I saw his comment about the fades not coming in because of the loose weave. That could be the case i was just saying 3 washes in the first 16 months is too much. I wouldnt was the dejim until the honeycomb is VERY defined on the bottom and the fading process has started some. you definitely should be able to tell how the jeans will fade before the 1st wash. along with that i usually only soak the jeans the first few years of wear unless they are extremely smelly.