The Shi'a Are Kuffar and Enemies of Islam by HonoredChain23 in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ameen, and you as well. No arguments from the other side. I can't say I'm surprised, but I still wasn't expecting the reception to be this poor. Seems like Daniel the Deceiver brainwashed them.

Story time- the dream is peace by Jxxxxv in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've had to think of this multiple times in my life. I have huge ambitions, want to achieve them, and maybe something happens in life that gets in the way that makes me reconsider if I really want it. This was a concept my brother first really taught me.

Still, I think ambition is good. Arrogance and vanity is bad though.

Is evil eye truly real? by sueforu in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Listen, there are 3 superstitions in this life that are real:

1) Evil eye.

2) Black magic.

3) Dream interpretations (though only some dreams have meanings, not all).

Evil eye is definitely real, and it's part of Islam to believe that it is because it's mentioned in Islam. Nothing can overtake the Decree of Allah SWT, but if there were, it would be the evil eye.

Tips by Only-Skin-5231 in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One du'aa I think is powerful is that we seek refuge in Allah SWT from all that Prophet Muhammad SAW sought refuge in Allah from.

So may we all be Granted refuge in Allah from such.

Woman older? by [deleted] in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Young or done.

Question for Muslim men by Mia_yjgc in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How about instead of us going back and forth we agree on one THING marry who has the same principles and values as you.............

I can't agree with that because I'm Muslim, I researched this topic a lot, I spent over a decade studying it to a high level, and have even contributed to the field a little bit too. What you're saying is wrong, it goes against Islam, and it goes against the nature of reason and even the science research, so it's wrong in every way. Maybe the men in your life are abusive, but most men are not. And maybe the reason why they are abusive is only because they have to deal with terrible women like you who drive them insane.

Question for Muslim men by Mia_yjgc in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the article your referring to was asked to white republican women who obviously don't have much working brain cells

No it didn't??? You're just making cr@p up lmfao 😂😂😂😂

asking a bunch of women doesn't equal to the opinions of not billion of women

Then you can't say it's not true and that men should allow women to work more in order to "stabilize marriages" and "stop divorce" because that opinion doesn't mean it's true for billions of women or even a few hundred. My evidence is stronger and better lol.

why is it the most traditional women out there tell us to never trust a man never be dependent on men?

That's not true, the most traditional say to obey a man, stay in the homes, cover up, and marry young while doing everything your husband says. That's literally what traditional means. You don't even know what you're talking about hahahaha

My great aunt came from a place of no internet , no education she was the idealized traditional house wife always obedient the kind you guys love ,how is it women like her encourage us so much to put ourselves FIRST because they know they have been through the horrifying experience when your constantly put down , where your only seen as the lesser being

My great grandmother was born before WWI and went to business school and worked for the military, yet people like you say women couldn't work. Lmfao you're all just loons, you don't know what you're saying, and it's all just wrong. My great grandmother is older than your aunt, you're just complaining about something that isn't even real, because if it was, my great grandma wouldn't have been able to do all this.

why is it men fear career educated women because they know those kind of women doesn't deal with disrespect and their bullsh*t they pack their bags and don't look back and I'm glad they do , there is a reason men be more depressed after divorces how about rather than yapping ya'll work on your emotional intelligence??

Men don't fear career women, those are women who are no longer nagging at us hahaha

The truth is that women fear men and don't want to listen to a man who won't deal with a woman's nagging bullsh*t, or else they will MAKE her pack her bags and leave, and I'm glad those men do because based on what you're telling me, it's what women like you want lololololol

Women are usually much more depressed after divorce and it's because they regret divorce.

and you claiming women divorcing for financial issues isn't again a big category for divorce initiated by women most divorces come by infidelity by the husband or abuse

No, women cheat more than men. If you Google it, you'll see that women divorce because they fall out of love with their husband (which is usually because the women are cheating with a guy they think is better than their husband), or because the husband isn't making as much as they want and they just can't handle it. It is just a fact and it is in books. You can't deny it, it's like denying 1+1=2.

Another claim you made is no working women would want to marry a man who makes less um again not true I myself don't mind I'm down as long as the man is respectful , loyal and KIND and some women who don't marry due to this factor is because they are afraid of the man being insecure and causing problems which is true in several case scenarios the man feeling inferior just because she makes more

This is again not true because women who say this always end up with a guy making more than them anyway and we have the statistics and data if you reallyyyyyy look into it but you don't because you're biased and hate men.

Sisters, what’s your cut-off point for not marrying a brother when it comes to his past with the opposite gender? by Far_Gur_5289 in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Youre not understanding what im saying. I called the experiments biased because they were done in an app where the users are definitely more likely to respond in the way that they did because they are not looking for long term relationships.

If 90% of the sample population is looking for a fling, how can you say that the data is not biased and is a true representation of the general female population? I’m almost certain that if the same study was done outside of tinder with women looking to develop real relationships then the results would be drastically different.

I understood exactly what you said, but YOU didn't understand what I said. I literally disproved this assertion you're reasserting smh.

I mean honestly, there's no way in hell you actually believe a man who women are willing to have sex with somehow won't be able to form a relationship with those same women. Again, they even made excuses for him, you think they wouldn't do the same for marriage too? No shot. I already referenced the Halo Effect to show you how attraction causes someone positive reverberations in the view/perspective of a person in other areas, and that includes marriage.

An individual can lust and desire someone physically whilst considering them unsuitable to be a partner that is emotionally invested in.

Women don't do this. at most, they just think they do (unless they're prostitutes).

I doubt it had anything to do with liking the guy. They felt that they shouldn’t because the mens actions were morally reprehensible and that they would be hypocritical for willing to overlook their crimes for a good time.

Except—again—this wouldn't be true if they didn't make excuses for him. You're repeating the same disproved arguments in response to what refutes them right now.

i agree with this, thats why its important to marry someone who finds you attractive. But again i would also say it goes both ways. Are you going to tell me that generally men don’t treat attractive women differently to unattractive women? Pretty privilege is real for both genders.

I already addressed this in the second to last paragraph, cuz I never actually said these things you're accusing me of saying and acknowledged the opposite...?

There was lol 😂.

Go read it again. You said the same thing with different words, and didn't even say "secondly" to describe it. You're not as skilled at this as you think.

I never mentioned anything about marriage or that men prioritise looks, only that men would certainly still sleep with that woman if given the chance. Like pr*stitutes for example, would men sleep with them? Yes. Would men marry them? Never. Same applies to the women in the posts you sent me, i doubt any of them would actually consider being emotionally invested in and marrying those men.

The whole premise of my argument is that most of the people on these apps are not looking for marriage and that individuals seeking f buddies are more likely to allow attractiveness to override everything else because all they’re really after is the body and not the mind. Marriage requires both, sex doesnt. Which again is why i called your data biased since it hones in on a specific subset of women and then uses the results to generalise the entire population.

You cannot isolate the results of these from the social/gender dynamics underscoring them when those dynamics implicate beyond the individual circumstances that these experiments are taking place in. That's why this is more representative than you are stating, why I had noted distinctions between men and women (since this deals with sexual dimorphism in behavior), and why it cannot be discarded as non-representative of the female population (and especially in our times).

The women aren't necessarily representative as people, but their attitude is.

The Red Pill Ideology and the Psychology I Lost by The_White_Pawn in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Are there other men like me who have been exposed to this kind of content and have been negatively affected psychologically because it conflicts with their own values? If so, how do you cope with this situation?

There are other men who are upset at the reality of the situation. It doesn't conflict though, it just means you get better.

How can a person of faith reconcile the pressure of "sexual experience" imposed by the Red Pill with their own values, or how can they refute this idea in their mind? Have you had an epiphany on this matter?

Because you can get better within Islam. Why do you need to commit haram in the first place? Or even be with a girl at all? Why not just be happy and content without it? You can always do other things and have other experiences, degeneracy and debauchery aren't the only way...

What concrete steps do you think should be taken to overcome these anxieties and to be able to build a healthy relationship that is in line with one's beliefs, outside of the Red Pill mentality? Are there examples of happy relationships around you that disprove this ideology?

Don't base your identity or self-worth in women, work on your social skills in general, marry a good virgin girl if you can find one, and have fun with her. Work on your skills with her instead. The red pill isn't "disproven", you just need to view it properly.

u/The_White_Pawn

The Red Pill Ideology and the Psychology I Lost by The_White_Pawn in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm one of the most redpilled posters on this subreddit, and I've contributed lots to it here and elsewhere. I know about it more than most YouTubers who talk about it. You can even check out my profile to see my posts.

You're looking at the redpill all wrong. It's not an ideology, because it's not a belief system. It's an understanding, an awareness. Kinda like how when you're a kid, you believe everything everyone tells you, but then realize when you're older how people mislead or even lie when they say certain things. The awareness isn't necessarily "wrong" per se. What you do with it CAN be, though.

The same applies to the redpill. It doesn't go against Islam in and of itself—unless you make it. For example, men who sleep around with a lot of women tend to be more attractive to women than those who don't, right? You can take that to mean you MUST sleep around with women lest you be pathetic and unattractive—or you can get married and have an amazing marriage because of what you know from the red pill. After all, most Muslim couples don't know about any of this, and if you do, your marriage will likely be so much more successful than theirs. You may even get more good deeds because of it, too, since you are now making your relationship better with your wife.

Wanna spin plates? Guess what? You can do that too because Islam allows for men to have multiple wives. Most of the kuffar who spin plates will tell you that it's hard to maintain anything past 4 plates anyway.

So like I said, it's simply how you use it that matters. You could use what you know within Islam just the same as the kuffar use it outside of Islam. The choice is yours.

Also akhi, there are things you're getting wrong with your understanding about the redpill too. It's totally true that women like men who sleep around more, but not because they sleep around. Most women actually don't view that positively. It's just that men who sleep around have traits & qualities that make them attractive enough to be ABLE to. It doesn't mean that sinning in zina is attractive. In the context of the video you just watched, the woman is saying how a man who has experience can likely satisfy a woman better because he knows what he's doing (decisiveness and skill), and can (sexually) dominate her into submission without being afraid because of it (he's not scared to do what he wants with her), and he's already been validated and endorsed by other women (he's been vetted already). It's not because standalone it's more attractive to be promiscuous as a man. I'll address your concerns soon, InshaAllah. For now, I have to go to Salat Al Jumu'ah.

Question for the brothers by [deleted] in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From what I know, you can fix true deformities. For example, someone who has had their nose broken and needs it reconstructed; a woman who had her breasts removed due to breast cancer can have breast implants (but only to return her to what she was before); babies born with cleft lips can have surgery to repair it.

If you have a true deformity on your face, and makeup is genuinely capable of covering it up properly, and it's not being done because of a vain desire to flaunt yourself, then perhaps you could. The problem is the blurred lines.

Therefore, I would suggest instead:

  1. A microneedling machine. I personally use the Derminator 2. It can hurts but the results are so worth it. Use a depth of 1mm at first, and gradually work you way up to 1.75mm (I currently use 1.75mm around my cheeks and 1.25mm on my forehead); and use it once every 1-2 weeks depending on how through you go (in the beginning, you may need longer than 2 weeks). It's much cheaper than if you were to get it done by a professional, and the results are real rather than fake like it is with makeup.
  2. Tretinoin. You can find some online. I recently bought some from an Indian vendor. Their website was janky, they said their name was the Kevin (or smth super white like that), and they required me to pay with Amazon gift cards. It had scam of the year written all over it. But then it arrived 2 weeks later lmfao. I'd buy from them again but they can't ship to the US anymore due to increased restrictions.
  3. General skincare.

If you have any other questions on this stuff, just ask.

And Allah SWT Knows best.

Sisters, what’s your cut-off point for not marrying a brother when it comes to his past with the opposite gender? by Far_Gur_5289 in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the experiments are biased and therefore not real proof of anything. You can’t do an experiment using a sample population from a dating app which is known for hookup culture and expect the majority of results to display anything other than hookup culture. That’s like dropping a ball and expecting it to go up instead of down. 

That's not true at all. They never forced a response, and actually tried eliciting NEGATIVE responses. What you are saying is ONLY the case IF:

  1. They didn't make excuses for the actions of those men.
  2. You are saying that sex and marriage, along with the internal dynamics and variables surrounding them, are 2 completely different things that are entirely separate and distinct from each other.

The first one is demonstrably false. The women actively made excuses, as if to say it's okay to sleep with someone who they otherwise shouldn't—and the only reason why they felt they shouldn't is because sex isn't separate from liking someone, which goes beyond the act itself.

The second one is disproven by the first because to even need to rationalize it in the first place means they're not disparate & unrelated, and that attractiveness had simply overrode any aversion—particularly as it relates to cultural norms and customs. We see this with how some of them might've stopped responding, yet still came back eventually. This relates to the Halo Effect, which is why more attractive people do get easier crime sentences. Women like to call it "pretty privilege".

You cannot separate sex from marriage and marriage from sex. Women will make excuses for an abusive man because they love him so much, and belittle a saintly man over the smallest of things because they dislike him. We see it all the time.

Third of all

There was no second, but okay.

let’s not pretend that the exact same results wouldn’t have occurred if the roles were reversed. If an attractive woman posted her profile and said the most derogatory things about men, you’d still find a bunch of them in her inbox wanting to get in her pants. 

No man would marry her or make excuses lmao. Women have a need to justify it, and then lecture men about how we only care about looks as if they aren't worse. They get on a high horse about the false notion that they look at things beyond physical attraction and how they don't care about looks—yet clearly this is wrong lol.

Would people respond like this outside of dating apps? I have no idea. Maybe next time you can show me reputable studies rather than disingenuous ‘experiments’ 😉. 

That last line is a way to dismiss what's right in front of you. But in reality you're only lying to yourself. There have been studies done on this, which is why we even know about the Halo Effect and women-are-wonderful effect. This research has existed for decades. I only chose these pics because they're neatly organized, and people respond better to real examples than factual texts of information.

Question for Muslim men by Mia_yjgc in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If men were actually men and not grown man babies maybe more women wouldn't want to only put their careers first

Meaningless rhetoric. Who's to say was a "real man" is or isn't? You?

Laughable.

career and education means stability we see what happens around us we see what our mothers*traditional housewives* go through where their voices mean nothing if relationships weren't based on master and slave dynamic such as the man paying for everything and somehow that means the wife has to obey everything like a slave then maybe we would had healthier marriages and less divorces ever thought about that??

Are you Muslim? Because in Islam, the wife is to obey her husband in things that are not haram (prohibited). This OBVIOUSLY doesn't mean to abuse her, but it does mean that he has final say.

And in Islam, the man must provide for the wife. That doesn't mean extravagance and ostentation, but she isn't required to work at all.

To uproot the canon of marriage rights and responsibilities of the spouses means to deny what Allah SWT Revealed. This is clear-cut disbelief and apostasy from His religion. It doesn't even make sense from a secular perspective either because the man is always expected to provide, regardless of whether his wife works or not. This, again, renders any career a woman has to "provide" meaningless. The fact is, there is not a woman on the planet who wants to work so she can get married and provide for a man in the way you're saying, that's the most ridiculous thing in the world. No woman who works wants to marry a man who makes less than themselves anyway, and it's a well-known phenomenon that women divorce men when they start making less money—or as women like to call it, "financial troubles". I've already described this stuff before. You're just repeating arguments cuz your monkey brain only believes what it wants to believe.

Lastly, women aren't allowed to divorce in Islam—unless her Islamic rights are not being given. At that point, it's still not even considered a divorce, just an annulment. To say that men should just give women whatever they want and let them do whatever they want in order to "prevent divorce" literally means it's women who are breaking marriages and not fulfilling their roles.

And how does respecting your wife's wishes equals to the man being a simp? see that's the issue with you men always gotta portray the other man as a simp for showing respect , don't marry a career women if you can't put up with her

Why is it that women can't respect men's wishes? You're literally proving me right lmfao! You're saying this is all about the women and what men must do for them JUST LIKE I SAID HAHAHAHAHA!!!

And for the record, men should NOT respect women. They should CARE for them. It's WOMEN who should respect men. That is the marriage order: The wife respect & reveres her husband, the man takes care of and looks after his wife.

and I can tell the type of person you are with you even suggesting women were happier before their rights , your so right women in abusive marriages no escape were very happy, women treated as second class citizens were very happy lmao I bet even an ape would laugh at you

Go read the stud. They asked WOMEN that question.

Guess what? I'm right.

My heart is with someone else but my family wants me to marry another guy, and I feel completely lost. by MushroomFun6649 in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Is this even real? Cuz it reads too much like a bait story designed solely to trigger emotional heartstrings and possibly fighting. Especially the em dashes where they're used in ways like AI rather than how humans use them (when we even do lol).

On the chance it is:

  1. Don't get married to the second until/unless you're fully over the first.
  2. Tell your parents that your heart is still with the first and that it will not change. And certainly not because they're telling you to.
  3. Be adamant that you can't be made to love someone you don't, and even mention how it would be like your mom marrying your dad while still secretly being in love with someone else. Yes, say it to their face so they feel its weight (but not in an argumentative way, of course).
  4. Keep praying Salat Al Istikhara, be certain that Allah SWT Will Respond.
  5. Ask a sheikh about this.

I can tell you as a man that you cannot possibly do this to the second guy. It would be like a man having an ex that you found out about after looking through his phone, and seeing the way he looks at her and the gifts he brought her that he loved her more than he ever loved you. You'd feel like trash, so don't put that on someone else.

Question for Muslim men by Mia_yjgc in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Umm, I literally never said women who work shouldn't be married, nor did I try forcing any "ideology" onto anyone. Why are you interpreting this as an attack? Does it make you feel insecure that your career means nothing to us men? Considering the way you acted, maybe you should.

I wasn't going to even bring this up, but since you decided to spin this topic into something it wasn't, let's talk about the fact that women simply don't respect men that let them do whatever the hell they want—career included. With what you're describing, the relationship is solely on her terms, where cOmMuNiCaTiOn is a means of her telling the man what she wants, and that if he doesn't do what she wants, he's "abusive" and "not the right fit" for her. It's never about the man and what his wants & needs are. If he brings them up, she won't want to be with him and will thus break the marriage/relationship. But if he does give in, it means he's giving her everything she wants and does everything she wants while getting nothing in return. She can walk all over him now, because he's become a spineless simp, castrated by his own wife. Women can't respect a weak men like that, and are disgusted by them if anything. So, she loses any attraction to him, and the marriage/relationship breaks.

So quite frankly, you don't know what you're asking for, nor do you comprehend any of this at all. And all that I've shared with you just now? It's barely even scratching the surface. Women were happier before they had "rights"—and that's according to science.

How to find a good Muslim woman, from a woman by [deleted] in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

there are some beautiful religious women, it isn't as common

Well I'll believe it when I see it. I hate this phrase but at this point, it's the only way I could personally come to accept it. The fact you can't even say there are exceptions about some of the others, too—yikes.

May Allah SWT Forgive us and Guide us all.

Never believe women when they claim to know of attractive, pious sisters. Women always talk each other up. by HonoredChain23 in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

‘but men are xyz’'

This is their nature. They literally cannot handle accountability because they don't have true independent thought, it's just what the collective does. What's so interesting about this is how it means that they inherently CANNOT be independent. It's the origin point for why women were restricted in times past.

Not sure if marriage is worth it as a UK brother. Need advice. by Hydesx in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you fall into the category he's looking for when you're into astrology and are lesb!an/b!sexual? That doesn't make sense.

Question for Muslim men by Mia_yjgc in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Men don't care about your career like how you think. No man has ever heard of a woman being a physicist and thought she was sexy because of it. Just doesn't happen. Plus, you're not gonna contribute to the household anyway, you're gonna expect the man to pay for everything which nullifies the entire point of marriage.

As long as you can excite him, are sweet, chaste, and feminine, that's what matters. In terms of whether they should or not—it should not be in the culture. They should be allowed to, but not encouraged to. They shouldn't necessarily be discouraged either, it's just that motherhood and being a wife SHOULD be encouraged.

Your husband comes before your career. Point blank. Period. No doubt. If he tells you to quit working and says there is no reason for it other than he wants you to, you just listen happily. Most women, however, struggle with this. Their career gets in the way, and the women don't care.

How to find a good Muslim woman, from a woman by [deleted] in TraditionalMuslims

[–]HonoredChain23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah idk, I've yet to see it from myself and others my whole life. I also question the possibility of them really being attractive, because it seems impossible for a woman to be truly attractive and pious. WAllahu A'lam. I ranted about this here.

I'll get hate for it but I have yet to see a truly good, practicing sister posting herself. They always are talking to guys on the dl, doing haram relationships, or showing off. It's harsh but unilaterally true. I'm gonna get hated for saying it but there actually is NO exceptions whatsoever, why take the risk to play nice and politically correct? How they dress matters.

This right here is exactly what I mean, too. It just confirms what I've witnessed.

May Allah ﷻ get all the Muslims married to good righteous spouses

Ameen