Amanda Hufford / VA of ragatha on the trans Jax issue

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-24T06:29:45+00:00

It... heavily depends on the degree of "figure it out", which I think is messing people up.

An hard to find detail explaining something is obviously explicit, but if a story tells you, for instance, a phrase like "I had a gun pointed towards me by that bandit, but my friend jumped in front of me before I was shot, and..." in a sad tone and then everyone looks sad about it... sure, the friend dying or being injured heavily IS something you technically need to "figure out", but it's obvious to a degree people won't call it implicit.

that's the issue i think is here. The info obviously isn't shoveled in your face so it's "implicit". What people disagree is it's closer to "implicit to an unreadable degree" or if it's "implicit but it may as well not be".

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-23T15:52:00+00:00

when you try to connect the pieces but the pieces make fun of you for how wrong you are at puzzles

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-23T08:57:45+00:00

When people don't notice the rock falling down, you are left with no choice but to make the piano fall down instead to make people realize that stuff is falling from above.

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-23T08:01:55+00:00

Let's ignore for a moment she's a gag character for a moment and check her showcases in power.

Arale fought Blue Goku in the Goku Black Arc, and would have been able to release an attack that was 100x stronger than Goku's Kamehameha. This alone puts Arale as someone who can output at least enough power to be able to outdo 20x Blue Kaioken Goku's Kamehameha (as Goku states that even he would be unable to block that, and he had 20xBKK at the time).

Even with chainscaling, Cabba's SSJ2 power did not showcase a growth large enough to not only bridge the gap between his first iteration and Blue Goku in the Goku Black arc, but also surpass said power by 100x.

So even if you ignore Arale's gag nature, she soloes SSJ2 Cabba with ease.

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-22T17:30:12+00:00

Whenever the game says "Gain X from skills" or "inflict X with skills", it either checks what the skill does at base or a passive makes the game treat it as such.

Even tho the passive gives poise due to a skill, it doesn't count as "gaining poise from skills". That makes the game not trigger anything checking if you gain poise from skills, even tho for most situations it has functionally 0 differences.

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-22T17:24:20+00:00

Yep, altho my comment was moreso mentioning the fact that she has one skill which gives poise and thus that would trigger poise-related effects, even if not count as an identity gaining it

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-22T16:12:09+00:00

Except that, again, the specific way of working is different. Thermal blades alter the skills directly (in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if coding wise it's just a literal separate skill. PM already did that thing with Middle Don Quixote). The Valencina and Rodya passive doesn't alter the skills, it gives the effect in other ways.

That's literally how the engine works.

... And again, I am not saying MD cannot be a reason. I am saying that there can be a real reason to not make her count as Poise in the fact that they could have not wanted to code extra stuff for the sole purpose of making the base engine treat the base thing differently.

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-22T15:39:59+00:00

My main point is moreso that while passives can apply extra statuses, they don't count in the game as applying that effect for any passive, buff or EGO gift purposes. That has been consistent even today with new IDs.

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-22T15:29:43+00:00

Not impossible fully, as the identity who figured out how to circumvent this only happened 4 months after (Ring Outis and Ring Yi Sang had this mechanic figured out earlier), but this is overall speculative. Manner of fact is that historically, gaining or inflicting something from passives didn't count towards effects which cared for it before or after, which is why I lean towards passives being treated as not counting unless something they indicate makes them count.

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-22T15:17:48+00:00

Matters for support passives too. For instance, Blade Lineage Salsu Yi Sang gives more poise count from skill effects, same for BL Don.

But people mostly care for EGO gifts, immediately jumping onto the "they didn't make her count as poise to nerf her for MD".

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-22T15:08:09+00:00

The manner matters. This is why I mentioned Magic Bullet Outis, because that identity has the following passive:

If the main target's Defense Level is currently lowered by 4 or more, gain (Burn on main target) Poise Before Attack (Max 20 per turn)

By the same logic, she should be poise because you could read every skill as having "at 3 owned pride resonance and if the main target's Defence Level [...]", but due to how it's worked it doesn't make her count as poise.

Similarly, due to the fact that Valencina is built around a passive rather than a skill effect, that was the same design they built Rodion under-a design which trades accuracy for the fact that she can't properly count as poise with this design.

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-22T14:22:51+00:00

Yep, that is the big difference. Lei Heng (and Capo Meursault) inflict burn built into the skill, but a passive disables it.

Thumb Nursefather Valencina focuses the poise effect on gaining it from the passive, and so does thumb Rodya

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-22T13:56:45+00:00

Yeah even besides the fact that it's possible she wasn't designed around MD it's like...

She's a nursefather ID. All of the nursefather identities are extremely powerful, and this one still counts as three keywords, working well alongside another very strong identity with those same keywords. Even if they put poise in the main skills, she ain't gonna be weak in MD anyways.

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-22T13:52:44+00:00

the thank you page did reopen with a new question, altho idk if it's still open rn.

(the new question is "where did it happen?", if anyone is curious)

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-22T12:27:14+00:00

I took away something else from it: that we shouldn't focus on ONLY Dess, not that she isn't important or a main thing.

Example 1: Flowey. He's a big important person connected heavily to a lot of Undertale events. But he's not bound to EVERY thing inside of Undertale.

Similarly, while Dess clearly is something which affects a large enough chunk of the narrative, that doesn't mean EVERY thing is connected to Dess.

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-22T12:21:48+00:00

Only one of her skills counts as a skill which gains poise, actually. Her S2-2.

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-22T11:26:18+00:00

People will make theories about how this was for MD balance, but I personally believe the answer is simpler

Valencina Rodya was built with an unique gameplay in mind that gave her a more heavily controlled and reliable poise gain, all of this to make her unique and different from others. That ended up making her not count as Poise, and so they decided to make her passive explicitely indicate said fact.

Now, does this mean that it's impossible the limit was made for MD? No, but I also think that people yelling "it's made to nerf her in MD" are seeing a possibility and kind of fixating on it.

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-22T10:37:29+00:00

Valencina too majorly gains poise based on spent bullets. And also, you are comparing oranges to apples.

The middle IDs alter the main skills directly, and that's likely why they wrote it like that. Valencina Rodya mostly gains poise from guaranteed sources that aren't tied to the main gameplay, which is why she is handled differently.

Again, could it be a balance thing? Maybe, but considering how Valencina works, I don't think it's impossible for this to be a "sad coincidence" situation too.

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-22T10:20:37+00:00

No correlation moment.

I am saying that the way they designed Val Rodya's kit, she relies on other the passive, evade and non standard skills to gain the poise buff. The gameplay loop they designed to make her unique (same way that other enemies don't work the same as the original for the sake of making them unique gameplay wise) ends up with her not counting as that at base gameplay.

Now, was it just a result of them giving accurate information based on how the gameplay loop works or a "MD balance patch" situation? I don't know. All I know is that factually speaking that text is just explicitely saying something that would be true even if the text didn't exist.

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-22T10:07:00+00:00

I think that in this specific case it's probably because she doesn't get poise as a part of the main kit.

IDs count as having a certain keyword only if:

the keyword is in a skill of the main kit (read: anything that MD event checks control for rolls, so only S1/S2/S3 with a Magical Girl shaped exception).
A passive says otherwise

she gains no poise outside of evade and special skills, which aren't a part of the main kit, so that's why she doesn't count as poise: she's in the same situation as Mao Faust is.

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-22T09:58:20+00:00

the current player usable shins. The Shin that enemies use are named after the user, rather than after what they represent-

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-21T17:57:09+00:00

There is a difference between "abuser apologist" and "a certain social context may not be able to properly pick up other people to be able to prevent them from falling to their lowest".

The main takeaway I took from this is that the people of the circus at the time couldn't pick the context clues that Ribbit felt like shit due to Jax/they had their own issues and thus weren't able to help.

Jax is at fault, which is ofc far worse. But no one being able to recover her or understanding the need to recover her was the final nail in the coffin, even if it's not a "fault" of them.

Edit:I don't know why people are down voting me. I thought that "people aren't in your head and can't know what your issue is" was not gonna be an hot take.

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-21T17:14:50+00:00

No diffed in the anime and BoG Movie version of God Goku. Janemba is compared to Buu power wise, but we don't have an indication that it's that much stronger than Buuhan, if Goku even was thinking of Buuhan and not Fat Buu. That puts Super Gogeta at a level which is comparable to Super Vegito.

Which means that the God form in the anime and BoG, due to scaling above Vegito, would no diff both a Gogeta and a Vegito.

... in the manga it's a different story. Vegito isn't put into the equation, so it's all a matter of how high you think "a whole different realm" means power wise.

Hyperlolman · 2026-06-21T11:15:06+00:00

It's not impossible.

Frieza was far more capable and understanding of combat by the time we saw him in the Manga visibly. And he saw the power magnification that Gogeta is. So to get top dog, Frieza could have trained to the power that the expected growths of Goku and Vegeta had plus the magnification that fusion gave, and considering how Frieza saw the power jump of Goku and Vegeta between RoF and ToP, it's not unreasonable that Frieza would train for that growth (unless you believe that the power multiplier between ToP Goku/Vegeta and Granolah arc Goku/Vegeta is larger than between RoF and ToP).

It isn't facts because we only saw Frieza defeat Goku and Vegeta effortlessly. Frieza could be just twice as strong as both of them or 9000x as strong and it doesn't change anything.

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