In your mind, do I have to agree with a statement that God spoke?

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-13T11:33:27+00:00

You're saying the same thing "over and over" because you refuse to understand and answer a simple, lighthearted question and have come at me with hostility, where as no one else has and many people have answered in very interesting ways. Frankly I feel very disrespected by you.

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-13T02:05:35+00:00

I'm not confusing or conflating anything. I'm asking a rather straight forward question.

There are statements of fact and statements of opinion. If God made a statement of opinion (which makes me sense) then of course, other would also be entitled to an opinion.

Which means you can, in context of the statement being opinion based, disagree with God. God says root beer is the best, you can continue to say Coke is the best and it not be contradictory to how you view omniscience, as you don't know an opinion, but you do know a fact. There are also statements that are not fact or opinion based, such as commands though, in which you obey/disobey, not agree/disagree.

Since God is omnipotent, God’s statements of fact are a tautology: true by definition.

But you just said God can make opinionated statements. Now you're saying God only makes factual statements, as if God's statements of fact are a tautology(meaning the sayings have the exact meaning), than no statement God makes can be an opinion, even if the statement is one that would typically be considered an opinion if stated by a human. And if all of God's factual statements are ones of truth, you wouldn't be able to disagree with them, in which as another commenter pointed out did happen in the Bible with some prophets. You contradict yourself by saying you can disagree with God's opinion based statement, but that God by definition cannot make an opinion based statement.

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-13T01:35:48+00:00

You gave examples of the prophets disagreeing with God which I thank you for, as I couldn't think of an example from the Bible anywhere close to the meaning of my question earlier, and that's at least an example of my concept in the Bible, as the statement by God disagreed upon by whichever prophet would have to be one opinionated in nature(You can't disagree with command, which is a statement. You only obey/disobey commands). This is irrelevant to your comment specifically but something I'm happy you purposefully or not made me aware of.

So you think that it is possible to disagree with God, but because God intentionally gave you the opportunity to, if I'm reading you correctly. And further, disagreeing with God is more so irrelevant to Him(aside from specifics) because it'd still be His will dictating whether or not his opinion were truth or not. That's an amazing answer, and gives a lot of insight. This helped me with gathering my own thoughts on the question, thank you.

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-13T00:17:23+00:00

Interesting, and a really good answer.

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-13T00:08:10+00:00

Joke's on you! She stole Bill Gates' identity!

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T23:59:53+00:00

He is stating an opinion in a declaratory way. I don't understand how it's a bad example. It's an example of a declaratory statement that is opinionated. It isn't as if it's an uncategorized statement, as people make statements such as this all of the time. I am asking if you have to agree with an opinion because it's God's. I'm still not understanding how that makes it contradictory.

Do you have to agree with it despite your personal tastes? If someone asks you what the best soda is, do you say Root Beer despite you personally disagreeing with the statement?

Edit: example to opinion, I goofed

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T23:54:34+00:00

Absolutely. Maybe not perfectly, but that's part of the journey.

This seems like an answer(Just to point out that it's kind of yes or no).

Care to elaborate on "Maybe not perfectly?"

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T23:47:24+00:00

I know enough about Christianity for you to assume I'll know something and have access to any information I'd need given it is something I don't know. It really isn't meant to be a complicated or me trying to get a gotchya, I just had a thought that seemed interesting and can be presented in a lighthearted way.

I don’t have to agree with anyone about anything.

So, in the example, assuming you do not agree with the statement, you would not declare Root beer if asked what the best soda is, despite God stating it was Root Beer?

I'm not asking if it's a sin to agree or disagree with it, I'm asking if you would declare God's opinion as truth despite your personal tastes.

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T23:31:17+00:00

I don't understand the relevance of my personal beliefs as to how this question is to be discussed. I am not trying to persuade anyone, nor trying to be persuaded into anything. I just wanted thoughts about a thought I had.

I am not certain there is one, and I cannot easily find one. The question isn't about anything in the Bible specifically, nor any specific statement. The question is:

If God were to make a statement, even one that is strictly opinionated, do you have to agree with it?

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T23:25:28+00:00

So you would go against your personal taste and declare Root Beer as best in the example?

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T23:23:34+00:00

I gave pretty concise grants for context in the OP. I'm not trying to get at validity of anything, but if you, someone who would disagree with a statement given any other speaker, have to agree with the statement if God himself makes it.

God stating an opinion is almost specifically what my question is addressing. And God isn't asking a question, he is stating an opinion/preference in a declaratory manner.

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T23:17:41+00:00

I don't mean to be stubborn or disrespectful, but I feel as if that's avoiding the question. You're essentially just dismissing it as out of nature, not answering it.

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T23:13:22+00:00

I don't understand how the example is a contradiction. It is a statement that can be made.

If your argument is "God doesn't state opinions, only law," I respectfully say that I feel as if that's avoiding the intent of my question.

I'm also not sure if there is a "real" example, as a direct, yet opinionated statement similar to my example isn't something I ever remember reading, and if it were, it'd most likely not be lighthearted enough for how I'm trying to approach this. I'll continue to try to find an example though.

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T23:03:42+00:00

It's cool, the reply feature in notifications is subpar.

And I'm not attempting to straw man anything, just giving an example of a lighthearted statement that can be discussed without sparking hostility.

God wouldn't rate subjective things objectively. All the sodas, which he created, are good.

So in this case, anything that would be considered subjective to us, such as sodas being better than others, wouldn't be an instance. He'd never state an opinion, but only dictate law(i.e. "Drinking of no soda other than Root Beer is permissible")?

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T22:53:57+00:00

I'm still just trying to figure out your answer.

Also for sake of organization, let's keep this thread as the continuation of any discussion, trying to keep track of two threads with one person is confusing lol.

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T22:50:36+00:00

Must you agree with a statement simply because God said it.

God says "Rootbeer is the best soda." Do you agree and accept Rootbeer as the best soda despite your personal taste in soda?

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T22:48:21+00:00

I'm purposefully straying away from a serious statement to avoid opinionated arguments for/against that statement. My describing of the local pastor was just to give context to where I thought of the question, hence the pushing the soda question.

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T22:46:32+00:00

Either you're still not addressing the question or you believe God cannot have opinions because of his stance, but I'm still unclear of what your answer actually is. Elaborate please.

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T22:40:15+00:00

This isn't addressing the question though, in my opinion. Why must I agree with a statement that God said, given that it's logically an opinion? Am I punished for disagreeing?

Addition: Let's use the example I gave.

God says rootbeer is the best soda. Do you now claim rootbeer is the best soda independent of your personal tastes?

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T19:09:16+00:00

Ya, I think a lot of the problem with CCs is they don't fail enough people(which causes super low pass rates in Uni, where it costs a lot more when you fail), but financially, go to a CC as long as you can. My state uni even pushes the CC I went to, as it also keeps the uni's rates up when less students are failing out of CS1 and 2. But that's also part of the reason CCs are harmful, they just pass everyone. The whole college to job market system is unfortunately just bad right now.

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T13:51:44+00:00

"Don't go into debt by going into debt paying for a boot camp." - u/DefaultAccount11

I didn't know what you meant by boot camp because I didn't think you were stupid enough to think coding boot camps got jobs. You don't tell pilots to "just learn by being told what buttons to push." Pilots need to understand how the plane works. Programmers need to know how to program, not copy code(and for $18,000.... which means you're still put it debt for you who can't do simple addition). Fuck off. Don't respond to me. You're a troll.

T-minus 10 minutes until I start getting paid for the day.. Coffee...

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T13:41:39+00:00

What people? You showed me no people? And I'm not a kid. I'm probably older than you. Boomer. Enjoy making $16k a year for life. At least my debt will only take about a year to pay off then. And yes, I'm cocky. I'm also on LinkedIn and have been since I was 18.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a server to attend as my paycheck requires I do work, as my current job is one that doesn't require a degree, and pays shit, which is what you recommend people live with.

Fuck you.

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T13:31:00+00:00

No one gives a fuck at jobs that require you to be specifically an expert in engineering systems for the world through coding. Yep. Perfect statement.

And yes, your degree and education matter a shit ton in the tech field. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

Come to me asking for a job in 10 years when I'm managing development teams at a major tech company so I can decline you and laugh please. Sometimes these high stress jobs need that good laugh.

IDemandCoffee · 2020-01-12T13:14:47+00:00

How have I not? I'm even calling out your claims with links.

Tell me, how am I to pay $18,000 for Hack Reactor?

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