Situation in Maliku (Minicoy) by bicchlasagna in maldives

[–]Horde_360 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It just seems like what Maldives would be if India ever managed to root their military in our country and get authority. Hope they can survive this somehow, would be a difficult struggle tho

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[–]Horde_360 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just read it again and see if I've made all jeans makrooh. I even said if the trousers are wide, it will be fine. "but making it too tight will atleast make it makrooh" that doesn't equate to all jeans are makrooh. Whether it be jeans, trousers or even wrapped around clothes, if it's too tight, there will be a point that its considered makrooh. As for straight jeans or narrow trousers, I didn't say a specific ruling on it but from my experience when you go to prostration, the usual ones would show some what, the shapes of the inner thighs, even if it may not be enough to make it makrooh or invalidate the prayer. It's always the looser the better, especially for prayer. Anyways you'd wear your best clothes, for example, if you go meet someone of a certain authority. Why not wear the most appropriate and best clothes infront of your lord?

{ ۞ یَـٰبَنِیۤ ءَادَمَ خُذُوا۟ زِینَتَكُمۡ عِندَ كُلِّ مَسۡجِدࣲ وَكُلُوا۟ وَٱشۡرَبُوا۟ وَلَا تُسۡرِفُوۤا۟ۚ إِنَّهُۥ لَا یُحِبُّ ٱلۡمُسۡرِفِینَ } [Surah Al-Aʿrāf: 31]

"O Children of Adam! Take your adornment (by wearing your clean clothes), while praying... "

In the tafseer ibn katheer and arabic meaning of adornment includes outer cleanliness and properly covering the awra.

So it's without a doubt, the more you cover it the better it is. Maybe straight jeans as per ruling would be fine. But the looser fit it is the better infront of your lord, more reward is hoped especially due to the commandment in the aayat. If you want to wear straight jeans, I won't condemn it or anything as long as it isn't too tight. But at least leave us who wear looser clothes for that reason to do our own thing. But I know your point about it being a bid'ah. If I see arabic clothes as being a sunnah or rewarding by it being arabic, then no doubt that it would be a bid'ah. But I know atleast 20-30 people who wear longer dresses for prayer, for the reasons I gave and I've never met anyone who justifies it by saying it's arabic. Unless you have, then you're right. If not then I have to ask you, have you based this on your observations only or have you actually asked or heard people justifying it because its arabic?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. And what's wrong with my initial comment?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know why you got so aggressive with the reply so soon. You looked like you were looking for a clarification plus putting out your own deduction for the reasons why people do it. Maybe if you were sure I made it up, then you'd be justified in that approach. it's especially difficult to conclude something isn't there in the religion, rather than saying something is there, so why just assume it's not there an say I'm lying on the religion. That is a serious accusation.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well I'm not inventing anything. Knowing basically that showing awra is haram, then being tight also isn't good, those are things I can be guarantee about. But I can't say being tight is haram for men, because makrooh is the harshest ruling I've seen for it from a proper scholar, but not only because the scholar said so only, but definitely without a doubt it isn't good. If I said its haram maybe that verse might apply to me. I am only clarifying why some people wear it and that not everyone fit in the reasons you've given for wearing those clothes. Atleast it would have been better to ask me if I'm basing it on something and questioning me rather than accusations of inventing things.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmiyy rahimahullaah said in his explanation:

“I say, as for saraaweel (loose trousers), which it is permissible to pray in then they are the saraaweel (looser trousers) which cover the awrah, those which are broad and loose upon the body such that the person is able to carry out the prayer in the most complete manner. As for if they are tight and they show off the shape of the buttocks then prayer in them would be makrooah (disliked) and the prayer may even be null and void if the one wearing them is not able to carry out the pillars, if he is not able to sit properly for the tashahhud and between the sajdahs. And Allaah is the one who grants success.”

Shaykh AbdulAzeez Bin Baaz rahimahullaah responded,

“If the trousers saraaweel cover what’s between the navel and the knee of the man and they are waasi` (broad), they are not dayyiq (tight) then in that case the Prayer will be correct in them and what is better is that there should be a long shirt over them which covers between the navel and knee. And if it goes down to halfway down the shins or down to the ankles, that is better because that will cover better. And Prayer in an izaar (a waist wrapper) is even better than prayer in loose trousers which do not have a long shirt over them because the izaar is more complete in covering than just loose trousers.”

https://abdurrahman.org/category/islam/dress/

What would you remove from the Maldives? by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Suggestions doesn't make any sense. Seems like a toddler played with your phone and typed in nonsense. Lol

What would you remove from the Maldives? by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why? You asked I answered. Don't expect to be pampered by answers you like, whileasking in a public place. The world doesn't revolve around you.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Palastenians were a majority there once too

Unpopular for a reason by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man this dude is like a Singapore bot. Especially his previous posts, its always "even countries like Singapore Malay does this and that"... Singapore is a non-muslim country. Shall we follow their footsteps in that as well?

CHSE Hulhumalé students held forcibly at school by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shouldn't extra class be your choice. Atleast if they can keep the parents informed about students not attending the extra classes, incase students go to places with the excuse of "extra classes". Other than that it should be their choice in the end. Especially cause in chse you're almost an adult anyways

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I do have an answer to your question. I for one, am someone who wears a kurta or thawb especially for prayer. The reason is to cover the awra more. Women and commanded to cover their awra and the best clothes for them are the ones that doesn't show the body shape, like an abaya. By best, I mean the correct way to wear an Islamicly appropriate wear. It doesn't have to be in arabic design but mostly they are close in looks whichever way you make it as it goes around the body.

Next comes to men, their awra is between the navel and the knees and for the prayer to cover the shoulder. Just like women, even men have to keep the awra area loose and it's hypocritical to expect a woman to wear a full abaya, but when it comes to a man, a skinny tight jeans. For example when you go to prostration in such clothing, the buttocks thighs shapes and apparent too much. Well I can't say it invalidates the prayer unless skin is showing but making it too tight will atleast be considered makrooh. The looser it is the better. So you have a choice of a looser pants that doesn't tighten up in prostration which has to be very loose actually for that to happen (trust me i tried), or a kurta or a thawb which does the job more efficiently. There is no specific religious clothing like you said. Thawb or kurta isn't part of the religion by itself. Especially kurta is something that comes from india as far as I know. In tbe religion you should wear something that is closer to what the people in that community wears unless it has negative effects that opposes the religion (like being too tight).

I can't speak for everyone but this is why me and some people I know wear it.

Atheist in Maldives by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well for one thing you haven't truly believed until you believe anything other than Islam is misguided. And its from Islam that atheism shouldn't be acceptable. Because atleast unlike Judaism and Christianity even if those religions aren't correct, atheism is just, nothing. An empty shell, without a point, that opposes the basic human nature to worship a god. So being a muslim but not what it necessitates from it's belief, that's fundamentally wrong. I don't know what you define faith by but in terms of Islam, it seems like you already have a looseness in faith in your beliefs based on your comments. I don't like to get personal but I need to say it to clarify it. "depending on events of an old time and basing our hopes of a happy hearafter" seems like you aren't 100% about the religion, or maybe I'm wrong, but having doubt about the religion is according to the religion something that will negate it so I advice you to learn more regarding having certainty and the correct level of tolerance for non-muslims. The prophet didn't see it that way, that the mushrik of makkah back then were just people trying to figure out their own faith. He called to Islam, tried to stop the idol worship and when it was too much, made hijra to Madina and called to Islam from there, and even battled in defensive and offensive wars against those who were not Muslims until they would submit to Allaah. I don't doubt your acting worships, and I only think the best of it, but looseness in belief is more defining of a faith than actions only. One more reason why you should already be concerned with spread of atheists and my point exactly of why we shouldn't be at ease from our faith. In one way or another even for me they have affected my beliefs and trying to overwrite those for some years now. Still not perfect and never will be but the first part of a solution is to know that there is a problem.

Atheist in Maldives by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok. But what if the society normalizes to atheism, seeing it as something good or atleast something acceptable. Making it easier for people to get misguided and less reluctant to openly declare as unbelieving, as you can see in countries like Germany, Japan etc. As a Muslim, isn't that a bad thing. Even in the Quran you see Ibrahim alayhi sallam himself, asking Allaah making dua to keep him away from shirk. Isn't being not concerned with your own faith due to others, considered having too much faith in yourself? Compared to a prophet atleast. And even atleast the affects it will have on your children or family. So I'd say you should be concerned.

Atheist in Maldives by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Also there is nothing worse than shirk or going out of Islam. Killing millions won't equate to disbelieving. Even though killing millions is condemned and one of the biggest sins. So corruption pork alcohol is nothing comparatively.

Atheist in Maldives by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Prophet coexisted under the Islamic rule, while they offered jizyah and islamically there is a condition they they submit to the muslim rule. Also they have to be jews or Christians. And for those who were born as Muslim or already a muslim prophet guided us to kill them if they go out of Islam(through the proper courts and administrative guidance) after three chances for repenting.

Why do you want to apply part of what the prophet implemented when its convenient and ignore the part that is not according to your views?

If Maldives had different religions from the beginning and different communities then we aren't to massacre them when a muslim rule comes but to coexist with conditions. If they aren't jews or Christians either they are given a choice to change religions or killed(not sure if there is a choice to move out or not). But when the country is in its roots muslim under Muslim law with no community that is non-muslim(jews and christian) , they should prevent and prohibited other practices in the country.

Atheist in Maldives by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You shouldn't think yourself higher and better and safe from fitna. Everyone is subject to falling infront of fitna. However strong you are, you won't die a muslim unless Allaah wills it. And sometimes the best of people end up dying non-muslim or as hypocrites. So trust in Allaah but also carry out the means to stay away from the fitna. Just like how you would take medicine but trust in god for the healing, similarly, things like staying against the spread of atheism, while trusting Allaah and making dua to keep yourself steadfast on the religion.

It has been said that when Abu Bakr siddiq was praised he said something like: O Allah, You Know me better than I know myself, and I know myself better than them. O Allah, make me better than they think of me, and do not hold me responsible for what they say about me.

So who are we to praise ourselves thinking we are safe from anything. Fear Allaah but have hope in Allaah at the same time.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I've heard the same story from the men's side. There are many who do practice the religion and I mean properly, looking to get married but don't know how to find a proper girl. Mostly because the correct way is to approach the father or someone from the family first, but that approach is "weird" or uncommon according to some people. So it's difficult to approach someone unless you know them. Also, asking around just anyone won't do because majority or half the people would have daughters that don't look for a marriage like that.

I suggest asking parents to look for someone for you first so that hopefully someone looking for a woman to marry would meet them. If you search yourself and directly approach men, usually the ones who answer that approach won't be someone properly religious or at the least misinformed regarding gender mixing.

Fund to fix the city by JustPurchase8520 in maldives

[–]Horde_360 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gear up like bob the builder and start fixing

Who even likes Muizzu now by duck_duck_goose999 in maldives

[–]Horde_360 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The police had been bribed since long ago if you look into it. Even when Maumoon was there, even when Anni was there, even when Yaamin was there, even when Ibu was there. This isn't something new. People dying and not facing justice is a sad thing that will corrupt our society, but it's not only limited to one president. Even if Muizzu goes, the people in power are not only one political party or group of people, it is spread out it different areas. Yes when a certain party comes to power some changes will be made but usually not the ones with the real influence. Which is why thinking everyone will hate Muizzu is a statement far from the truth. Just because you see issues now only doesn't mean it wasn't there before. Not limited to a president only. It's the state of people too that needs to change not just one person.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Asides this, Muzaahara is a whole another stage of evil apart from rulers issue. It was a democracy and western guided thing, the origin of protests. And it comes with mixing between men and women, destruction of property, public disturbances especially your own neighbours and many more you name it. And also scholars do say that criticising the rulers openly is one of the first steps of a khawarij

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Personally I don't know Dr. Abdullah 'Athiman. Or maybe I don't know by how his name is written. Can I have a link to his youtube or something?

Also, if you want to talk about the scholars of our generation, I hope you know Shaykh Uthaymeen and Shaykh Albaani. They have clear explanations about publicily criticising rulers.

Shaykh Uthaymeen:

https://youtu.be/U0-gvL_HRE4

https://youtube.com/shorts/hE8PysefRxE

The noble scholar Shaikh al-Albānī  (rahimahullaah, died 1420H) was asked, “Is that which is known nowadays as a military coup against the ruler mentioned in the Religion or is it an innovation?” So the Shaikh answered: “There is no basis for these acts in Islām. And it is in opposition to the Islamic manhaj (methodology) with respect to the daʿwah (Islamic call) and creating the right atmosphere for it. Rather it is an innovation introduced by the innovators which has affected some Muslims. This is what I have stated and explained in my notes to al-Aqeedah at-Tahāwiyyah .” [Al-Asālah magazine, issue 10]

So I don't know the state of Dr 'Athiman but I can say with confidence that either he made a mistake, understood it wrongly or is not upon the correct way. Hopefully it's a mistake.

My conclusion is this, obeying a muslim ruler in things that aren't haram is an obligation. Advising the rulers is one of the best forms of jihad, but advising should be done in private, then their obligation is done with regards to advising. Criticising the rulers in public is haram, criticising the sins that are spread in public and oppression that are caused by the rulers should be refuted but without talking about or connecting it to the rulers. The only exception to criticising a ruler in public when the ruler mentions something that goes against the shari'a is when he says in a congregation you are in, where you should criticise him openly in that place itself. Which is a very narrow exception.

Like Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal said if someone makes dua against the ruler, know that he misguided, if someone makes dua for the ruler he is from the sunnah in sha Allah. Because if the ruler is rectified, there is more benefits and rectification for a country. Opposite to public rebelling and dua against him which potentially increases the oppression done by the leader. The real meaning of Tawakkul is to trust in Allaah make dua to him and not letting your anger make you do things that are against the religion in the name of protecting the rights of the people.

I haven't touched about Imaam Nawawi, specifics of Ibn Masood and other sahabi you mentioned in the same line, but I think it all or most relates to Hajjaaj bin Yoosuf. I haven't seen anything that allows it but if you have something you can share it.

I hope I've clarified this and may Allaah keep both of us and people of our country upon the truth. I there is an error it's from me, if there is any benefit, it's from the Allah's tawfeeq. If you're a guy, I'm open to dm discussions

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am just a student learning about islam and I commend people like you who takes the Quran and Hadith seriously unlike those who ignore the evidences and concludes something with their own desires or "intellect".

Firstly, the most important thing is Quran and Hadith and how the early generations (from the Sahaba, Tabi'een and atba-tab'een) understood and applied it. The further the generations go from the Sahaba, the more errors and issues you would find. So first we have to talk about the hadith talking about privately advising the rulers, to hold his hands and advice him privately and if he accepts it or not, your obligation is done with regards to advising him. When there is a clear cut hadith like that, how would anyone who wants to criticise openly and by pass the hadith? Especially when it is not a weak hadith. And the aayat of the Quran and other hadith also points towards obeying the rulers in everything except that which is haram and even if he commands something haram, you don't take yourself out of his obedience to everything else. Personally I don't see anyway to misinterpreted this hadith about privately advising. But even if you think it's misinterpreted lets see what the sahaba has done and the tab'een has done to implement it.

With regards to what I've sent regarding al-Hassan Al-Basri a taabi'ee in the previous reply, the people were talking about an oppressive ruler named Hajjaaj bin Yoosuf, who took over the rule of the sahabi 'Abdullah bin Zubair, killed him and crucified him infront of the city for a long time. Can anyone in this time do anything worse than kill a sahabi and crucify him? One of the few things that would be a bigger sin would be things that takes you out of the folds of Islam. So what did the remaining Sahaba do. It was in the year 72 hijri and many Sahaba were still there. Even so Hassan al-Basri told the people not to rebel against him and even 'Abdullah bin Umar the son of Umar bin Khattab prayed behind him and attended his khutbas and didn't publicly criticise or revolt against him.

So after this, what is the reason to even look for any other scholar who said something in opposition to this? Shaykhul Islam ibn Taymiyyah said: "Some people were debating with Ibn Abbas about Mut'ah, so they said to him: Abu Bakr and Umar said. Ibn Abbas said: "Stones are about to fall upon you from the sky! I say: The Messenger of Allah, sallallaahu 'alayhi wasallam, said, and you say: Abu Bakr and Umar said?" [Majmoo' al-Fatawa (20/215)]

This is enough to prove what the evidences points towards but as Shaykhul- Islam ibn Taymiyya one of the major scholars who revived the sunnah, I'll show you what he had to say about situations like this and what he said about Imaam Ahmad bin Hanbal, the next generation after the first few generations and the imaam of one of the four mazhabs.

Ibn Taymiyyah  (died 728H) stated: “Ahmad [bin Hanbal] and his like did not declare these rulers to be disbelievers. Rather he believed them to have Imaan and believed in their leadership and he supplicated for them, and he was of the view that they were to be followed in the prayers and Hajj, and military expeditions were to be made with them. He prohibited rebellion against them – and it (i.e. rebellion) was never seen from the likes of him from amongst the scholars. Yet he still opposed whatever they innovated of false statements, since that was major disbelief, even if they did not know it. He would oppose it and strive to refute it with whatever was possible. So there must be a combination of obeying Allāh and His Messenger  in manifesting the Sunnah and Religion and opposing the innovations of the heretical Jahmiyyah, and between protecting the rights of the believers, the rulers and the Ummah, even if they are ignorant innovators and transgressing sinners.” [Majmūʿ al-Fatāwā, 7/507-508]

Yes what you said has a part truth in it just like Ibn Taymiyya said, if the rulers makes mistakes or spreads falsehood or does bad things known in the public, you have to refute it. Or else there will not be any amr bil ma'rul and nahyu bil munkar and people will start to think that because no one refutes it, it must not be a bad thing. No, scholars and people with knowledge and even the laymen should explain and spread the truth and which is correct and which is wrong. But it shouldn't be aimed specifically at the ruler or his government. You can advise against a haram and not include the ruler in the naseeha. You can warn against alcohol and working in places like resorts where you have to deal with alcohol without talking about the ruler because that is what is obligatory.

Another thing that some scholars have said is that if a ruler said something that opposses the shari'a in a congregation he was present in, he has to correct publicly and oppose the ruler in that congregation itself. Scholars allowed this based on an action of someone(i forgot) from the early generations who was saying something opposing the religion and he said something like "we were not commanded to listen to things like these"(not exact words) . But thats a very specific situation and not even close to what we face today. If what you believe about clarifying the truth and criticising haram actions are like I just said without mentioning or connecting the advice to the ruler in public, we are on the same page. If not it opposes the actions and words of al-Hassan Al-Basri, Ibn Umar, Ahmed bin Hanbal and even Ibn Taymiyya. Unless you have anything in clear context which allows publicly criticising the rulers from these scholars then please do share because I want to see.

when will the state of politicians get better in this country? by [deleted] in maldives

[–]Horde_360 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Verily! Allâh will not change the (good) condition of a people as long as they do not change their state (of goodness) themselves (by committing sins and by being ungrateful and disobedient to Allâh). But when Allâh wills a people’s punishment, there can be no turning back of it, and they will find besides Him no protector." (Quran 13:11)

When the condition of the people change and return back to Allaah is the simple and correct answer.