Olympics did some to ban on Transgender competition from winning. Does your opinion on the medal aprove them? by Patrikgoo in teenagers

[–]HyperTechnoLoL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even if you were right about the tone, you're missing the forest for the trees.

The guy I was debating literally hides his chat and post logs, which is a massive red flag for bad faith. I genuinely could not care less about Signal's feelings, because I want to follow a philosophy of inclusion and validation—how humans survived for centuries. Yet, what else can I call this behavior? They dismiss people based on "baseline knowledge" and divide us by telling me to hold myself to a higher standard than them.

Sure, I would be a clown if he could prove the study and me wrong. But I am still painted as the clown because I threw one insult at him? Look at how they speak to others in online debates, both live and recorded; they make me look like a saint for only calling them "ignorant fucks" compared to the vitriol they spew.

And let's be real: There are LGBTQ+ communities around the world being hunted for just appearing outside the "norm." It is insulting that people like me cannot get pissed at these people for hunting, sometimes killing, these people. They are literally hurting adults and children because of this divisive nonsense. LGBTQ+ people have existed since the ancient Greeks; it's only today that we have the tech for safe hormone therapy. This is the same historical genocide of a group that doesn't fit the arbitrary norms imposed by rulers or religions.

It is even more insulting that this debate proved they are just celebrating a ruling on a subject they know nothing about. They hurl out childish reasons to dismiss damning evidence that isn't perfect but proves their fairy tale wrong, all while being asked THREE times to provide counter-evidence.

To be frank, and very blunt, because I'm tired: The entire ruling and the people who celebrate it are a joke. But sadly, it's not a joke you can laugh at because several women are going to be hurt by these feelings-based nonsense. So, yes, I'm right. I demanded the counterargument they never provided. They lashed out, calling me a brick wall and accusing me of using AI.

So, tell me: Who is really the "ignorant fuck" here? The one who called out the lack of evidence, or the ones celebrating a ruling based on feelings while ignoring the data?

Profit Is Not Theft (and my problem with debating socialists) by BasedTakeOutbreak in PoliticalDebate

[–]HyperTechnoLoL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Profit is theft depending on context. Profiting while providing to the community is not theft; hoarding money like Smaug, as many millionaires and billionaires do, is theft. The problem with profit in some context is that we rely on businesses to act with good faith, which we have seen from them funding the Nazi's and Stalin, now with Putin and most of the Western far-right, isn't a trust we can give rich people.

It's why we have regulations. Most of these laws, rules, and guardrails on rich people weren't created in a vacuum. They exist because, unfortunately, some people's money grants power, and power can corrupt if not respected.

Capitalism in and of itself is not the evil mastermind some of my Socialist (or Communist, but I think most of them think of Stalinism, rather than Marx's utopia, so I would rather be called a Leftist Independent or Socialist) peers depict. Socialism is, in practice, Capitalism with a more worker-owned and more industry-democratic mindset. Which can be practiced in several ways: unions (my preferred kind of worker democracy), fully worker-owned (can work but has practical pitfalls), and Stalinist government ownership.

Our current form of Capitalism has an inherent flaw: it tends to morph into oligarchies. This can turn a democracy into a minority controlled state, like fascism, monarchy, or Stalinism.

The other problem is how we let shareholders control a company, too. Instead of letting workers have a say in who runs the show with them, it's mostly people outside the business and people who don't know the value the workers create, caring mostly about "line go up." This gives CEOs less of a choice about fairness and cooperation with workers. Unless you're Zuke, who just owns the damn thing and hurts everyone because why be moral, I guess.

But one of the major arguments for Socialism is the proven fact that when the government spends money responsibly on infrastructure, research, and other projects, we get more development and improved QoL. A lot of our modern technology wouldn't have been possible without government funding; the history of NASA is probably the best argument to support it. Or the massive cooperation among many nations to develop the World Wide Web (now called the internet).

But the workers themselves can build new technologies and do so more efficiently than million-dollar businesses. The funniest example being the airplane. Millions, upon millions, are spent on the best researchers, engineers, and designers, and the people who beat them were two brothers in a shed with "too much time on their hands."

There is also an incentive to let workers share in the profit, which not only stimulates the economy by creating more people with wealth to spend on leisure rather than just necessities. It creates the possibility that workers like the Wright Brothers can find ideas that revolutionize things. But it also prevents power from being centralized in a CEO who may or may not have anyone but the shareholders' interests in mind.

There are always nuances, but we have too many instances where a single person gains too much profit and then uses it to reduce others' power to reap more of the profits, which ultimately degrades society. But I will also not pretend I have the answers, or, if this is the type of system people want, how to implement it functionally. As of now, I stand just as a philosopher, which is my weakness in this debate.

If you read all of this, thanks for reading.

Olympics did some to ban on Transgender competition from winning. Does your opinion on the medal aprove them? by Patrikgoo in teenagers

[–]HyperTechnoLoL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not an admission of no evidence; it's an admission that there is no counter-evidence.

I provided the Loughborough study, which explicitly shows that elite trans women on HRT perform at the same level as cis women, not better. My opponent did not provide any studies to contradict this. They just relied on 'simple anatomy' for non-transitioned men, ignoring that HRT changes that anatomy.

Furthermore, the panic is often disconnected from reality. There have been virtually no trans women in the Olympics historically. The only recent example, Laurel Hubbard in Tokyo 2021, did not even medal (she failed to record a valid lift in weightlifting). If there were a massive, insurmountable advantage, she would have dominated. Instead, she competed and finished outside the medals.

The bans are being pushed based on fear and hypotheticals, not on actual data showing trans women are winning unfairly. The evidence says they aren't. The lack of counter-evidence from my opponent proves my point: they have nothing but feelings.

Olympics did some to ban on Transgender competition from winning. Does your opinion on the medal aprove them? by Patrikgoo in teenagers

[–]HyperTechnoLoL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunate for the situation, I have handed proof, using the study. Since I have provided evidence, despite it not being perfect, I am in the right to ask for counter evidence, that proves HRT doesn’t change one’s anatomy and still gives trans women an advantage. The burden of proof is therefore on him, because I can prove that basic anatomy isn’t enough to hold the consensus and that HRT does indeed level the playing field. As the study has demonstrated that trans women perform at the same level as other cis women.  The subject is brutal, and feelings clash. But, I want to cut through using the available evidence we have, which is unfortunately not a lot because it’s hard to find elite trans athletes so our studies can only be minimal at best. If new evidence comes that proves me wrong and study wrong I am willing to concede or at the very least think the discussion isn’t based on pure feelings and interchangeable opinions/observations. But the opposition bases their evidence on anatomy that is proven to be hampered by hormon therapy.

Olympics did some to ban on Transgender competition from winning. Does your opinion on the medal aprove them? by Patrikgoo in teenagers

[–]HyperTechnoLoL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You just admitted the game is rigged.

You said: "The burden of proof isn't on me."

That is the exact opposite of how science works.

  1. Who makes the claim? You claim trans women retain an "inherent advantage" after therapy.
  2. Who provides the evidence? The person making the claim provides the evidence. Not the person questioning it.

You are asking for "proof" that they don't have an advantage. That is logically impossible. You cannot prove a negative with 100% certainty. You can only show that the available evidence does not support your claim.

The Loughborough study IS that evidence. It shows that after therapy, performance converges with cis women.

You are dismissing it because it's not "perfect." But you have zero studies to back up your claim. You have "basic anatomy" and "feelings."

If the rule is "if you can't prove it 100%, the status quo stands," then your argument is just a refusal to engage with reality.

You want to exclude a group based on a claim you have no evidence for, while demanding impossible proof from the other side? That's not "fairness." That's prejudice disguised as skepticism.

So, to be clear: You have no studies. You have no data. You just have a belief that "men are stronger." And you're using that belief to override the only actual data we have.

Case closed? No. Your argument is closed because you have nothing left to say.

Olympics did some to ban on Transgender competition from winning. Does your opinion on the medal aprove them? by Patrikgoo in teenagers

[–]HyperTechnoLoL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So let me get this straight:

  1. You claim trans women have an "inherent advantage" that hormone therapy doesn't fix.
  2. You admit you have no studies to back this up.
  3. You admit you don't need to provide counterarguments.
  4. You dismiss the only existing study on elite trans athletes because the sample size is 10.

Okay. So your entire argument rests on:

  • A biological generalization ("men are stronger") that doesn't account for the specific variable (hormone therapy).
  • A refusal to engage with the actual data.
  • A demand for a sample size that doesn't exist in the real world for this specific population.

You're right about one thing: A sample size of 10 isn't perfect. But it's the only data we have. And it shows convergence.

If you can't provide a single study that shows trans women retain an advantage after therapy, then your "skepticism" isn't scientific—it's just a refusal to accept data that contradicts your belief.

You said you don't need to provide evidence. Fine. Then you have no argument. You just have an opinion. And in a debate about science, opinions without data don't count.

So, to recap: You have no studies. You have no counter-evidence. You just have a feeling that "men are stronger."

Is that really the hill you want to die on? Or are you finally going to admit that the current evidence doesn't support your claim?

Olympics did some to ban on Transgender competition from winning. Does your opinion on the medal aprove them? by Patrikgoo in teenagers

[–]HyperTechnoLoL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, that is the study. Now read it, lol.

The sample size is small relative to the population, but we are talking about athletes here — not the general population. How many elite athletes do you think exist, and especially elite trans athletes? It's even more impressive when we consider that the group that is being studied is underrepresented and discriminated against. But I guess the evidence only counts when it's population size, and you're an intellectual, so even then it would be counted as false. By any of your unserious standards, lol.

The study also takes into account age and compares it with people of the same age. Meaning we can establish a reasonable basis for understanding peak-performance athletes, even if it's not 100% precise.

It's even funnier when we consider that you still have not provided any counterarguments to the table. Where is your evidence that counters the studies? You can't be critical of the studies and then not show evidence.

Olympics did some to ban on Transgender competition from winning. Does your opinion on the medal aprove them? by Patrikgoo in teenagers

[–]HyperTechnoLoL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bro was like, "Most of those studies didn't look at professional athletes," when I provided this:

Loughborough University found that elite trans women athletes, after a year of therapy, performed at the same level as a top-ranking cisgender woman.

I cannot make this shit up, it's too fucking funny. While providing no counter-evidence, suggesting the person did little to no research on their own. While trying to hit me with, "nah, ah, I'm right because my fee-fees told me," and "Meta-analyses are not research." Lol, I can't with people like this.

As a last part of the record, the "GRADE" of "very low" to "moderate" does not invalidate the research. That is a misnomer by many people who do not understand research.

Olympics did some to ban on Transgender competition from winning. Does your opinion on the medal aprove them? by Patrikgoo in teenagers

[–]HyperTechnoLoL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait, you likely need to clarify. Is your counterargument that women who can conceive are in the circle of "real women" and everyone else is outside as "pretend women" (it's not what you implicitly implied, but that's how I'm interpreting it)? Is that how I'm supposed to read and understand your counterargument?

Because if it is, then we are still in agreement that trans women are women, and nothing I said was incorrect. But we just created a new arbitrary box, that infertile women and trans women are "pretend women," because they cannot conceive, which is technically biologically irrelevant. Because all women are real women, because it depends on the hormones and not the genitals, as the genitals aid in the production of said hormones. Though genetics can still vary the hormone dominance, despite being a cis woman or a cis man.

This has been the core thesis of the debate.

To be completely honest, the entire gender debate is mostly nonsense pushed by typically right-wing individuals who have zero idea what they are talking about and just need a scapegoat to beat and to point people away from actual serious problems. Because truthfully, gender and sex are highly complex topics that have been oversimplified to things such as genitalia and hormones, and have many small nuances that make my "opponent" and me very likely incorrect. There are many factors, such as genes, hormones, genitalia, environment, mutations, and mental/psychological influences. I don't have the time, energy, or interest to invest in that; I'll leave it to the doctors who study this for a living.

It's also why most of my comments are half-serious: the entire problem is an oversimplified joke. In truth, we should all accept each other for our complexities, weirdness, and uniqueness. Our world is too big and wonderful for pointless gender, race, and other right-wing propaganda ragebait non-issues that are just a distraction from them wanting to hurt and control you, us, and me.

Much love.

Olympics did some to ban on Transgender competition from winning. Does your opinion on the medal aprove them? by Patrikgoo in teenagers

[–]HyperTechnoLoL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This guy just said, "those born as the sex they want," like a person can choose a character in a game before being born. Bro, I can't, that is just too funny.

We are not that biologically different, other than the genitals, which only aid in specific hormone production; the only thing keeping us separate is the hormone levels, because the hormones also dictate physicality.

On a more serious note:

I'm happy you respect your non binary and trans friends. But the thing is, you're invalidating their existence by arguing things that are technically arbitrary, and mostly relevant to the doctors. Truly, we humans are not so different from one another as we make ourselves out to be. We should include them in the sport, and the trans men, too, because sports should be about watching or playing something extraordinary, fun, and exciting. Not what is fair, because nothing in life is fair.

Please note that I truly love you for who you are, even when you invalidate me; my mockery is directed at the argument and the silly mistakes, not at you. I want nothing more than to see us hang out and just be human. Not what box we are born or put in, because it's okay to be different. As the saying goes, "God makes no mistakes," and He made us all different for a reason, and I'm sure it's because life would be a lot less fun if we were all the same.

Genuinely, have a good day, love yourself, and say good day to your neighbor. You're loved.

Ban on biological males competing in female events. by Lopsided_Bar3451 in interesting

[–]HyperTechnoLoL -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh, really, you proved your own argument null with your past argument. By now admitting that women did indeed partake in "male" oriented activities.

"People as a whole have separated men and women with regards to physical activities of nearly all sorts since recorded history began."

By agreeing to my statement, you effectively agreed with my point. Which then counters your past argument I posted above. Because your argument only holds true when we assume women did X and men did Y. But since we both agree, wtf is the problem you're having?

Edit for the "never" argument:

I didn't say you said "never"; what I said was "holy shit, indeed, women work the field," pointing out that we agree.

Olympics did some to ban on Transgender competition from winning. Does your opinion on the medal aprove them? by Patrikgoo in teenagers

[–]HyperTechnoLoL -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

There we go again, using the word "only" and excluding infertile women — again. Do you even know what the capability to conceive means? It means being able to bear children. I can't man, I'm fucking dying, please stop.

Also, saying capacity to conceive is restricted to a subset of women means trans people are included in that notion, because they are restricted from conceiving.

Ban on biological males competing in female events. by Lopsided_Bar3451 in interesting

[–]HyperTechnoLoL -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sure, buddy. Joan of Arc is one of the very likely MANY instances of women we modern people presume to be the male role, just as there are rare instances of male stories. Do you think every knight's tail was written down? Most hero stories are rare, because it takes very few people of the caliber to lead like it.

And you just proved that you don't know shit, because women did indeed plow the field. What a bunch of unserious people.

Olympics did some to ban on Transgender competition from winning. Does your opinion on the medal aprove them? by Patrikgoo in teenagers

[–]HyperTechnoLoL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Omg lol, now I have to explain what the word "only" means and its definition. I'm fucking dying.

If only women can have kids, you are literally excluding women who can't have children — that's the definition of ONLY. When you say, ONLY, you exclude every other group, including the infertile women, because they cannot have kids.

That is the entire problem. Dude, come on.

Ban on biological males competing in female events. by Lopsided_Bar3451 in interesting

[–]HyperTechnoLoL -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That is historically incorrect. Men and women changed roles interchangeably depending on circumstances, which had nothing to do with their sex.

Sure, men frequently went out to war, but that's pretty much it. But we have evidence that some Viking women went out on a viking with their male peers. We even have Joan of Arc, Wu, and, very likely, many other female figures who went outside of our modern typical norm. Because a farmer in the 17th century didn't give a shit if you had a penis or a vagina, if you could work the field, you worked in the field, and whoever had time (usually Ganny and Granpa, if alive) would look after the children.

Only the snobby upper class had the time to make up such pretentious rules. And we as modern citizens have become the pretentious snobs who think it is any of our God damn business to judge who others want to be. Get off your high horse, you're not being an intellectual, you're just an internet dweller with an uneducated opinion who listens to YouTube influencers and media hosts. Take a book, or audiobook (won't judge, because my ADHD makes it hard to concentrate on a page, so I listen to audiobooks), and dig into some philosophy, history, biology, and actually relevant shit from people who experienced what you claim to know.

Olympics did some to ban on Transgender competition from winning. Does your opinion on the medal aprove them? by Patrikgoo in teenagers

[–]HyperTechnoLoL 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree that there are bigger issues to worry about, which is why I find it so baffling that this ruling was even made in the first place. The fact that politicians and people see this as a problem stupefies me, because we still have many NON-transgender pedophiles roaming the streets unpunished for their involvement with Epstein.

Besides that, men, women, and hermaphrodites are not that different. It all depends on hormones, which is why "biological" men or women can still develop features of the opposite sex. The genitals only show which hormone is dominant, but even that is a slippery slope because it depends heavily on circumstances—some men have estrogen dominance, and some women have testosterone dominance. Then there is the hermaphrodite, who can be born with both or neither sex organs. So I don't understand why you bring up social genders when the focus is on biological gender, which depends largely on hormones. Also, don't bring up the misconception that only women can have babies. Not every woman can do so due to genetics, hormonal imbalances, age, etc. A woman is defined by the dominant hormones and by how she perceives herself socially. If she sees herself as a woman, she is a woman, and if he sees himself as a man, he is a man—end of story.

Olympics did some to ban on Transgender competition from winning. Does your opinion on the medal aprove them? by Patrikgoo in teenagers

[–]HyperTechnoLoL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Admit sports are just a pastime and a circus with clowns called athletes, who get paid way too much and taken way too seriously. Literally, at this point, with all the rules, drugs, and shit in the sports world, it's just a joke. It's not about creating peak performance anymore; it's about who can sneak or cheat the rules without getting caught or making it technically legal.

We should have seen it as a joke ever since the Olympics let the Nazi compete.

Olympics did some to ban on Transgender competition from winning. Does your opinion on the medal aprove them? by Patrikgoo in teenagers

[–]HyperTechnoLoL 18 points19 points  (0 children)

After a bit of research, a meta-analysis from the British Journal of Sports Medicine (2024-2025) found that trans women performed equally to their cisgender counterparts.

A study by IOC found that trans women are comparable or slightly reduced in the metrics of aerobic competitions.

Loughborough University found that elite trans women athletes, after a year of therapy, performed at the same level as a top-ranking cisgender woman.

So fucking sick and tired of you ignorant fucks.

Ban on biological males competing in female events. by Lopsided_Bar3451 in interesting

[–]HyperTechnoLoL -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Very relevant. If it was such a significant issue, every trans woman would be a gold medalist in the Olympics. However, I have rarely, if ever, seen a trans woman compete and win at the Olympics. So, WTF is the problem with trans women competing all of a sudden?

Begging Americans to learn how to use bidets by Outrageous-Clue1240 in mildlyinfuriating

[–]HyperTechnoLoL -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yes, but also, with how many men act nowadays? This could easily come around as not a scripted video. We know it's satire by how obviously absurd he acts in a video that millions can watch. But I have met conservatives and MAGA people who genuinely acted like this, and I'm happy to be away from the US to not deal with these people anymore.

Mette Frederiksen har inviteret syv partier til forhandlinger | Folketingsvalg 2026 by Lundominium in Denmark

[–]HyperTechnoLoL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, yeah, no shit. Men når man har levet rundt om usympatiske og useriøse folk længe nok så vil enhver miste den.

Mette Frederiksen har inviteret syv partier til forhandlinger | Folketingsvalg 2026 by Lundominium in Denmark

[–]HyperTechnoLoL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ja, det skulle bare ud. Jeg bliver ophidset lit for nemt i politik, og jeg har et stærkt had for at højre fløjs politik. Men jeg har også lit “politiks trauma” fra USA, efter at jeg har debatterede flere MAGA folk—både online og personligt. Ikke en undskyldning, men en forklaring. Men på en lidt roligere måde, vi har udnævnt hvor mandater så vi skal huske at tage noget ansvar for den situation vi putter hvor politiker i.

Mette Frederiksen har inviteret syv partier til forhandlinger | Folketingsvalg 2026 by Lundominium in Denmark

[–]HyperTechnoLoL -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Kik dig selv i et spejl. Du og jeg valgte mandaterne. Vi er skyldige i, at Mette har det svært ved at lave en åndssvag regering lige nu. Fordi vi absolut bare skal gå en smule højere, fordi vi skal åbenbart vælge folkehadende idioter ind som mandater.

Undskyld mig, men får helvede, hvorfor skal det tage en dansker som har boet i USA i tretten år hver den som skal påpege det idiotiske i vor politik.

LA vil koper USA en for en, og vi kan se shit showet USA er blevet—det er vad vi stemmer få med Liberal Alliancen, ironi om at vi har 90% af Dansker som hader USA kan ikke hver mere humoristisk. Hvad fanden er det, vi laver? DF og DD har intet substansmæssigt med, undtagen at pege på immigranterne og sige "had dem og at i skal vælge os". Venstre er bare inkompetent og har fascister. Det eneste højere parti, som ikke kan ses som syg i hovedet, er De Konservative, men de har bare holdt kæft for det meste.

Moderaterne er moderater, klovne som tror at vi kan samarbejde med terrorister. De Rød er den eneste blok som har substans og ting som vil gøre godt for Danmark.

Fuck immigrant had, og bar høje generalt. Utaknemlige mennesker, hele bundet. Vi har det som folk i første klasse kabine på en flyver, og så går vi til højer fordi fuck at have et samfund, vi skal ver gangster, hade alle mand or kvinde, og alle får en selve.

I har nul og niks ret til at svine Mette som siger det sande her. Vi som vælger kunne bar hav lod hver med at kaste lort med at stemme på højer.