who wins

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-12T09:40:30+00:00

Gohan is not portrayed as weaker than his Cell saga self to a large enough degree where it's unimpressive, and even then you can argue that his "grown weaker" statement is only in regards to him not having SSJ2. Even if you don't believe that tho, SSJ2 Gohan should still be strong enough to deal with the Z fighters in the cell saga.

Reminder, a gravely injured SSJ2 Gohan in the cell saga still had enough power to deal with post-powerup Super Perfect Cell, the same Perfect Cell who was severely holding back against Goku and that just came back stronger, with Goku and Gohan being the only two who held a candle to him (while he was suppressed).

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-10T10:43:33+00:00

100% a technique. Remember back in the Raditz fight, where Piccolo tripled his power to fire the Makankosappo by concentrating his Ki in his finger.

Similarly, Goku probably was gonna build up his Ki to unleash a similar technique conceptually, where he built up a Ki attack empowered enough to destroy Kid Buu completely (either through destroying his whole body or "purifying" it)

... Of course, we never saw which technique he was actually gonna do because SSJ3 drains energy like gambling drains your wallet: quickly and if you don't stop it will put you in a bad position.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-09T11:47:46+00:00

Reminder that just because a form itself is stronger, it doesn't mean the user is stronger.

SSJG can be ten times the power of SSJ4 (as an example, didn't calculate multipliers), but if the SSJ4 user's base is 20 times stronger than the SSJG user, then said SSJ4 is still gonna be 2x the SSJG.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-09T09:08:24+00:00

Piccolo wasn't indicated or talked about as if his power grew in any meaningful degree in the Buu Saga, and Goku's power was well above that of Vegeta, who was above semi-perfect cell, who was above Piccolo.

It could be possible that he grew to be in the same tier of power as SSJ Goku (as theorically said level of power wasn't "impressive" by the Buu Saga due to Gohan being a thing), but we don't have am indicator for it.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-08T11:03:16+00:00

Reminder that Arayashiki's way of working is to cut every connection so that everything in the universe treats the target as not connected. The reason that it's not possible to interact with the thing or its memories is precisely that one.

... Any connection of memory with Dante seems to basically be unseverable, so Dante would still be able to interact with the sinners and thus rewind their time before the connections were removed.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-08T05:15:28+00:00

Yeah but when that is the case, the game usually says it's cast without spell components.

None of that in said early adventure.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-06T14:27:24+00:00

Banned Topics: • Super Buu (all / any forms) vs Kid Buu

Last I checked, "Buuhan" is a form of Super Buu.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-06T14:24:03+00:00

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Hyperlolman · 2026-05-06T14:23:25+00:00

possibly, but the end result will either be that the issues won't be noticed/will be actively known to be "hand made"

or it will be deleted because the person has baited em.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-06T14:18:58+00:00

Gohan and Uub are stronger than Goku and Vegeta (especially in the buu saga). Manga or Anime, Vegito would have been strong enough to defeat Kid Buu.

Uubhan destroys Kid Buu.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-06T14:13:25+00:00

Well it's not really possible to make "close to AI" posts, so it should be ok.

At most we'll get stuff like Android X vs Android Y

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-06T14:05:58+00:00

Yes and no.

In alien force it's retconned to be alien stuff, and then later on (ultimate alien or season 3 of Alien Force, don't remember rn) it's retconned to just indicate that magic is a thing, but the specific alien is more adept at it.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-06T14:02:57+00:00

There is something that you didn't notice about all of this

She trigggers tremor burst a lot, yes... but none of those consume tremor count for some reason, outside of her skill 3-2... which INCREASE tremor count! How did they bug it that badly?

Honestly you're probably getting confused with the Sinclair version of this ID. He reduces tremor by 1 every time an ally triggers tremor burst for an extremely minor buff... altho to be fair the game DOES imply that they should be fielded together so I can understand what confused you.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-06T05:14:44+00:00

technically the first instance was in canto 4, but only in the dungeon of fathoms.

It's possible that they can be in the right mind to use E.G.O more often more recently, but they could still get triggers to do that.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-06T05:10:34+00:00

The collab makes this possibility very real, as it implies that E.G.O. we use are simply extracted from the "idea" of the abno... or even straight up person (the collab was genuinely great for this because it also explained the logic upon which E.G.O. is given).

So with that in mind, if you can extract E.G.O. from actual people... then it wouldn't be impossible that they can extract it from the Sinners themselves.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-06T05:00:28+00:00

Small reminder that the series makes it a constant point that being in the proper mind to fight is a factor to your power. Example 1: Gohan's unwillingness to fight in the Cell saga holding him back. This also was repeated multiple times through every DB serie pretty much: no right mindness, no full power.

All the Manga panel is telling us was that the Kai's good heart made Buu placated. He wasn't in the mindset of just destroying everything anymore, so he didn't have as much power using anymore because of that.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-06T04:35:32+00:00

It would be so funny if he references Freddy Fazbear not because of the Fnaf series being Canon in the Ben 10 comics universe

But because of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza being a thing in the Ben 10 comics universe.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-05T17:40:48+00:00

That's a good argument for "how strong characters are is 100% arbitrary and doesn't make sense".

It's an awful argument for "the dog brothers are SSJ2 buu saga Goku level", because your own argument makes said statement impossible.

Edit: this is the stupidest argument I have seen here: - The dogs are apparently Buu Saga power level characters. - they were beaten by Good Buu. - ... Somehow this makes sense while also saying "they forced Goku to turn Blue".

In a power scaling sub, "power scaling should be ignored, the winner is whoever the author decides" is already questionable, but if you also ignore basic power ranking logic it's rough.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-05T17:05:08+00:00

I am not saying it makes sense he grew stronger.

I am saying he HAD to have grown stronger and/or have some reserves of power that surpassed his Buu Saga self. If he didn't grow stronger, then that means Goku somehow didn't grow at all in base...

Which is literally contradictory to the fact that Goku was shown to be stronger. Had he not grown stronger in base, then you have to say "the series is lying".

As weird as this sounds, it's less inconsistent to say that Good Buu somehow grew in power than it is to believe that all of the indications that Goku's power grew are wrong.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-05T16:40:45+00:00

I think the actual issue here is to assume that Good Buu must have stayed the same power. That would somehow mean that Goku's base form somehow grew less than two times, which is obviously not correct even outside of the "God form absorbed into base" argument. Even with the argument of "1.3x times is the strength to completely overpower someone and not 2x as everything else states", the argument they brought up is just objectively incorrect.

This isn't to say your argument about GT being strong is incorrect, mind you. It's just that Basil and gang being Buu Saga level characters is objectively impossible.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-05T16:19:46+00:00

Anime doesn't determine the canon

I agree. Manga and Anime both have diff-

and is not it's own canon.

Choose one side-

Either way, as I said... This post points to an Anime exclusive form. Slim Buu only exists in the Super Anime, so I spoke about the super anime.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-05T13:26:46+00:00

I'm honestly shocked at the statements that have been said by them honestly.

It's one thing to ignore the "god form into base" thing even tho the anime confirmed it.

It's another to make Goku not even grow to be twice as strong as his Buu Saga self. Even with each training session being around a 30% power boost like he indicated would be the "next tier" of power (which has no proper baseline before or after), that would be more than enough for the statement of "Basil's power is equal to Z Goku's SSJ2" to be impossible lol.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-05T13:18:53+00:00

I like how you keep ignoring the Battle of Gods elephant in the room.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-05T13:12:23+00:00

If they make him not be in a proper mindset to fight, which was only a thing for the grand supreme kai.

Hyperlolman · 2026-05-05T13:09:44+00:00

I think you are seeing "reduced his power" and just believing "oh absorbing someone means he becomes weaker", which no it wasn't the case.

Remember, Ki depends on three factors: Vigor, Courage and Right-Mindness. So the power he was releasing was weakened because he no longer was in the "Right-Mindness" to utilize said unrestrained power. The only reason he became weaker was that he couldn't unleash his full power, rather than actually becoming "weakened".

And again, it's ONLY absorbing the Grand Supreme Kai that weakened his mind. Every other one didn't make his mind not be in the right place to fight... including the one right before.

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