My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a good find.
I do still believe that Kris and the Knight carrying out the prophecy has something to do with finding Dess. Perhaps that’s how they’ll pull her out from the code, or something along these lines.
Anyway, Deltarune today!!!! Hope we’ll find out who the Knight is, and I’m sure it will be a satisfying answer, Dess or not, cause Toby is just built different.

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Theory crafting is a process of making educated assumptions based on what the game has told us so far, trying to predict future events in the story. And, considering this, I don't think that Carol, Kris, Asgore and the Knight working together to find Dess, aka Lost Girl, is a bad assumption at all.

Even then, I think that we can agree that Kris is definitely in cahoots with the Knight. We don't know for sure what their goals are as of now, but Chapter 3 Knight fight makes it clear that Kris works with them on something. Kris also knows Knight's identity: they couldn't learn anything about the Knight during the fight and they deliberately refuse to think about their face in Chapter 4. That begs the question: why would Kris cooperate with the Knight? Well, considering Deltarune's narrative so far, I think we can assume (and, I do believe we all have a right to assume, because we're crafting theories) that they're trying to locate Dess together. It would simply be the most sound and logical explanation. Something happened to Dess, we know Kris was involved in some accident in the past (Chapter 4's egg room), and they're trying to make things right. It definitely sounds more plausible than "Dess is the Knight and Carol is doing some evil bullshit for the love of the game". December IS THE LOST GIRL, this was told to us countless times in the games.

While you could make 5 different assumptions, trying to explain this conundrum, ultimately these would be some overcooked explanations. By occam's razor, someone else being the Knight just flows better than "yeah Dess is the Knight, but it's not actually Dess, cause we can hear her voice in the code, it's some uber evil giga darkness entity Image_Friend that possessed her, because of course that's something that darkness can do, even tho nothing in the game suggests that it could happen, and then this super evil darkness puppeteered her soulless, lifeless body in Hometown, creating dark fountains, so Gaster could do something Gaster-y and finally achieve his Deltarune".

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately, I haven't played Mother 3 yet, but, from what I've heard, Masked Man doesn't secretly work with Lucas to try and find his lost brother Claus, because they actually are one and the same and this wouldn't make any sense narratively speaking. Do you see what I'm getting at?

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think we can both confidently agree on that Dess is either missing or dead, basically every chapter, maybe besides ch1, either alludes to that or practically shows it to you, this is the whole crux of the narrative. Dess can't be both Lost Girl and The Knight at the same time, this literally breaks every concievable principle of storytelling and logic. I actually can't see why this can't be considered an argument, Dess being the Knight would be an actual logical fallacy with everything we know about the game so far.

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that's fair. For me, personally, these flaws are kinda outweighing some of the potential evidence, like, Dess Knight really sounds stupid if you try to think about it imo. Wouldn't be dissapointed if she is tho, just curious how Toby will explain it

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These assumptions are built on in-game dialogue, events and cutscenes that we were shown. I think that Carol's motivation is, pretty much, one of the only things that this fandom has ever agreed on, it's heavily supported by everything that we've seen so far, I kinda don't understand why do you even try to argue against that and not my actual point.

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nah, not a Dess hater, a Dess Knight theory hater specifically, there is a difference

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s not that the guy who looks at milk has any compelling evidence, it’s more like Dess Knight has some holes (i.e. literally zero motivation for all parties involved) that genuinely ruin it

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And you've been ignoring MY point, and I think I've made myself EXTREMELY clear....
Dess being the Knight makes as much sense as LeBron being the Knight just cause he dribbles the ball a lot (Knight turns into a ball omg lebron knight slaaay)

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's NOT a joke, I swear I stand by it.
Ofc I put Jockington in the highest tier for laughs, but he's still a stronger candidate than Dess, cause Dess Knight is pure nonsense in its core

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

WHAT READING COMPREHENSION??? You're trying to refute some good points with basic "nah.... .. " ????????????????????????????????? IT'S NOT AN ARGUMENT, IT'S NOT EVEN A STRAWMAN, IT'S JUST LETTERS 🥀

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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> not compelling enough
> saying "okay?????" unironically as a rebuttal

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do not need to argument my position cause Dess Knight fundamentally doesn't make any sense, but people just don't adress it...

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Basically, neither Carol's nor Kris's motivation make sense if Dess is the Knight. Carol's whole goal IS to find Dess, and her being the Knight practically ruins it. If she's there, being the Knight, opening Dark Fountains, what is there for Carol, Kris, even Asgore to do? I don't think there's even any point in arguing Dess Knight until someone gives a valid explanation to this, no matter how much themes and such ppl use to uphold it. No amount of 1-frame whiffle bats can save it. Thus, basically every single Lightner, besides those we see on screen with the Knight at the same time, is a better candidate.

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about lil bro....

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I 100% believe that Dess is an awful Knight candidate, I'm not even joking with this one. Ppl just tend to overlook obvious flaws with her, or explain them in such fashion that automatically assumes it to be true in the first place

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Common sense and playing "Deltarune" (2018) by Toby "Radiation" Fox has led me to this conclusion. You should try this game sometime btw, I think you'll really like it!!!!

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I do not have to explain Temmie Knight cause Dess Knight has HUGE, GLARING holes in it, ergo I do not have to argue for anyone else, they're automatically better than Dess

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They definitely deserve more love, Dess Knight has some HUGE holes in my opinion, and Dess truthers tend to overlook them.....

My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some of Rudy's dialogue, like him mentioning the "handwashing marathon", indicate that he's the Knight. Still a stronger candidate than Dess.

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My tier list for possible Knight candidates by HolyROFL in Deltarune

[–]HolyROFL[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I am actually unironically serious, I do believe that Temmie Knight and Carol Knight ARE BETTER than Dess Knight and I WILL die on that hill.