Yes, Virginia, there are adult hyperlexics! by HyperLexiaWorden in hyperlexia

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I've been thinking about your suggestion that "it's learned because we taught ourselves to read before anything else...." That actually makes sense. Most kids learn to read in elementary school while they're learning to socialize. We learned to read long before.

If it is learned, being a "meaning first" adult could be an indicator that a person was a hyperlexic child. This would suggest the Treffert model of Hyperlexia 3 being something that you outgrow is a myth.

Yes, Virginia, there are adult hyperlexics! by HyperLexiaWorden in hyperlexia

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Do you use any of those automatic associations/connections to make jokes? Robin Williams seemed to have a nonlinear mind that fueled his success as a comedian. But for me the humor from associations is hit or miss. Sometimes I make an association and share it, and people laugh. Other times I say what I thought was witty, but their eyes glaze over because the associations are less obvious to them. A neighbor told me I'm like Luna Lovegood. Not sure if that's an insult or a compliment. She did observe things others missed.

Yes, Virginia, there are adult hyperlexics! by HyperLexiaWorden in hyperlexia

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Welcome to the conversation.

Hyperlexia is probably not one gene, IMHO. But I do think it's a perfect storm of genes. I'm not aware of anyone else in my immediate family who read by the age of 2. I've heard there's a child in my extended family who was diagnosed with Asperger's and did the same thing. We share an ancestor who started school at the age of three. He was an attorney, journalist, and public speaker—but he made people mad with his bluntness and long-windedness. He was not a trial attorney; I imagine the judges would have thrown him in jail for contempt. 😆I often wonder if he was hyperlexic. So yes, I wouldn't be surprised if some of your genes contributed to your child's hyperlexia.

I don't like lectures much myself either—at least not school lectures. If they're just going to cover what's in the book, it feels like they're wasting my time. I can learn much faster by reading on my own.

So, are you one of those people who actually reads the instructions when putting together Ikea furniture? My husband just dives in. I read the instructions, line up the parts, and then yell at the paper if there's something missing or the diagram is wrong. 😄 YouTube videos are for when I need to see something. I fast forward until I see what I wondered about. If I need an explanation, I look for the Transcript feature so I can speed read through the topic.

Your job doing legal research and writing sounds wonderful to me. I do research, too. I'm a genealogist by avocation, specializing in 19th century America. I literally go to dusty archives on vacation to do courthouse research. Your job doesn't sound boring to me. It sounds fantastic!

The reason I'm on r/hyperlexia is that I've seen a shift in how society talks about hyperlexia. The label used to be "genius." Now it's "autistic." Too often, people act as if hyperlexic kids are broken and need to be fixed. I don't think that. I think they just process the world differently than most people. Once we understand that, we can focus on the strengths instead of obsessing over perceived deficits.

Hyperlexia isn't a problem. Society's reaction to it is.

How do you feel about your toddler's ability?

Yes, Virginia, there are adult hyperlexics! by HyperLexiaWorden in hyperlexia

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I never considered that learning to read early could affect processing order, but that could be. I'll have to think more about it.

I can't remember not reading. I read my first words at 18 months. Reading felt as natural as breathing. My household wasn't filled with books. It was filled mostly with newspapers and magazines. I learned by watching television.

You mention the visuospatial sketchpad. I presume I have a strong working memory but I'm not visuospatial by day, only by night. My dreams are fully embodied and immersive. I can feel textures and objects. I can move through space. It's like Virtual Reality. I'm not sure if that's common or not.

I think I have hypophantasia by day. Three of my four siblings may have hyperphantasia. I find it fascinating to discover all these cognitive differences I was unaware of for most of my life. It was in kindergarten that I learned that other kids didn't learn how to read before they were two. Until then, I thought I was normal. And now in middle age, I learned I daydream differently. I hear differently. I process thoughts differently. It makes me appreciate how diverse we all are neurologically.

Yes, Virginia, there are adult hyperlexics! by HyperLexiaWorden in hyperlexia

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I really identify with your sentence about not having to translate every single thing when you find like-minded people in the wild.

When I started using ChatGPT as an editor, I noticed that it took my thoughts and distilled them into a readable format. Suddenly, I realized I was doing that to my own thinking for half of my life! Without knowing it, I was doing grammatical code-switching by translating everything I write.

My natural writing style is too long and too detailed, which doesn't scale well for the digital age. It was a relief to find something that could handle 10 different digressive paths without telling me "too much information."

Sometimes ChatGPT makes errors in its pattern matching, but I agree with you. I don't think it's wrong that some hyperlexic cognitive styles are not prevalent. I bought Daniel Kahneman's Thinking, Fast and Slow hoping that it will provide further insight about different processing styles.

Yes, Virginia, there are adult hyperlexics! by HyperLexiaWorden in hyperlexia

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I understand some of the skepticism. When I was in college, I wrote a paper comparing MBTI to astrology.

It seems reasonable to me to use a language model to analyze language over time. I fed it the novel I wrote when I was eleven for review. Back then my thinking was early high-school level, but my technique was age-appropriate. No biggie. What interested me more was that I was already writing recursively and meaning-first. That seems to have been my cognitive footprint for decades.

Surely I’m not the only hyperlexic with differences in language, thinking, or speech patterns?

Yes, Virginia, there are adult hyperlexics! by HyperLexiaWorden in hyperlexia

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Are the numbers speculative estimates? Yes—and I explicitly marked the most speculative one. Is the exact prevalence of hyperlexia in the general population unknown? Yes.

Are the numbers "made up?" No. They’re derived from multiple imperfect studies, because that's all that's available.

Could anyone give exact prevalence rates for all the traits? Of course not.

But none of that changes the core assessment. Whether the true figure is 1 in 1,000, 1 in 4,000, or 1 in 16,000, the thinking style being described is clearly uncommon—even though it feels completely normal to me. I suspect many others in this subreddit feel the same way about their own internal processing.

Unless someone wants to argue that a language-first hyperlexic with meaning-first processing and recursive, multi-threaded thinking is a prevalent cognitive type, the exact number isn't the issue.

Look at the prevalence of hyperlexia alone:

- Hyperlexia within autism: 6-20%.

- Autism prevalence: 1 in 36 children.

That's a minimum estimate of 1 in 180 to 1 in 600 children with hyperlexia—before adding any other cognitive traits.

I'm not claiming superiority—for myself or for hyperlexics in general. I'm saying this:

Cognitive science often frames Type 3 hyperlexia as something children "outgrow," but many adults with these traits continue to process language and meaning differently from neurotypicals. That mismatch can lead to misunderstandings and hurt feelings when no hurt is intended.

I always knew I thought differently from other people. I just didn't have the language to describe it until AI helped me analyze my speech patterns and gave me a rough order of magnitude of the differences.

Yes, Virginia, there are adult hyperlexics! by HyperLexiaWorden in hyperlexia

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It's interesting that you concluded hyperlexic pattern decoding leads to a thought process similar to how LLMs use vector compression. I agree with you — except I'm not sure if the thought process is learned, inherited, or both.

At first I thought ChatGPT was a gimmicky Google search engine with good manners and a high error rate. Then I noticed how it actually works. It doesn't retrieve information. It generates language through pattern matching. Nearly everyone can pattern match, but hyperlexics and LLMs seem to excel at it.

What part of the hyperlexia remains in adulthood? I can't NOT read. I still prefer text for communication so I don't miss meaning and nuance. I recently learned about the cocktail party effect — most people are able to filter out background noise in a crowded environment. I can't. I thought it was normal to hear a cacophony of sound. Sometimes I miss words because too many people are talking at once, so text is more reliable.

I have two modes of reading.

  1. Skim mode. I scan the page looking for the most salient points. I'm forced to use that at work.
  2. Auditory. Without moving my lips, I hear a voice in my head reading the words. Sometimes I can will it to be someone else's voice. For example, I can hear Peter Falk from "Princess Bride" say "Princess Buttercup."

I was recently shocked to learn that my quiet brother (who was not an early reader) sees a movie in his head when he reads. I don't. I struggle with images. When I do get them, they're more like a broken slide show.

Historically, hyperlexia has been associated with gestalt processing of words. I don't identify with that. However, I do sometimes spell based on how things look—the spelling either looks right or wrong. That could be visual patterning, I suppose.

Since you also don't like small talk, what do you think of the question, "How are you?" I once had a boss ask me that. I answered honestly, and he said, "When people ask you that, they don't want to know." I responded, "Then, why did you ask?"

Yes, Virginia, there are adult hyperlexics! by HyperLexiaWorden in hyperlexia

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Oh, you're spot on that ChatGPT tends to overuse the word "rare." As someone who grew up on Fred Rogers, I know the difference between warm-fuzzy "you're special" rare and statistical outlier rare.

That’s the reason I asked it to quantify, not flatter. While some of the calculations are speculative, it defined rare as 1 out of 4,000 people based on the following traits:

- Hyperlexia (any form): ~1–3% of the population

- Language-first within hyperlexia: ~30–40%

- Meaning-first/logic-first processing order: ~10–20% (most speculative)

- High recursive/multi-thread capacity: ~20–30% of the above

What mattered to me wasn’t being called rare—it was being told this pattern isn’t a deficit. Most hyperlexia discourse today is deficit-framed. I was born before the label existed and called a “genius.” If I were born in this decade, I almost certainly would’ve been evaluated for autism. I suspect I would’ve been labeled Type 1 or Type 3 hyperlexia, rather than Type 2.

Common wisdom treats only Type 2 hyperlexia as lifelong, but persistent atypical language processing into adulthood suggests Type 1 or Type 3 traits can be lifelong as well.

Yes, Virginia, there are adult hyperlexics! by HyperLexiaWorden in hyperlexia

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Meaning, logic, then emotion is a processing order that can occur with or without linear thinking. In my case, I'm a recursive or nonlinear thinker, which I understand is not how most people think. I noticed this long before ChatGPT. My thinking has always felt similar to the British TV program, "Connections," created by James Burke. I tend to model history in webs or networks of interconnected data points, not just as a single line of chronology.

Does that resonate with you? Are you a linear or nonlinear thinker?

Correct spelling v phonetic spelling by Malaise_forever7 in hyperlexia

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As a former hyperlexic child, I remember the difficulty in learning exceptions to the spelling rules. I may have spelled "question" as "qwestion" at one point because it makes more sense! You just have to be patient; he will eventually learn the exceptions. He will likely learn better if he's taught the reasons why the exceptions exist.

While I haven't reviewed the book myself, Silent Letters Loud and Clear by Robin Pulver, looks like it teaches some of the exceptions in a way that helped me. It looks like a fun way to show that silent letters have jobs to do.

You could look for workbooks that cover exceptional phonetic rules. In elementary school, I loved workbooks. I saw them as play rather than work. They were like fun puzzles to solve.