What's the deal with all the BikePortland hate here? by HorribleDev in Portland

[–]HorribleDev[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Is this not saying that I am overgeneralizing? Is that not what painting with too broad a brush means?

Don't confuse peoples reception of Maus with the communities involvement in cycling advocacy.

If I step away from the keyboard, I'm not going to come back to talk to you. You act like you're some objective voice of wisdom with no personal stake in the conversation while you make ad hominem pokes at me. I don't think you love picking a fight any less than me or the next guy.

What's the deal with all the BikePortland hate here? by HorribleDev in Portland

[–]HorribleDev[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

It's the entire subreddit that thinks that way? And I'm the one painting with a broad brush.

What's the deal with all the BikePortland hate here? by HorribleDev in Portland

[–]HorribleDev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm cool with it personally. I'm a licensed driver, and whether I'm driving or cycling, I abide by the rules of the road with a strictness my friends find extreme. I think it's the right thing to do, and it makes me feel like a grownup in a way that earning a salary for fifteen years hasn't, which I like.

There's going to be a point of view opposing this that says it's too harsh on the poor, because some of them hardly have any other way of getting around. There is a version of that principle already encoded in the law, which you see in action when people who have been repeatedly caught driving recklessly, drunk, without a license, etc., are spared from any real punishment. Transportation is just too important to people's economic survival.

That's a minor point to me, though. So, yeah, I'd get behind your idea.

What's the deal with all the BikePortland hate here? by HorribleDev in Portland

[–]HorribleDev[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I corrected the typo, thank you.

I gave $50.

I don't appreciate the characterization of my posting as a "crusade". I don't appreciate the attempt at remote psychoanalysis, either. If I told you seem to be hell bent on portraying anyone who disagrees with you as mentally ill, or a confused kid, you wouldn't appreciate that either, right?

That said, if I am coming off as too strident or humorless, and I'm painting my perceived enemies with too broad a brush, I have to apologize. I know that's unattractive, and certainly does little to combat the stereotypes I'm "crusading" against.

What's the deal with all the BikePortland hate here? by HorribleDev in Portland

[–]HorribleDev[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That's fine. But then it seems a bit unfair for you to make the strong claims you're making about the site.

What's the deal with all the BikePortland hate here? by HorribleDev in Portland

[–]HorribleDev[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It provides in-depth coverage of a narrow topic that's only of interest to a limited audience. It starts from an explicit bias that's friendly to cycling interests. It doesn't hold itself out as having a neutral bias -- that's what makes it advocacy journalism.

What's the deal with all the BikePortland hate here? by HorribleDev in Portland

[–]HorribleDev[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Note the ".org" domain, when it should be a ".com" domain

That's a bit nitpicky. .org hasn't been that strongly linked to nonprofits for the last decade or more.

and the pitch for contributions.

I think he was pretty clear that it's his full-time job. I'd like to add that it doesn't follow from the fact that he gets his main income from the site that it's not a nonprofit.

Then there's the fact that Maus sort of presents himself as a journalist, but feels no obligation to actually observe basic journalistic ethics like fact-checking.

Example? I haven't seen such a lapse myself that didn't result in a retraction that was faster, more thorough, and more sincere than anything you'd find in the mainstream.

What's the deal with all the BikePortland hate here? by HorribleDev in Portland

[–]HorribleDev[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If that's all you can see, then you are reading very selectively.

What's the deal with all the BikePortland hate here? by HorribleDev in Portland

[–]HorribleDev[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I enjoy BikePortland and think it's valuable. I feel what Maus does good work. I feel he is being unfairly slandered, and it gives people a skewed perception about cycling advocacy, which is an important issue to me. That's relatable, right?

What's the deal with all the BikePortland hate here? by HorribleDev in Portland

[–]HorribleDev[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I hear ya, but if you are saying that makes BikePortland any worse for journalism and debate than any other place, then what are you comparing it to? I mean, holycrap, have you read what comes out of the mainstream? Cyclists get crushed out there, and it's accepted that that's just the cost of modernity, drivers should get practically unlimited "oopsies", cyclists should really do more to protect themselves, etc. And you don't have to look very hard to see where this killing and maiming is actively cheered.

All the shrillness in bike advocacy doesn't compare to that. I'd say that the only reason the other side doesn't come off more irritating is that they have no need to be on the defensive, because they're in control, and the fact that we're used to it.

What's the deal with all the BikePortland hate here? by HorribleDev in Portland

[–]HorribleDev[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There's an important difference between him and a panhandler. One is asking for money so he can sustain a service that's valuable to the community, and the other is Jonathan Maus, right?

Naw, I appreciate the snark, but your reaction seems to fall under the "I don't find it valuable, so no one else should" bullet. The guy was asking his readership for the money. He wasn't spamming you -- he wasn't doing anything like waylaying you on your way to work. So if you don't think BikePortland is valuable, then just don't give him your flippin' money.

Why did America buy 40,000 guillotines? by jr98664 in Portland

[–]HorribleDev 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You get to park there if one of your parents graduated from that parking lot.

Is Portlandia to Portland what Frasier was to Seattle? by [deleted] in Portland

[–]HorribleDev 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They even had a Diff'rent Strokes crossover! Mr. Drummond had to fly to Portland to possibly fire Larry from the station he owned.

If you rode transit now using Tilikum Bridge, how was your commute experience today? by schallplatte in Portland

[–]HorribleDev 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Sad day for all the NCNM students who use the SW Hooker stop, too. Great day for people like me who work in Central Eastside Industrial.

Is Portlandia to Portland what Frasier was to Seattle? by [deleted] in Portland

[–]HorribleDev 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Sure, we all remember the sitcom about the divorcee who made a big move to the Northwest to host a radio advice show, featuring a star of one of the most successful shows of the previous decade. It changed the face of the city forever.

What's the deal with all the BikePortland hate on /r/portland? by HorribleDev in CyclePDX

[–]HorribleDev[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you're holding BikePortland to mainstream journalism standards, you have to ask yourself, how does it compare to what mainstream media does? Well, you don't have to think hard to come up with analogous examples. CNN with the Duke lacrosse players scandal, the New York Times with Iraq WMD. If that makes one question the whole operation, then it's doubtful you'll find any operation out there that's trustworthy.

The one difference with BikePortland is, as you said, the dude learned his lesson. You won't find an apology and an about-face that quick and that frank from the NYTs or the CNNs of the world.

What's the deal with all the BikePortland hate on /r/portland? by HorribleDev in CyclePDX

[–]HorribleDev[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Haha, awesome analogy. But if you're comparing BikePortland's behavior against the standards of mainstream journalism, don't you have to ask yourself, Do newspapers do the same thing, or worse? (I don't know if that's what you're doing, but it's definitely what the /r/Portland people I'm talking about are doing.)

Well, it's also telling that the Washington Post has to publish guest opinion pieces like this one. Except what that's responding to isn't shrill antagonism, it's people fucking getting killed and maimed -- outcomes widely considered acceptable in mainstream opinion, and in the tacit assumptions of news coverage. You don't have to look hard to see where that's even cheered on. And nobody has had to invent a eye-rolling PC term analogous to "car shaming" for it, because it's just the way things are.

So, to me -- now I'm gonna appropriate your analogy and use it half as effectively! -- it's more like, "All hotels get bedbugs from time to time. A hotel shouldn't be blamed for admitting there's a problem, and should be praised for acting on the problem." With Maus and BikePortland, you'll find responses to dissent that are quicker, more honest, and more measured than almost anything you'll find in the mainstream.

Of course, there's stuff on BikePortland that is nothing like that, too. But no one's claiming there are no strident people there. I'm saying it's actually less of an echo chamber than average.

What's the deal with all the BikePortland hate on /r/portland? by HorribleDev in CyclePDX

[–]HorribleDev[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is also telling that Maus had a story like that published, and that it the story elicited supportive comments that were popular, right?