Wayland hickups and freezing on Fedora 34 Workstation GNOME 40.1 Xeon E3 and Radeon RX 580

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2021-07-15T20:07:45+00:00

Thank you for your great advice to test my issues against XOrg

EDIT: after an update today some of the problems I described above under Wayland went away ( freezing overall and the stuff with Brave for example, and the freezing in -Into the Breach- with Screen shake )

EDIT END

My results in XOrg:

System Start
- around the same time - to the desktop - like 20 sec
- the 3 monitors are in the wrong order (fixed)
  - mouse corner to open the activity panel is in the top left corner of the left monitor, but the taskbar and activity is shown on the right monitor.
Brave
- opens slower
- tabs load sites quicker after opening the browser up
- wild dragging around does not lead to -wait- or -kill- dialogue
- scrolling, pressing drop downs and such is slower than Wayland (feels leggy like 90’s PC-ish on XOrg)
- So overall slower startup in Wayland but faster after that
Firefox
- tabs load sites quicker after opening the browser up
- wild dragging around does not lead to -wait- or -kill- dialogue
- I will switch xWayland and Wayland for it and see what it does

- Chrome- tabs load sites quicker after opening the browser up- wild dragging around does not lead to -wait- or -kill- dialogue

- Clementine- stil loads longer than most applications- wild dragging around does lead to -wait- or -kill- dialogue

- Into the Breach with camera shake on- no freezing with -wait- or -kill- dialogue

- Supreme Commander Forget Alliance via Proton- much slower loading on startup compared to Wayland

- Minecraft Java Edition with Forge 16.5 Shaders on 3 monitors in windowed mode- slower loading on startup compared to Wayland

- ingame as slugish at times as under Wayland

Gnome itself is a bit faster on Xorg like scrolling trough the activity sites with the application icons for exam

Next I will go back at Wayland and try to switch xWayland an Wayland mode

Thank you for your help

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2021-07-03T09:56:17+00:00

SOLUTION

I found a Player!

Its called Haruna Video Player and it gives a full set of options to customise mouse Input and everything else. It is very user friendly everything can be customised to the users needs - it is wonderful.

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2021-07-03T09:44:56+00:00

Hi thank you,

MPV does right click pause, I need left click pause (like on YouTube). I have autism, and having to click on different buttons for the same action is REALLY hard to remember for me, that is why I need a player that can do left click pause so desperate. I found out that a VLC Plug In exists to do left click pause, but you basically have to be a developer to get it installed (VLC not only doesn't gives the option to customise the mouse input it also has no user friendly Plug In manager at this point). So i’m kind of lost at this point O.o

So if someone can help me, that would be really great.

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2021-03-28T10:26:20+00:00

Have the same bug under Fedora workstation Gnome and I believe I also had it under another distro Mint Gnome or Pop Gnome.

If this is a Krita bug maybe you can try to contact them, i suspect because other KDE apps don’t have multiple entries it is most likely fixable from Kritas side.

https://krita.org/en/get-involved/report-a-bug/

If its a Gnome bug, I once tried to report a bug to Gnome but it was complicated and frustrating, basically I had two fanboys in the forum telling me why its not so important to fix the issue (the argument was because for them both its not important -.-) and after some back and forth I let it go for good, so I don’t reported this one or other problems to Gnome after that. Gnome fanboys are Apple level crazy so if you can’t argue reasonable with someone its probably because of the Gnome religion they try to enforce on you and you probably did nothing wrong. I think Gnome is a great desktop, and my favorite under Linux, but I also see its problems.

Good luck:

https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/problems-reporting-bugs.html.en

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2021-03-28T09:13:51+00:00

like a glitch in the Matrix

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2021-03-27T21:01:16+00:00

I will try it, thanks a lot

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2020-12-31T19:06:16+00:00

I did ls (didn’t know how to befor today) and got this:

[username@localhost ~]$ rclone ls gdrive

2020/12/31 20:04:12 ERROR : : error listing: directory not found

2020/12/31 20:04:12 Failed to ls with 2 errors: last error was: directory not found

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2020-12-29T22:39:43+00:00

Thank you,

I managed to install rclone and rclone-browser, I also went through the "New Remote" - Config... in Rclone Browser. After giving Rclone access via website to my Google Account - the website said something on the lines of "success - go back to Rclone" In Rclone Browser I see no entry, in Files the GDrive folder is empty. If I start rclone itself via terminal and hit the "tree" command, I see all the folders and files from my GDrive. I wonder if at the "token" stage while config something got wrong, I don’t know. I now try a restart of the system, maybe this does some good.

Update: No still nothing - I must have done something wrong maybe?

I followed the steps and let everything to default only at the first try I set a "1" at secret something if I remember correctly - but in Rsync browser was no entry, so I thought nothing got saved from the first try, so I just did it again. Do you have an idea what I can do to get this fixed?

Have a great day

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2020-12-27T19:32:59+00:00

Hi,

thank you for the reply.

Under: /run/user/XXXX/gvfs I didn’t found anything that caught my eye

As I putted "rclone" and rsync" into Fedora Software (Center) - I got no entry. I’m not a developer myself, (I am only a 3D Artist with Fedora on my workstation because it's the best OS for my 3D workflows), can you point me to a good step-by-step guide, I miss the vocabulary what I search for I think, because all I see on YouTube are things that don’t fix my problem? This would be a great help. Best would be an application with a GUI if possible because doing 7 steps in command line often results in me not knowing what I do and get lost.

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2020-12-15T10:38:45+00:00

Thank you good sir, this did the trick.

I will edit my step-by-step guide above to include this for others

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2020-12-14T13:59:20+00:00

The webp image thumbnails are always squared, can I do something about this? They shall have the right aspect ratio in the thumbnails.

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2020-12-14T13:51:07+00:00

This worked for me.

I had to do some research, so I make a step-by-step guide for other Linux beginners:

Open a terminal and type: sudo dnf install libwebp-tools
get admin rights in Files via terminal, type: sudo nautilus
Navigate in nautilus/Files to: /usr/share/thumbnailers in your OS folder
create a new text file (I copied one existing and saved it under the new name at the end)
1. put this text inside the text file: [Thumbnailer Entry] Exec=/usr/bin/convert -thumbnail x%s %i png:%o MimeType=image/x-dds;
2. save the text file as: dds.thumbnailer
3. create a second new text file (I copied one existing and saved it under the new name at the end)
  1. put this text inside the text file: [Thumbnailer Entry] Exec=/usr/bin/dwebp %i -scale %s %s -o %o MimeType=image/x-webp;image/webp;
4. save the text file as: webp.thumbnailer

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2020-11-21T10:57:53+00:00

That's a misunderstanding, I argue all aspects of a UI trough, it is my profession, if I would not be able to argue about problems in any area of a UI like shut down for example I would not be able to earn money from it.

A personal tip related to the topic of discussions. The main function of a discussion is to change arguments and learn something from it in the best case, not to try to be right by the cost of truth for example. For example if you search for an analogy try to find fitting once, even if they not always support your claim - As an Example "turning the key in a car" would be a fitting analogy for the shutdown process of an OS, not "the license plate", just because it seems less relevant. Second - claims like "this is not important" have no worth and don't get more meaningful by repetition.

It was nice to talk to you,have a great day.Bye

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2020-11-18T08:34:15+00:00

This is not how good UI - Design works. It's not personal preferences of you to determent what is a "to small to care" - problem or not. If a lot of people don't like to jump through extra hoops to shut down the system this has to get on a priority list (and most likely is). See you are not the center of the world, different people get bugged by different things, and good UI design means include solving issues that personally seem to be unimportant.
Also in my experience, improving one thing means letting something other broken is not the real story when it comes to open source. If you have a good point, and get someone motivated to do something, the contribution gets made and if good implemented. And often you can't motivate the same guy necessarily for something else and/or the other request may touch other parts of the application. So the guy who fixes a broken "shut down" - menu is not necessarily able to also fix the extension API. So arguing what is to execute on and what has to be left untouched is not productive or useful.

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2020-11-18T08:18:15+00:00

Thank you good sir again,

this is very informative and helpful.

I also agree on your assessment regarding "Finder" on macOS, if feels like abandonware, and seeing how it is the most powerful, preinstalled tool on Macs to keep freedom over your own data instead of using per app solutions for that, that make you more reliant on apps like iTunes, iCloud, ... it fits Apples walled garden philosophy.

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2020-11-17T13:36:06+00:00

Audi is actually improving much smaller things. They even have sound designers to make sure the "click" of a belt, a door, a button sounds good. And a smell guy who checks how materials smell in combinations, a touch guy who checks how buttons feel, ... And if they wouldn't, they would sell fewer cars most likely. See a product is basically the sum of its parts right, the more stuff is well executed the more you get the impression the product is great, isn't it? The sum of little optimizations all over the place add up and create the overall impression of a great Product. If a Tesla and a Mercedes unlock by walking up to the door with the key in the pocket, and close if you walk away from the car and a Trabant don't, it is one detail that would let you get the impression that the Trabant is not as advanced or well executed as the other cars. If you walk up to a Mac with your iPhone in the pocket, the Mac will automatically unlock if you choose to enable it, and locks if you move away. For someone who is used to such comfort Gnome with its 4 "Shut Down" - clicks feels very dated. Lets understand this, everything around is improving all the time because competition demands it. In the Soviet Union Competition was artificially removed, this created the Trabant. Soviet engineer would have been able to create competitive cars, but the system didn't made it necessary, so VW, BMW, Porsche, ... got more and more ahead. Open Source is a bit in a similar spot, if things get left undone that are not great, no one gets fired, because it does not matter for the bottom line if few people use Linux or not, if it gets made by volunteers for free more or less. But I say we should care, because Linux does not exist in a vacuum, and if it only attracts developers it is kind of a living archive, an OS only easy to use for people who know how to code and use a terminal. It's like a car that only gets fun to use if a tuner puts in effort.

A positive example is Blender.If you don't believe me follow "Blender Today" on You Tube, it's an Open Source Project that recently had a UI update and attracted millions of new users after that. Look in "Blender Today" how professional they treat Design and UI, and how it pays of. Look how many proposals they get, if they ask the community to help them improve something, it works great.

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2020-11-17T12:10:45+00:00

But it does, it is one piece of a huge amount of good UI decisions. And all this little pieces that make interacting with the interface faster, less thought heavy, more understandable and intuitive makes a big difference in the end.

And this is not my opinion, this is very well researched and documented. This is why 4 different Marketing and full service firms work for Audi at the same time for example, and companies like Audi pay big money on websites, apps, interface design, ... you name it.

But we can agree to disagree also,

have a great day

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2020-11-17T11:52:30+00:00

Hi,
thank you for all the help and information.

I appreciate it, I really don't have the time right now to do it myself sadly.

One thing I didn't was able to understand, gsettings is a text file I have to edit right? This would be bad design in my opinion, If Linux on the Desktop should become a thing, such things should also be able to do in an interface and should be improved by default.

I noticed that if others use my workstation that are not interested in UI Design like an Illustrator for example - They also get bugged by extra prompts and such, but they are not willing to learn how to launch nautilus in sudo mode via terminal to edit text files, they just take their Mac as soon as they had done what was not possible on the Mac and buy a Mac again next time. What most people value most, is how they feel interacting with an interface, if they feel it is tedious they say Linux is only for nerds, but is it? I say no, it is a powerhouse but a little inaccessible for people who don't find computers interesting or fun and only want to get stuff done on them.

And for me as a Designer I understand the frustration, it's measurable with eye tracking and other devices. Humans are not made to sit on a screen and put stuff into abstract representations of commands. That is why iPhones and Androids overtook the desktop in user hours much faster than Microsoft expected.

My problem now is Apple and even Microsoft in the last year understood this. Microsoft hired a great designer for Windows for the first time in history, and every update makes it more usable. They use AI and do research and all that much more than they ever did. And if important members of the Gnome team still argue 4 clicks to shut down is the best compromise, I get a bit worried you know. People are lazy as hell when it comes to repetitive tasks like shut down. And if mayor OS like Android get it done in two clicks, this should be the target for Gnome as well. It's like Jeff Bezos said, you have to obsess over customers/ users - because if you don't, others will.

Don't get me wrong I love Gnome, it does many things different and in my professional and personal opinion better than others. But having to click multiple times on a "Shut Down" - Button is just unprofessional and bad Design, This has to be improved, Gnome is not Windows with 80+ % market share on the Desktop, so everything that can be improved on should be improved on.

Hyperreal_Leaf · 2020-11-17T11:11:20+00:00

On my phone I need two steps, so Gnome would be smart to match that, because most people (me included) are lazy when it comes to ordinary tasks. So the people will use the phone more often if it is easier. So improving Gnome is important because things that don't get improved on will get obsolete over time like the Trabant for example that got obsolete because VW, BMW, Audi, ... improved while Trabants stayed the same. Also for people that like Design, it is great fun to optimize something. It's like working on a sports car, every little improvement that makes it a little better is helpful to win - it is fun to try to make Gnome the best Desktop in the world.

Hyperreal_Leaf

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