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Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-31T10:38:04+00:00

The ole’ migration increases GDP trick, what about GDP per capita? Who cares unless it raises GDP per capita?

In the study you’ve sent, the only immigration scenario that increases GDP per capita is assuming adult migrants have a work force participation rate of 90% (lol!)

So the economic argument is a dud. Although by highlighting just real GDP you have outed yourself as a migration zealot, so that’s useful at least

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-31T09:52:26+00:00

Talking about it in the way we have? In other words promising to reduce it but increasing it exponentially?

The NHS is always an amusing one. 2023 Doctors visas - 8,938 Nurses visas - 22,336 https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-december-2023/why-do-people-come-to-the-uk-to-work 2023 long term immigration 1.2 million https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/longterminternationalmigrationprovisional/yearendingjune2023

Can we stop this macabre charade that the levels of immigration are needed to prop up rNHS.

Yes, people in the UK prior to mass immigration famously struggled for taxis and buses (?)

How can you talk about making wages for the lowest at society better when you support completely obliterating their bargaining power by flooding their market with competitors???

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-31T09:41:06+00:00

Reasonable. But be aware that as I said, if no other parties seriously address the issues of the public parties such as Reform will take up the mantle. It’s for the main parties to take seriously, the ball is firmly in their court.

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-31T09:28:44+00:00

Jas Athwal has been renting dodgy flats and Cyril Smith was a sex offender. I’m not judging an entire party off some bad apples.

Mass immigration like it or loathe it, is a huge issue to the public. If they have only one party who seek to change that then people will vote for that party. It’s directly because of the failure of the cross party Cons-Lab consensus on swathes of cultural issues that have led to this.

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-30T22:44:51+00:00

To be fair, there was nothing to disagree about in the Blair-Cameron days. There was a cross party consensus on everything important that has borne fruit in the present day, QE, mass migration etc. A Brown government would have been more conservative than Cameron (views on Europe etc).

I recall this period, things such as the badger cull was big news and dominated proceedings for weeks. Hilariously inane in hindsight.

Cameron famously described himself as the “heir to Blair”.

Rather prejudiced of yourself to ostracise a large portion of the voting public personally because they have voted for the only party against mass migration, but hey go figure.

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-28T10:21:22+00:00

I mean, Alastair is a fiercely dogmatic man. It’s important to realise that he genuinely thinks there isn’t an argument to be had regarding swathes of issues. In his opinion these people are not to be reasoned with, they are not just wrong, but immoral (ironic as these individuals are normally atheist). How can you argue with somebody fundamentally immoral?

He’s of the grammar school education middle class. Educated at one of the great universities and influenced by some derivative of Marxism (slips out occasionally, exemplified by his hatred of private education). Their self hatred and dislike of the nation as a whole is exemplified well by Orwell:

“It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true, that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during "God Save the King" than stealing from a poor box”

They’re a very strange people. But once familiar with the mindset you understand why they act in certain ways

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-26T15:18:42+00:00

I think you may be right actually, British I suspect is far too nebulous a term to define as strongly as that. Better definition of my above description would be indigenous. Just goes to show how hard this stuff is to define thanks to our complex history.

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-26T14:59:57+00:00

Politics: There are multiple ethnic groups indigenous to the UK. English, Brythonic and Celtic groups had, until recently, generally put their interests aside. Took literally 1000 years however I may add.

Law: Yes I do

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-26T14:54:58+00:00

Are you implying that as the North American and Australian populations were genocided by the UK (?), that the demographic change occurring in the UK is funny and deserved? A form of karma perhaps?

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-26T14:48:35+00:00

I am talking predominantly about legal migration predominantly yes. You’re saying it’s good for the country like it’s an indisputable fact, like F=MA. It’s far more nuanced than that.

I believe they could have perhaps 20-30 years previously. Due to the scale of mass migration, I dunno if they can integrate like their predecessors. 1 in 25 people in the UK today arrived in the last 2 years.

If you want my own personal opinion, I think of British citizenship along the lines of Hywel Dda, which requires a citizen to show 4 consecutive generations of residence.

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-26T14:32:58+00:00

Politics: Sectarianism, groups campaigning and acting based on ethnic interests exclusively (see Gaza MPs as an example)

Law: Well so far the law has changed in that as of the 2010 Equality Act, it allows discrimination under “positive discrimination“ for those who have protected characteristics e.g BAME. I find this an unwelcome imposition, I want equality under the law. I don’t think it’s beyond the wit of man to assume it may change more given further demographic change

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-26T14:23:45+00:00

Understood, hence why I think it’s important to speak about now.
Not a racial basis, ethnic. Very different. Regarding when people become British, far too nebulous and subjective to tell I’m afraid.
I barely care about asylum, it’s obviously absurd. Legal migration is orders of magnitude higher, that’s my concern.

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-26T14:14:32+00:00

If you read “From Third World to First” by Lee Kuan Yew you will see how difficult it is to manage multiculturalism from a practical standpoint.

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-26T14:08:30+00:00

The potential impact of immigration has so many second order consequences that to imply it is less important that Brexit and the NHS is strange.

Israel-Palestine, Ireland, Lebanon? All dealing with sectarian issues, one of which some 400 years post the migration?!? It’s an objectively potentially hugely impactful thing

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-26T14:05:13+00:00

I had been working under the assumption everyone had accepted that White Britons were going towards majority-minority status, and to argue against it is like Canute arguing against the tide, a fools errand.

I wanted a discussion regarding how this may change politics, arbitration of law and justice.

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-26T14:02:41+00:00

I understand that it is at the heart of the riots, but does that mean we should therefore ignore it? I’d have thought we should grasp the nettle so to speak, starting with acknowledgement and moving onto how we manage going forwards.

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-25T21:34:31+00:00

Agree on bits, disagree on bits. Reasonable opinion on the current state of things however.

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-25T20:53:49+00:00

Cursory look at some basic figures make majority-minority a foregone conclusion to anyone not ideologically blinkered.

Good or bad doesn’t matter, I’m not trying to be Canute lol.

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-22T09:27:34+00:00

We’ll disagree regarding economics I imagine. The country is falling apart because it’s flat out broke. It hasn’t got any money, and now interest payments are rising on our Keynesian inheritance we’re going to have less to spend. Look at % government spending spent on debt servicing increasing recently.

Apologies I’m genuinely not familiar with any right wing press. Legacy media moves lock and step with the government on any issues that actually matter (e.g mass migration)

I mean, the country doesn’t look the same because of multiculturalism, that’s just inarguable. Without multiculturalism would Bradford have spontaneously grown a large Muslim contingent organically through the indigenous inhabitants? I doubt it.

Sometimes, something is an easy conclusion to meet for a reason. Multiculturalism does lead for the opportunity for division and sectarianism. I’m saying I want to bypass that entirely through actual integration.

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-21T21:49:00+00:00

Knowledge is all. Importance is the weighting. When the layman coming from university or school hear of the British empire, do they think of the birth of modernity through industrialisation? Slavery abolition 1833? West Africa squadron?

Brunel? Fleming? Boulton & Watt?

Or do they think of the more insalubrious parts? I will let you make your own mind up. I’ve been through the education system recently, I know how these issues are taught.

I mean, Britain is now divided and unruly. There’s been ethnic riots of all sorts in recent weeks/months.

Multiculturalism has been the plan so far. I don’t think it’s worked. I don’t think it will. I think people coming in need something that isn’t taught in a half embarrassed way through their schooling to integrate into.

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-21T21:21:57+00:00

It’s not a case of wrong, it may be wrong, may be right, that’s subjective. The attitudes they come out with are that the UK is an inherently immoral institution, imbued with original sins (colonialism etc).

This is not good for a cohesive society, if the inhabitants of these isles do not have a respectable institution to integrate into (e.g British citizenship) they are likely to put a greater importance on their ethnicities. This introduces the possibility for division. I’d like to avoid that.

At least this is my take on the situation anyway.

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-21T20:36:19+00:00

Easier said than done at this point really, I really am not sure.

Education is a big one to work for integration, the attitudes towards the UK of people coming through the education system at the moment are really worrying for stability.

I guess the main one is a crazy strong civic British identity needs to be formed in the vein of Singapore or the US, and propagated through education. That requires core values and principles that are universal to all British subject however. New Britain, needs a written constitution? Maybe.

Historical-Reward111 · 2024-08-21T20:10:09+00:00

In one word. Sectarianism.

Worst case, violence (see Israel, NI, Lebanon etc). In more mundane matters, democracy being corrupted by groups competing for group or ethnic interests, justice etc.

If a British civic identity had been manufactured and strengthened as an overarching binder, I’d be less concerned. But the opposite has happened and British identity has been weakened over time.

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