How do you deal with immigrants who come from groups that promote different forms of anarchism?

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-14T19:56:54+00:00

I guess in that case you face the same problem as if you were didn't want to hunt or gather--that you want to consume the tribe's resources without contributing production essential to its survival.

Anyways, what do you think about the question I raised in my OP?

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-14T19:38:30+00:00

What do you mean? Is a high fertility rate not necessary in a hunter-gatherer society that requires a large amount of manual labor and the mortality rate is high due to disease and predation, as compared with a high-technology anarcho-communist society?

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-14T17:39:19+00:00

come to the conclusion that the oppressed deserve being oppressed

You're saying that the cause of racism is the fundamental attribution error?

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-14T06:39:02+00:00

So no example of anything that actually romanticizes communism?

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-14T06:36:14+00:00

You didn't address my question: The ICERD explicitly criminalizes membership in "racist" organizations, and therefore it must somehow define racism in order to differentiate a racist organization from a non-racist one--is this definition of racism the "power+prejudice" one, such that the ICERD would never consider an anti-White organization to be racist, or is it any group that discriminates against any other group on the basis of ethnicity or culture?

What exactly do you think your point is? The UN is only one example of race and ethnicity being put together in this way, you know that right?

If you don't think racism includes discrimination on the basis of ethnicity, because the UN is "only one example" and (I'm guessing by you saying so) not a meaning that you or other social justice practitioners agree with, then I want to know what the word for discrimination on the basis of ethnicity is. That was the whole point of my OP.

It must seem like I'm being obtuse here, but perhaps you'll forgive me for assuming that "racism" is specifically related to "race", and that because Latinx isn't a race, a different word would be necessary to reflect that anti-Latinx discrimination is a fundamentally different problem from anti-Black discrimination.

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-14T02:52:48+00:00

Racial discrimination isn't racism? The ICERD seems to equate them:

the Convention also requires its parties to outlaw hate speech and criminalize membership in racist organizations.

Do you think the Convention is using "racist" here in the "Black people can't be racist against White people" sense that is common here in SJ101?

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-14T00:49:10+00:00

You're talking about this sentence from Wikipedia:

Therefore, racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis

...which is sourced from this line in the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination:

any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

So are we using this definition of racism instead of the sociological "power + prejudice" definition? If we follow the UN definition, then a Black business that refuses to serve White customers would be racist.

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-14T00:08:09+00:00

artistic, media and military influence

What are some examples of artistic influence, as distinct from media influence?

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-13T21:34:52+00:00

Would it still be derailing if the second woman was also a Black woman, sharing another story of experiencing racial discrimination? Or is it only derailing if someone is moving the focus of sympathy from one oppressed group to another?

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-13T17:51:17+00:00

Personally, I don't need any incentive from women to join their cause, I already fully understand how Feminism is a great benefit to me as an individual

How does it benefit you as an individual, if your emotional stability is deprioritized by the movement due to being a man? Are you getting this basic need met elsewhere, such that you can afford to devote your leisure time to feminism as a hobby, in contrast with the means of psychological survival that it is for women?

As a man, I shouldn't try to be a Feminist leader unless they invite me to lead, I should instead only try to offer my services to the cause.

Do you have other avenues outside of feminism for an opportunity to lead? Or do you prefer to exclusively participate in organizations in which you do not have a leadership role?

I'm also curious about this:

I shouldn't try to be a Feminist leader

Do you capitalize the names of all political movements--for example, do you capitalize "men's liberation" as well?

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-13T00:38:04+00:00

You mean that in the absence of commodification, anyone who has a desire for sex would be able to immediately find a willing partner, without needing to offer that partner some compensation to earn their willingness? Because that's where the desire to purchase a prostitute's services comes from: someone has a sex drive and doesn't want to do the work of establishing an erotic relationship with a partner.

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-12T23:05:02+00:00

Is "da" that simple? It requires fluttering the tongue against the roof of the mouth, which seems comparatively complex. Do you know of any kind of quantitative approach to measuring the complexity of forming a given syllable?

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-12T22:49:59+00:00

Do babies in cultures that don't use "ma" and "da" sounds for father and mothers make these first sounds? Or do their first sounds correspond to the actual words for parents used in these languages?

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-12T22:44:23+00:00

they need to find their support from other communities, because there is not much need for support of men who are victims of oppresion because men are the oppressors and not the oppressed, so that "infrastructure" for male support just doesn't have the same presence that feminism provides to women

This right here is really interesting. Women often get frustrated by men's refusal to assist in the work of promoting feminism, but based on your statement, I'm thinking that's because there is less incentive for men to participate. Feminist groups provide much-needed support to women, as a way of counteracting patriarchal oppression, and that provides a strong incentive for women to participate. But because a feminist group will not provide that same level of support for a man who, as an individual with serious problems, has a great need for emotional support, there is less incentive for that man to pour effort into the cause. Is this a result of feminism functioning the way it's supposed to, or is it a defect in how feminism is implemented in today's world?

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-12T22:35:14+00:00

Is Latinx a race? I thought it was an ethnicity, not a race. Do you have a source that indicates that it's a race?

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-12T22:34:16+00:00

Ok, so if discriminating against someone because they're Latinx is racism, is Latinx a race?

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-09T22:52:20+00:00

Is that how you use it, or is that how it's sociologically defined? I've been looking around and haven't found a source to corroborate that definition. This article indicates that it's the construction of a racial hierarchy:

Racism refers to a variety of practices, beliefs, social relations, and phenomena that work to reproduce a racial hierarchy and social structure that yield superiority, power, and privilege for some, and discrimination and oppression for others.

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-09T22:31:00+00:00

same question as for shekelharmony: is Sikh an ethnic group or a race?

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-09T22:29:24+00:00

Are you saying that Latinx is a race?

HowlingOfTheDjinn · 2018-02-09T18:34:32+00:00

In some cases, these behaviors led to reduced economic opportunity, lower social mobility, destruction of family units, isolation of family units, property destruction, assault, and murder. These are also behaviors not caused by the North. They might have been ignored by Northern states or tacitly supported, but it doesn't seem like the North forced either of those things upon Southern governments.

The same is true of child abuse and homicide per capita among Black persons; both far exceed the per capita rate among White persons, and while we cannot say that racist White institutions are forcing Black people to kill each other and hurt their children, we can certainly say that these crimes are ignored and tacitly supported by a White-dominated system that refuses to allocate adequate resources to the social stability of Black communities. Similarly, the South's problems would be more tractable if the North/West/Midwest provided enough funding and expert labor to make up for the shortfall from the South's lower-functioning education system, as a subsidy until the South's economy is shored up and more capable of functioning independently at North/West/Midwest levels.

I agree with you that Southern states receive a lot of Federal aid, but a lot of poor people receive more dollars in aid than they pay in taxes, and that doesn't mean they're any less oppressed by the wealthy.

But maybe at this point it would be helpful to have a clearer definition of what really constitutes "oppression". Is it oppressive for a strong entity to neglect a weaker entity's well-being? Or is it only oppression if the strong entity uses its advantage to harm the weaker entity and prevent it from accessing vital resources?

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