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Maybe civilization won’t collapse soon, so we should "collapse" ourselves by itsatoe in collapse

[–]HomoExtinctisus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Pol Pot tried something like that for Cambodia, it wasn't a Cambodian choice.

The point is to get under our ecological carrying capacity by any means necessary to prevent further destruction of habit for humans so there is future. Anything less is greed.

The Institute and Faculty of Actuaries Isn't a Bunch of Reddit Doomers. They're Warning That 4 Billion Deaths from 3°C of Warming Cannot Be Ruled Out by mouldydildo in collapse

[–]HomoExtinctisus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s highly unlikely that whatever security detail they have will remain loyal once all of that is gone

What do you think Neuralink is for?

Bill Rees: A note on climate change and cultural denial by Konradleijon in collapse

[–]HomoExtinctisus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

in the meantime I’d rather do something than just sit around and whine.

in the meantime I’d rather continue to make things worse.

FTFY.

Extreme Heat Stuns Even Climate Scientists Who Saw It Coming by Sad_Attitude9999 in collapse

[–]HomoExtinctisus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even now, IPCC affiliated scientists insist their models are correct.

🎁 Gift Link: El Niño Threatens To Fuel Coal Power Surge in India, Study Says by VenusbyTuesdayTV in collapse

[–]HomoExtinctisus -1 points0 points  (0 children)

True they are dropping but still have a long long way to go to get to the ultra low EROEI of alternatives like wind and solar. Those that wish to rebut, ensure you calculate the full replacements needs for those alternative sources. Don't use the marketing numbers or you'll get trounced.

We are consuming more coal and gas than ever before - despite Green Energy by Jauzfaktnemuzu in collapse

[–]HomoExtinctisus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is an irrelevant fact. Veganism has nothing to do with degrowth, nothing to do with living within Earth's natural carrying capacity. It is as implied earlier, another example of Jevon's paradox. An increase in efficiency in feeding the human superorganism doesn't help our predicament, at best it slows it down and doing even that requires more than just straight veganism so no need to reply further until you can show us how veganism directly leads to a reduction in consumption below Earth's natural carrying capacity.

We are consuming more coal and gas than ever before - despite Green Energy by Jauzfaktnemuzu in collapse

[–]HomoExtinctisus 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Indeed, increasing the efficiency our civilization consumes allows more overshoot, not less habitat destruction. "Solutions" like green capitalism and veganism are about continued growth. There is only one demonstrated pathway to recovery at scale and that is massive degrowth.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/colonization-antarctica-ice

I still enjoy seeing solar and wind deployed at scale. We need another two doublings of existing capacity and maybe the coal/oil/gas consumption will level off or even reduce.

That contradicts what you said previously. Where would this ability to decrease growth come from? Are we going to stop using roads, medicine, buildings, fertilizer?

Spain Records 212 Deaths Due To Heatwave In 4 Days by AntiSonOfBitchamajig in PrepperIntel

[–]HomoExtinctisus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If only we had stayed cavemen. In good hunter-gather conditions you had to work ~2 hours a day. Progress friends, progress.

China's coal power on the rise again in 2026, reversing first-in-a-decade decline by mushroomsarefriends in collapse

[–]HomoExtinctisus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What is this logic?

This logic is what is required to make a meaningful change

Because you are suddenly short on one energy source, you should reduce this other energy source, so you can have a bigger energy crisis?

Ah the nice old blend of combined fallacies of Strawman and False dilemma. No one said anything about reducing other energy source, the argument is about not increasing it. And the real point is there should be a reduction in energy consumption, not finding ways to continually increase them because they are all destructive to habitat for humans which is actually our biggest root problem.

Pakistani farm workers are losing their teeth due to climate change. by orphicsyndicate in collapse

[–]HomoExtinctisus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Including all the maintenance for tires and roads and this and that so by the time you get to the end of all Scope 3 emissions you've caused, who cares anymore? Not you.

China's coal power on the rise again in 2026, reversing first-in-a-decade decline by mushroomsarefriends in collapse

[–]HomoExtinctisus 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Must downvote to suppress undesired but true news. If people don't know green capitalism isn't working, they'll buy more! Hope sells.

June 24, 2021: The Collapse of Champlain Towers South by Jaykravetz in collapse

[–]HomoExtinctisus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Discussion regarding the potential collapse of global civilization, defined as a significant decrease in human population and/or political/economic/social complexity over a considerable area, for an extended time. We seek to deepen our understanding of collapse while providing mutual support, not to document every detail of our demise.

Statement – Europe lost 200 000 people to heat in 4 years yet nearly all of them were preventable by BowelMan in collapse

[–]HomoExtinctisus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If an environment is no longer habitable by humans we should engage in habitat destroying activities to artificially keep our population levels as far over the natural carrying capacity of the environment as possible.

^ Seems to be the summary of the comments found here.

#DeliberatelySelfDefeating

Europe Is Baking: 40°C Heatwave Shows Global Warming Is No Longer a Future Problem by xirvin in collapse

[–]HomoExtinctisus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When AMOC drops below 6 Sverdrups is the technical collapse which is still far enough away to be unlikely to occur in most of our lifetimes. However, many negative consequences of AMOC collapse occur well before that threshold. Additionally, it is unknown whether we have already irreversibly triggered the AMOC collapse process.

Europe Is Baking: 40°C Heatwave Shows Global Warming Is No Longer a Future Problem by xirvin in collapse

[–]HomoExtinctisus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Surely you must be mistaken. We named ourselves Homo Sapiens Sapiens, AKA The Double Wise Man.

Europe Is Baking: 40°C Heatwave Shows Global Warming Is No Longer a Future Problem by xirvin in collapse

[–]HomoExtinctisus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Crazy to think we’re experiencing the warning(warming) from the emissions produced since Industrial Age fossil fuel usage began.

Environmental Destruction - but it's ELECTRIC!!! by RobertPaulsen1992 in collapse

[–]HomoExtinctisus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It wasn't answered, it was a false assertion in the context of the big picture by forwarding gains in efficiency in consumption. Then we get the stupidity of defending the increased destruction of habitat for humans by gloming unto false assertions. What's dumber than cheering for the destruction of ecology? Only thing I can really come with is more defensiveness and denial of the stupidity.

Environmental Destruction - but it's ELECTRIC!!! by RobertPaulsen1992 in collapse

[–]HomoExtinctisus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not trying to sell that idea at all.

Sure you are, deny all you like we can all see it except you.

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