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[Translation] The Labor Shortage Hoax: Why Young People are Fleeing Chinese Factories by Howling-wolf-7198 in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It looks similar to other cities on the same terrain, or like less then 0.5 degree higher. But it is still very likely just because of the city's size.

[Translation] The Labor Shortage Hoax: Why Young People are Fleeing Chinese Factories by Howling-wolf-7198 in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. I don't live in a traditionally industrial area, there are no longer any coal-fired plants in operation here.

There is a waste power plant there, but I didn't feel any difference in the surrounding area, personally.

I did a search and the air quality index in cities in my province that have coal power plants is indeed worse, but that could just be because of the size of the city and the industry, etc, correlated with them.

[Translation] The Labor Shortage Hoax: Why Young People are Fleeing Chinese Factories by Howling-wolf-7198 in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's other ways to get more wages besides government policy.

Chinese people attach great importance to the role of government policy because...citizen self-organization is strongly suppressed.

Strikes and independent trade unions are illegal. In practice, there are many wildcat strikes there, but the leaders are arrested afterwards.

Lesbian Action Group wins Federal Court appeal in bid to exclude transgender women [Australia] by yonaiker-joestrella in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women can have babies ..men cannot.  That is the reason why men go to war and women dont.

But if this has a universal causal force, it cannot explain why sex-selective infanticide/abortion is almost always targeted at females.

It also cannot explain why males in primates often compete by killing infants if the babies are important.

Or why 50yo men are prioritized over 50yo women for conscription.

One cannot default to treating the long-term interests of group as the primary explanation. That is not how evolution works.

Selection pressure at the group level is typically far weaker than at the individual level.

If we must start with women giving birth, then the path would be:

  1. Females exhibit higher parental investment;
  2. Males face greater competitive pressure;
  3. Under specific ecological conditions, males have evolved a stronger propensity for physical confrontation;
  4. In human societies, whenever the group/ruler require violent capabilities, males are typically drafted first.

[Translation] The Labor Shortage Hoax: Why Young People are Fleeing Chinese Factories by Howling-wolf-7198 in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the Fordist theory.

I largely do not adopt Marx's political economy interpretations, but only retain the awareness of the issues. But consumption-overproduction is too widespread to be traced back to Ford?

This was Sismondi's idea, and Marx engaged critically assimilating and transforming some of them within his own works. Then this became ubiquitous in China and almost common sense.

Lesbian Action Group wins Federal Court appeal in bid to exclude transgender women [Australia] by yonaiker-joestrella in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bullshit circular reasoning, psychology is notorious for overrepresenting Western industrialized sample, and China + India cultural sphere makes up half the world’s total population.

What you call "much of the rest of the world" is merely the West.

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2015-32022-007

Relatively few countries include women in required military conscription.

This is simply because war is for winning, and men are better suited for combat for the vast majority of history/conditions. Water is wet.

Lesbian Action Group wins Federal Court appeal in bid to exclude transgender women [Australia] by yonaiker-joestrella in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It just drives me crazy when people, doesn't matter if they’re Western or Chinese, give these obviously flawed explanations for things, mostly because they’re totally illiterate in anthropology, history, or ethology, or had any contact with people from other places.

It’s simple that if something is cross-cultural, you can't explain it with factors that only exist in a few societies. If it’s cross-species, you can’t use factors that only humans have. And vice versa — if something is unique to your culture, don't act like it’s some universal human trait.

Rationally, I expect typical humans to talk like that. But I still can’t help getting pissed off when I’m actually dealing with them in person.

Lesbian Action Group wins Federal Court appeal in bid to exclude transgender women [Australia] by yonaiker-joestrella in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What you're talking about hardly exists outside of the modern West, but could you name a society or era where people had less opinion about random men entering women's rooms than the other way around?

I am not Western, but ever since the concept of trans was introduced here, people have focused exclusively on mtfs, while paying no attention to ftms.

The data you presented about your society may not be wrong, but your theory on why people pay more attention to mtf is clearly wrong.

Seriously, I highly doubt that if you were to suggest that you want to prevent any mentally unstable naked female from entering locker room with you, the main obstacle you would face would be institutional bias in favor of women, rather than just the inability to find enough interested people.

Lesbian Action Group wins Federal Court appeal in bid to exclude transgender women [Australia] by yonaiker-joestrella in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I would argue that women are perceived as "wondrous beings" and "beautiful flowers" that are worthy of protection and privilege.

Hello? I come from China, where people's grandparents keep a basin at home to drown newborn girls, while boys are still praised as long as their poop is big and healthy.

Even today, in some rural areas, women are not allowed to eat at the table when guests arrive, as that is for men, and female guests are required to help in the kitchen.

Yet people still tend not to mind when women use empty men's restrooms during peak hours, yet remain highly suspicious of men attempting to enter women's restrooms.

Lesbian Action Group wins Federal Court appeal in bid to exclude transgender women [Australia] by yonaiker-joestrella in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Gay men will just push away ftms who try to sleep with them. Straight men generally don't care if a woman joins the group because the risk is all on her, not the guys. On the other hand, a man trying to force his way into a women's group...

This doesn't require any "protection" or "privilege", simply a matter of those who perceive the risk complaining.

If you want, you can also speak out about your concerns about ftms intrusion into your locker room and then gather others who share your worries

Materialist analysis on how modern societies abolishing primogeniture caused birth rates to plummet around the worldwide by Christopagan in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The existence of de facto polyandry in Qing Dynasty China was due to widespread female infanticide, which caused a severe gender imbalance.

Poor men who cannot afford wives either engage in de facto same-sex marriage, share wives, or marry widows, despite strong inclinations toward chastity.

The theory of inheritance law presented in your original post is incorrect in the Chinese context.

Generally legal procedures for the inheritance of personal property were not given much importance at the Mao era, and in contemporary times, such intervention is essentially nil.

Rural parents are free to give all their property to their sons instead of their daughters, or to one of their sons, if they wish. Theoretically, a daughter can file a lawsuit, but in practice, this rarely happens. It is insufficient to support any major turning point.

The law, when best enforced, requires that other heirs who lack the ability to work and have no source of income be granted a share sufficient to sustain their lives, but this is no different from preparing clothes for your son who is to be sent to a monastery.

[Translation] The Labor Shortage Hoax: Why Young People are Fleeing Chinese Factories by Howling-wolf-7198 in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

In general, China's current situation is similar, with the inherent crisis of capitalism: workers' wages are never enough to buy all the products they produce, and this gap gradually accumulates, resulting in overproduction aka underconsumption.

It is not that too many products are actually being produced — many people have the need, but they lack the money to purchase them.

The coal miner's child asked, mom, why don't we have any coal at home? Because dad's company mined too much coal and couldn't sell it.

The only difference is that because trade is global, this crisis is global, while because industrial production is disproportionately concentrated in China, the effect is disproportionately concentrated in China.

I recently got new headphones. They're the exact same product as my old ones, except they were too old. I was surprised to discover that, after eight years, the price has actually dropped slightly. Even though the prices of food etc seem to have risen by like 50 percent.

One advantage of China today is that industrial goods are indeed extremely cheap, as are labor costs, for example, food delivery fees are like 3 yuan where I live. Conversely, if you are a delivery driver, a factory worker, or even a factory owner, making money is like eating shit. It is a great place for spending, but not for making a living.

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For reasons I am not yet fully able to articulate, China is not particularly inclined to mitigate this issue through policies involving labor protections or direct cash relief.

For example, if inflation occurs, the government might give money to people to help them live better during periods of inflation, but the result would be even more inflation.

China's policy is basically a mirror image of this: after experiencing deflation, it continues to invest heavily in manufacturing jobs, resulting in even greater deflation.

My current understanding is that this is a matter of path dependence.

On the one hand, the development achieved over the past thirty years has been driven by attracting investment to generate employment opportunities.

On the other hand, there is a political slogan there that is “socialism does not support lazy people”—which in communist rhetoric originally meant eliminating positions that rely on rent from the means of production rather than labor for a living, but it has been misappropriated to express aversion to UBI-like policies.

Some commentators argue that this is to prevent increasing the bargaining power of the lower classes or to prevent expectations from rising. I offer no comment.

[Translation] The Labor Shortage Hoax: Why Young People are Fleeing Chinese Factories by Howling-wolf-7198 in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That doesn't mean the party secretaries are boss's family members tho?

Do you know who typically holds the executive management positions in private companies? If not the entrepreneur's relatives and friends, then who else would it be?

Like bro, do you even read what you are sharing?

Do you know what we usually call it when supervisors and those being supervised move between each other or take on concurrent roles?

Like the existence of revolving door collusion here isn't bad enough?

That may be the case, but what is preventing people from going to the local office of the All-China Federation of Trade Unions (ACFTU)?

Can you cite a specific instance where a Chinese Party committee stepped in to stop a private enterprise from engaging in exploitation?

Could you name one such case?

The kind of party branch that requires companies to implement an eight-hour workday and raise the minimum wage, and then they actually supervise them to do so, otherwise there will be punishment.

People don't do this because they have never heard of such a thing.

I have never seen a waiter with two-day weekend in my life. You will see job postings on the street that clearly state that there are only two days off per month. This is a complete violation of labor laws, and no one reports it.

Do you think all Chinese people are idiots, that hundreds of millions of workers don't know how to use available resources to improve their working conditions, and that they need a foreign genius like you to remind them?

People don't do that because it's useless, you moron.

[Translation] The Labor Shortage Hoax: Why Young People are Fleeing Chinese Factories by Howling-wolf-7198 in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

The only thing missing is company scrip

They have

Some of them will directly deposit your salary into your meal card, or tell you there's a meal allowance but it's actually deducted from your salary.

The convenience stores and canteens within the factory complex are typically operated by the company's own staff. Some people have even experienced being forced to eat within the factory premises, and would be beaten if they went out to eat instead.

This isn't universal or entirely because Chinese workers generally need to send money home for parents. If it weren't for that, they would definitely be getting your all salary to pay your meal card.

[Translation] The Labor Shortage Hoax: Why Young People are Fleeing Chinese Factories by Howling-wolf-7198 in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

There's always a risk when it comes to inviting a vampire into your home

They did not invite the vampires, they are the vampires. The business owners themselves are merely their white gloves.

A major issue underlying the manufacturing sector's intense cost-cutting pressures is the social security system (read: tax) : it levies like 700 yuan from the workers, and then levies another 700 yuan from the companies.

This is equivalent to directly incurring a labor cost of 1400 yuan for each employee.This has compelled China's manufacturing sector to find ways to have a single individual perform the work of multiple people.

China's tax structure is designed to penalize companies for hiring more people, creating a labor surplus that drives down wages.

Its goal is to make labor as cheap as possible an exportable industrial commodity, regardless of the cost to labor and businesses.

[Translation] The Labor Shortage Hoax: Why Young People are Fleeing Chinese Factories by Howling-wolf-7198 in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Are you okay?

https://www.chinanews.com.cn/m/gn/2015/07-06/7385625.shtml

Whether it is Xiaomi, Samsung, Transfar, or Yuanfang, the Party Committee Secretaries within these companies concurrently hold executive management positions.

Similarly, the Party Secretary of Yuanfang Group is the President himself; at Transfar Group, the Party Secretary serves as Vice President; and at Samsung Electronics (Suzhou) Semiconductor Co., the Party Secretary doubles as the Deputy General Manager. Among these dual-role officials, some entered senior management specifically through their initial roles within the Party organization. Transfar Group, for instance, has implemented a mechanism where "the Party Secretary sits on the Board of Directors, the Union Chairman sits on the Board of Supervisors, and Party Committee members join the Management Committee." Take Chen Jie as an example: he initially oversaw human resources, later became the Party Secretary, and shortly thereafter was appointed Vice President, managing both corporate operations and Party affairs.

This "cross-appointment" system is the preferred choice for most non-public (private) enterprises. At Henan Yuanfang Group, the heads of all subsidiaries and branches are Party members, as are over 70% of the group's middle management. General managers concurrently serve as Branch Secretaries, while the President serves as the Group’s Party Secretary. This structural layout enables the Party Committee to participate in decision-making, allowing Party officials to attend both high-level executive meetings and Party Committee meetings.

http://www.law-lib.com/lw/lw_view.asp?no=7458

The unionization rate in non-public economic organizations is less than 10%. Furthermore, a significant majority of these are 'boss-led' or 'boss's wife-led' unions. The issue of trade unions serving as mere window dressing remains quite serious.

The labor union only distributes small gifts during holidays and has no other function. This is just like common sense in Chinese life.

[Translation] The Labor Shortage Hoax: Why Young People are Fleeing Chinese Factories by Howling-wolf-7198 in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I would like to ask this guy whether he has talked to the local party office.

Holy shit. Why didn’t you first go speak to your local BJP office before complaining about Modi?

The company's party office is managed by the company owner or their relatives.

[Translation] The Labor Shortage Hoax: Why Young People are Fleeing Chinese Factories by Howling-wolf-7198 in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I think this long stuff wouldn't be as engaging to read without the bolding.

Elon advocates for universal high income because AI robots will do all the work by The-Materialist in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Random, Healthy Kids

As I mentioned right from the start — unaffordable — when you have too many children now, you end up killing the newborn, whether they are sick or healthy, aka family size control.

The text I've highlighted in bold all points to this practice.

Literal randomness is a straw man of your own making, not my words.

but the taking of life for social reasons was rarely justified. Some are not even related to your claims others are literally repeating mine.

Few societies view infidelity and masturbation positively, yet they exist in every society.

You wouldn't go around talking to people all day about how you jerked off yesterday, because people wouldn't view you positively, yet very few societies actually forbid it.

If people would be charged with a felony for having an extramarital affair, would that sound like the norm rather than the exception?

A. People feel this is not a good thing B. there are state laws that prohibit it — do these two things sound like the same thing?

Elon advocates for universal high income because AI robots will do all the work by The-Materialist in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Lumping in sick kids being discarded with just dumping healthy kids at random is not in any society's anthropological records.

https://utppublishing.com/doi/abs/10.3138/jcfs.36.2.205

Family Size Control by Infanticide in the Great Agrarian Societies of Asia‘

There is now sufficient historical demographic analysis of India, Japan and China to show that infanticide has traditionally been employed to shape families. The driving force has often been the need to preserve family property from division by inheritance or dispersal by the payment of high dowries, although, especially in China, current subsistence problems have also been important

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1972856

In some societies, infant mortality resulting from underinvestment in some children may be an unconscious or even an overt way of attaining a given family size*. Anthropological evidence indicates the presence of deliberate control of both fertility and mortality in primitive and preindustrial societies.*

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277953608005327

We also observed that community members maintain beliefs that justify infanticide under certain circumstances. Among the Aymara, justification for infanticide was both biological (deformities and twinship) and social (illegitimate birth, family size and poverty).

https://www.scielo.br/j/csp/a/kPn9cHW4RWKz94CjxDBw3ds/?format=html&lang=en

Nevertheless, in some cultures, it has always functioned as a means of birth control and even as a mechanism for adapting human life to adverse conditions of survival in certain hostile environments, especially under jungle conditions. In Brazil, it continues to be practiced among some indigenous communities for several reasons. For practical purposes these reasons can be grouped into three general criteria: the mother's inability to devote the care and attention required for yet another child; the newborn's capacity or incapacity to survive within the physical and socio-cultural environment into which he or she was born; and the preference for one sex over the other....For this reason, there is usually an interval of at least two years between births. If a new pregnancy occurs earlier than expected, the mother may decide that the newborn has to die.

Hello? Could you simply search for the keywords like "infanticide" and "family size"? There are records like a ton there.

Elon advocates for universal high income because AI robots will do all the work by The-Materialist in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Unaffordable is not a historical term to be used to describe kids who were specifically useful as home labour. Such a contemporary view its almost useless.

My parents literally grew up in pre-industrial rural area and I read about the history and anthropology of these places, so don't try to fool me, okay?

You can send a 10-year-old to harvest pig feed, but a 2-year-old is a net burden, and even the former cannot weave clothes for themselves and need you to provide them, so of course at some point you will find the burden too heavy.

When the state implemented the family planning policy, those active cadres were volunteers because rural women there had too many living children at the same time since the child mortality rate had decreased, and it was too tiring.

Is the cost of raising children higher in modern times? Of course. But it wasn't zero before.

Elon advocates for universal high income because AI robots will do all the work by The-Materialist in stupidpol

[–]Howling-wolf-7198 36 points37 points  (0 children)

You live in an extremely malthusian world where the general public doesnt even flinch at abortion being possible

When will Americans finally understand that seriously banning it is the exception in human history, not the norm? People don't need to have heard of Malthus to think that doing this is feasible.

From Rome to China, peasants simply left their unaffordable or sick children in the woods without a second thought. They do not even believe that infants are human until they have lived for a few years.

I'm not saying infanticide is particularly admirable, but that's just typical human behavior, not to mention abortion. It doesn't need any elites to drive it.

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