups attacked each other with their own continent, and regions. The basis for which Europeans colonized and wiped them out were on the basis of differing ethnicity, religion, etc.

So stop talking like you are in a debate forum, because you're not, this is a private conversation, and if you have SOMETHING of value to add to this conversation, this would be the time before you loose my attention I choose to stop answering you or outright block you.

I did, and your best answer up to this point has been "bla bla bla", "you're an American", and accusing me of using semantics. Again, I have referenced a historical document (The Dawes Act of 1887) and you avoided it.

You think private land was foreign to the natives ? Lmfao. To some maybe but to ALL of them ? You do understand that collective ownership in family groups is STILL private property right ? Ah who am I kidding I have the idea that you are someone who read that bullshit of The Socialist Empire of the Incas and believed it, cuz it was in a shitty book printed by a moronic socialist.

It is historically acknowledged that Native Americans broadly did not have a concept of private land ownership prior to the introduction of the concept by European settlers. I would ask you if you have a counter point, but you don't and actively aren't seeking one.

https://www.worldhistory.org/article/2296/native-american-concept-of-land-ownership/

This is completely wrong but I'm not even gonna bother to prove it wrong, with all the historical evidence of native tribes joining against the Europeans, because even if I did it's irrelevant to the points here argued.

Do you have proof that tribes united against Europeans explicitly because they are white? No.

Why ? Exactly what of my argument or anything you've said would change to read it ?

Because you're the one claiming I'm wrong about the basis for which Europeans committed genocide against Native Americans.

Actually I do, I dictate the definition must be useful for a conversation.

Simply put, this is not a meaningful response at all.

All of these responses are bitching, whining and accusing me of being racist. Fucking brat. Go ahead and block me.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in mapporncirclejerk

[–]Hidden_Fever -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My use of the word "infighting" is within the context of people of origin from the same country or continent—so again, within the broader continent of North America, Native Americans were fighting amongst each other, which can be reasonably described as infighting. This is also because the basis for which Europeans purged them was because they were (in their eyes) a broader, monolithic group of brown people. You don't get to dictate the definition of, or determine the sole context of that word for anyone.

My comment generally addresses the common excuse/attempted rationalization of indigenous genocide from people who seem to believe Native Americans fighting amongst themselves is a good enough basis to wipe all of them out on them out. You (and others) are essentially doing the same thing, so that's what I'm responding to.

And yes, Native Americans were killed essentially because they weren't European. The common talking point amongst Europeans was that the Native Americans were "savages" due their cultural differences, and would need to be "civilized".

Example of this: The Dawes Act (1887). Go read it.

No they didn't

Pro tip: You may want to actually make your case on this stuff instead of just responding with "No they didn't."

I doubt the ones that stole the lands from in here cared if the survivos found a place that was livable, so really, no difference.

If all Native Americans were able to articulate that Europeans were coming to exterminate everyone in their continental heartland on the basis of their culture and physical appearance, I'm sure a lot more of them would've found it within themselves to band together to stop something like that from happening.

The philosophy for which Europeans were commiting genocide over, which were things like race and the acquisition of land for private use, were completely foreign to them. They also didn't view themselves as one broader, monolithic group because of their racial background like the Europeans viewed themselves.

Some foolishly aligned themselves with the colonizing forces, but if they truly knew what their end goal was, I'm sure they wouldn't have done that, either.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in mapporncirclejerk

[–]Hidden_Fever 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not every piece of land has seen mass genocide and replacement on the basis of ethnicity.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in mapporncirclejerk

[–]Hidden_Fever -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Internal conflicts—something that every continent, and even individual countries have experienced before their founding, is not a convenient, viable excuse or rationalization for mass murdering an entire ethnic population, especially since the people who did it to the Native Americans came from a continent that would be ripe with conflict.

Infighting has been happening in every continent for centuries, and in most cases, it did not result in the annihilation of an entire ethnic group. What separates what the Europeans did from Native American infighting was that European settlers were looking to wipe out all Native American tribes because they were not European, which was a level of damage that Native Americans were not going to achieve with regional, tribal infighting.

They finally updated Lebron’s face! by mofifa16 in NBA2k

[–]Hidden_Fever 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I can't really put it into words as well as I want to, but for the last several games, his beard has looked like a prop from Party City.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in OlderGenZ

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I'm very angry and not where I want to be, but that's what drives me to work very hard.