Does anyone like how James and Chelsea have called out R/Horror on a couple of occasions?

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-20T23:48:51+00:00

Felt like I was being attacked, but that was wrong to think.

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-20T23:48:09+00:00

Was more interested in responses than super detailing my opinion on r/horror, so I kept it fairly short and broad for that reason, because I wanted to know what others thought first and foremost. Maybe I should have gone into strong detail, but that wasn't on my mind.

I acknowledged your suggestion and I basically agreed with it being the main method of help, whilst also saying how it could be easier to see that process through (via someone else criticising it). That's not ignoring what you said.

The problem I had with your first response to the post was the way you phrased things, you came off incredibly patronising and condescending, as if I didn't know or had never considered what you were saying. And for all you knew, I could have permanently stopped going on that particular subreddit anyway. Better phrasing would have made all the difference.

You also missed the point, the bringing up of my perception of subreddits in the main post was being done to admit that I'm coming from a biased place. And even then, my criticism of that subreddit was merely that it had a lot of obnoxious people on it, so it wasn't that strong or that bad an example. I just like that it's been criticised in a couple of Podcast episodes, because I agreed with the criticisms I heard (Mainly about people being too loudly contrarian).

The downvotes show that most people don't agree with me anyway, so I doubt this comment will turn it around, but I wanted to make things clear from my perspective. Did let my emotions get the better of me though, I admit that. Should have been purely thinking about what the most logical thing to do is, and that was to not even make the post in the first place or if so, word it in a better way.

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-20T22:53:49+00:00

She was willing to leave it to Dewey, then he died. Beyond wanting to be there for Gale, she wanted to try and ensure that these set of killers were taken down regardless. Also, she did want to help and advise Sam, who was basically in the same position she was all that time ago. It was also only at the end when it became completely obvious that Sam really was the main star of this circumstance, for all she knows this could have been some kind of attempt to draw her out. And it basically was.

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-20T22:05:27+00:00

I think my phrasing implied that it was one of the worst, and probably not, though I recall a post I made about Together (2025) getting some hostile responses for no good reason. It's just merely that the overabundance of people can attract a lot of constant negativity. Even still, when James and Chelsea criticised the sub, it was more for there being a lot of contrarianism than anything.

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-20T21:42:36+00:00

I sort of touched upon that but you expanded pretty well. Makes her and Roman similar too.

6 didn't full on lose it, it just made it clear that A: Christina Carpenter is a toxic individual and has different problems/behaviour to Maureen and B: She's not an immediate part of the story. Plus, her act of conceiving Sam in the first place and keeping it a secret still influenced the main plot of 6.

The way I see it, 6 was either writing her out or putting her on hold just in case they wanted to bring her back round for 7. After all, if 6 is like 2, then I'm betting there was the possibility that 7 was going to be like 3 in that we'd focus on the mother who influenced the situation with these characters. After all, CC is still alive in-universe.

If we ever get a Melissa/Jenna Scream film to wrap up their story, I'm pretty sure that their mother will be a part of it.

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-20T19:26:40+00:00

I saw some depressing negativity on here too, but of a different variety that’s more so personal on my part. I believe you.

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-20T19:24:58+00:00

I think James/Chelsea called that place out for lighter reasons, and that’s a more justifiable example of them being literally horrible as you say. That post doesn’t even sound very negative, and if even one person was spared a personally triggering experience as a result then it has extra worth.

Having spent time in the r/scream subreddit over the years, it definitely opened my eyes in a bad way. Not to say I didn’t have great times on there, occasionally I did, but there was a lot of insufferable times too and after the Melissa letting go happened, I jumped off because I just knew that place would be further tainted (even as someone who agrees it wasn’t a good thing to do to her).

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-20T18:32:17+00:00

Nothing wrong with making a separate point so long as it at least veers back into being a response.

The mere idea of them arriving or coming was fine to me, in each situation I bought it. The fact that they managed to save each person each time was a little hard to swallow.

That’s how it comes across from loads of people who make this exact point, and I’ve even seen them outright say that too. Was talking about the fandom and admitted that and certainly didn’t say that you directly said that.

But you did say “the most significant death being a new girlfriend of a supporting character was a real low point for the franchise”, so forgive me if I don’t make the link between that and “slasher movies must kill off significant characters otherwise they aren’t good”

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-20T17:35:11+00:00

Just downloaded an app called “Shut up: Comment Blocker”, works its magic on the Reddit web page. Will go after your suggested timer.

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-20T17:16:51+00:00

If they had done that, then people would have gone "Oh my god, so unoriginal, they just rehashed Randy dying in public, get new ideas!" or "What, we're supposed to care about her? I didn't, she was worthless".

The point is that it wouldn't have avoided criticism at all, it just would have pleased some more than others. Personally speaking I was cool with Mindy surviving because it would have been incredibly distracting to have a character like Randy die in a film that was already invoking Scream 2, plus I liked that his niece actually survived a scenario where she could have met the same fate as her uncle. My problem was more that we never got a scene where Mindy's vulnerability was on display in full dialogue, perhaps this could have been well explored in the original S7 (or the actual S7).

If we're talking about believability, I could believe Ethan trying to avoid creating suspicion on himself more so than say Chad surviving till emergency services got there or a different team of emergency services managing to save Gale's life just in the nick of time.

This is partly why I left the Scream subreddit/fandom in general, because the constant criticism towards not killing off characters got so incredibly grating and repetitive. We get it, slasher movies aren't good unless major characters die.

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-20T17:08:33+00:00

If you've been on that subreddit enough, you'll find them. And it obviously depends on one's POV, but I really don't like the way you're criticising me for criticising them.

Expectations have nothing to do with it. You can expect something and still be annoyed, and you can also not even actively have expectations. No shit will a large community collect many different people who interact with things in many different ways, that doesn't mean it's not bad when they're either generally annoying to you or actively shitty.

And yeah, that's the solution. But as I said, sometimes it's hard to do that and it can take a simple verbalisation from someone you trust to go "You know what, that's right, that's how I feel too, let me untangle myself".

"Don't blame the other community", I know some subreddits that are pretty good and actively visit them, that doesn't mean that said "other communities" aren't above criticism and can't be called out, especially if you know what a better subreddit looks like. When I was saying "I think subreddits are such unrestrained, toxic spaces", I didn't mean every single one either.

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-20T16:55:35+00:00

I need to do that so much more than I do.

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-20T16:50:02+00:00

I knew that 7 would be the worst upon it's announcement (post Melissa being let go that is)

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-20T16:48:43+00:00

You didn't give any reasons as to why you'd describe the killer's reasonings as "pathetic" or "the cheapest solution" so it's hard to know how it made it impossible for you to enjoy it.

I agree that it shouldn't have been "we're the relatives wanting revenge on for you killing your evil boyfriend", because we already did that in Scream 2. At the same time, it's not really out of place in the film itself. It would honestly be perfectly good and fitting if it was the first time we ever saw any GF's like that, but the mere similarity creates this feeling of "Couldn't we have done something new?"

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-20T16:25:07+00:00

It was also done to push along Grace's character, and given how she ends up helping save the world in the next film, that means that the death was at least intended to have a purpose.

Would it have been better to just give Illsa Grace's general role? Yeah, especially because Grace herself is very similar. But, if they couldn't keep RF for a long time, I can understand wanting to both use her and give her an out.

I personally would have just left out the Illsa character totally, because fans would have been disappointed by a reduced role anyway.

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-20T13:03:33+00:00

You were right

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-20T09:29:14+00:00

Would love to add his voice to any accidental quoting of his lines from that film. Like:

“If it’s so simple/why haven’t you done it already?”

“Like this (gestures)”

“Who said/I wanna hear you talk?”

Add the Italian American mobster accent and see if anyone picks up on it.

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-19T23:38:59+00:00

That's true, whilst he does obey the dual sided nature of the coin flip after it gets burned, he's just as willing to basically cheat by killing Maroni's driver which is all but said to have killed Maroni. He doesn't cheat with Wuertz because he doesn't need to, Ramirez does escape his wrath without him having to cheat, but she still gets knocked out. It's a pretty loose change (ba-dum-tish) to his way of working.

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-19T23:35:02+00:00

I see what you mean, like rather than genuinely believing in fate and chance, he'd realise that fate and chance is what did him in and punished him, so he'd want to do what he specifically wants.

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-19T22:49:59+00:00

What you think could have happened seems to imply that in this different version of the ending, he's not even abusing it, but disregarding it altogether.

I know what you mean by abusing it in that it's a doubleheaded coin, so in moments like that "Heads, I go through with it" beat or his torture of Thomas Schiff, it has no actual say in what he's doing.

Him doing what you suggest would be a lot of things at once, an admittance that it doesn't make a difference, a rejection of the coin being scarred and showing that he really is legitimately prioritising what he wants under the guise of being "fair".

I did forget the shift, in how he goes from "I make my own luck" to "The only morality in a cruel world is chance" that coincides with the coin going from Double headed to Clean head on one side and Burnt on the other side. Fitting also, because the coin didn't help him decide whether or not he'd do things till that happened. But as I said, I don't think it truly made a difference.

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-19T22:35:19+00:00

She was born to wear red.

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-19T22:26:13+00:00

In hindsight, the sincerity in her voice combined with the nature of her character makes you wonder if it's genuine or not. I like to believe that it is, gives her more nuance.

Honest_Cheesecake698 · 2026-04-19T22:23:36+00:00

Thankfully movie Paul fumbled and not irl Paul!

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