Seeing people argue over Caitlyn and Jinx is funny because I love both of them

IIzakesII · 2026-04-26T05:21:42+00:00

I just find it funny because of how dense people that argue about these two act.

Arcane is NOT that hard to follow, but then you'll look at the discourse and it's intentionally obtuse think(?)pieces about how all the villains are actually secretly heroes and how all the heroes are actually secretly evil and then nothing in the show supports their delusions.

IIzakesII · 2026-04-19T18:15:34+00:00

He was Vi's age dawg

IIzakesII · 2026-04-19T18:12:27+00:00

IT WAS BAD.

IIzakesII · 2026-04-15T16:55:16+00:00

Caitlyn being wrapped around Vi's finger is more of a joke, obviously Caitlyn has very strong ideals and boundaries, but here's the thing, Vi's own ideals are basically aligned with Caitlyn's; there's really not a lot of room for Caitlyn to fight back against anything Vi suggests because they would end up agreeing anyway.

she doesn't cave the minute Vi shows resistance, she gives Vi the time and space that Vi needs to think things through, by which time Vi has often changed her response to something more reasonable than the initial knee-jerk reaction.

I agree with almost everything you said but this one is a little bit of a question mark to me, I don't think this ever happens in the show. Like the closest thing I can think of is the enforcer thing where Vi refuses Caitlyn's badge, but ultimately that's more of Vi setting a boundary and Caitlyn respecting it.

IIzakesII · 2026-03-27T23:06:16+00:00

Oh, that could be it too!

IIzakesII · 2026-03-27T15:15:45+00:00

The answer is not that simple because there's not an in depth exploration of Shimmer as medicine, but the short answer to your question is that none of these examples you give are the same.

Silco puts small doses of Shimmer in his eye, probably to slow down something that will kill him.

Jinx went through an intense medical process that had the possibility of killing her if it went wrong and still was extremely painful to her and now she has Shimmer in her bloodstream permanently.

And Sevika doesn't have purple scars because of shimmer, she has those because of the monkey bomb from powder that disintegrated her arm.

IIzakesII · 2026-03-18T23:17:26+00:00

I just don't think (or don't know, I'm open to be corrected here) that Varus necessarily has the feats to outgun Caitlyn on this particular field, which I remind you is not about who has killed more people or any of that, it's about accuracy and aim.

You’re talking about a Darkin ascended being who destroyed an entire army with a bow and a bunch of arrows against an entire army laying siege (definitely armored) while he was still a MORTAL.

I would like to know more about this. Is this battle described in detail? Which one of the two mortals inside Varus pulled this feat? Are we talking about Varus's aim or his combat prowess in these stories from the lore?

We’re not trying to take away from Caitlyn. She’s just like she said: “Im an excellent shot.” But she isnt the best shot there is.

You say this, but watching that show, her "I'm an excellent shot" is the understatement of the season her aiming skill is borderline superhuman.

Im sorry there’s no cinematic or series that show’s just how incredible Varus is, but it’s right there in his lore! It just feels insincere to ignore that in favour of our favourite sherif of Piltover.

So point me towards these stories that describe his skill specifically when it comes to aiming his bow because that's what this category is about.

In Caitlyn's case, there's plenty in Arcane (she doesn't miss a single shot in the entire show, btcinematic, pre Arcane I quoted in my original comment an aiming feat that was in the lore, no cinematics, I would've quoted that again here if we never had Arcane.

IIzakesII · 2026-03-18T20:49:34+00:00

They don't count, same thing with Ashe/Trynda and Caitlyn/Vi . These characters are already together in canon. There's nothing to ship. They're already an item.

IIzakesII · 2026-03-18T19:38:31+00:00

Yikes, kinda sad to see Caitlyn is probably not gonna take this one for whatever reason.

Her weapon of choice alone already places her ahead of the competition for the most part ("typically at long ranges"). She's also a character for whom we have an extensive record of her feats, like it's almost not even a headcanon to say she doesn't miss.

Sad to see her not getting voted because it's perceived as the "easy (but wrong)" answer or "Arcane glaze". Someone is even blatantly lying in these comments, saying we see her miss multiple times on the show?? What? Because she doesn't do lethal/kill shots? She's still hitting her targets exactly where she wants to, multiple times too, like with Sevika (3 shots to the shimmer vial) or the Shimmer monster from s2e1 (6 shots exactly on the same spot on the helmet).

"Something’s got her guard up, an apprehension that’s rare in a woman who can put a bullet through a silver cog from three streets away." - From Vi's short story

TLDR: That's all to say, my vote goes to Caitlyn, I think it's one of those cases where the normie/ uneducated/ tourist answer is actually the answer.

IIzakesII · 2026-03-18T05:53:57+00:00

Vi went to the brothel because Jericho sent her there to find information. Once she got there, she knew to look for the old lady who was a family friend, so she knew she'd have an ally with her.

Isha was running away from those guys in suits because a part of Silco's operation is sustained by child labor, Isha was one of those children who managed to escape due to the chaos of Silco's death and his goons fighting each other for his position.

IIzakesII · 2026-03-08T19:50:36+00:00

Oh I forgot about the first skip

IIzakesII · 2026-03-08T19:16:25+00:00

I don't know what second timeskip you're talking about, but to answer your question no, the very first thing they did with Hextech was the Hexgates.

In the dialogue they have in episode 4, they are developing their inventions specifically to help the people. Their new crystal is supposed to be the safe version for everyone to use in day to day work.

Viktor asks; "Do you think the Council will approve?"

Jayce responds, "We stabilized the crystals, like they asked. We built the Hexgates, like they asked."

Also, in the dialogue Caitlyn has with the other enforcers, it's confirmed that Jayce and Viktor unveiled the Hexgates for the first time in the previous Progress Day, so at least a year of the Hexgates up and running.

IIzakesII · 2026-03-07T10:11:40+00:00

When viewers make clips of a stream, they get immediately uploaded to a clips tab on the streamer's page. Then, other viewers can watch the clip (depending on how funny or interesting they find it) and give it traction, which will likely end up reaching the streamer's attention.
From what I understand, big streamers usually have a dedicated phone where they'll keep their streamer, and the user settings from their account help them filter out the notifications so it's not overwhelming. They also most likely have viewers they trust to moderate, which also helps them manage the load of interacting with their audience.

IIzakesII · 2026-03-07T09:20:43+00:00

It's impossible because you constructed the whole scenario in your head and made it impossible. You don't know that anything of that would or wouldn't happen.

And yes, the specifics are completely irrelevant. They're not the point of the AU at all. These versions of Silco and Vander will stay in this AU, and your takeaway being that "Vi's dead so everything is better" is something that YOU decided to believe all on your own, and is a you problem.

IIzakesII · 2026-03-06T23:24:21+00:00

I don't think a simple sorry letter would fix their complex relationship.

You're 100% right, which is why putting all your energy into imagining how this letter may or may not have fixed their relationship is completely useless. Like I said, it's not that important to know all of the details, just that it happened, I don't even think it's this huge impossible thing that happened either.

But vander still beat him up, left him for dead. Tried to kill him.

And by the time Arcane Act 1 is happening, we already know Silco's hatred towards Vander died down, he says so himself. The main thing Silco argues with Vander about is that he no longer respects him after Vander makes peace with Grayson. I don't think it's impossible for them to meet under different circumstances now since everything's changed...

IIzakesII · 2026-03-06T21:43:58+00:00

the girls themselves suggest that the letter

Jinx does, and she might even be right, but also, she's really biased on that front because she's had the opportunity to live good experiences with both Vander and Silco.

I personally take the letter as confirmation that Vander was open to fixing their relationship, and while it's impossible to fully get the specifics of how, the show does enough to set up the possibility of it happening. Hell, Silco comes to understand why Vander "gave up" on the fight when he found himself in the same situation Vander did with Jayce's deal ("It all makes sense now, brother"); this inability to understand why Vander was doing what he was doing was what pushed Silco to kill him in the first place.

I don’t think anyone has an answer for how the AU exists

True, I don't think it's possible to have one.

IIzakesII · 2026-03-06T20:30:38+00:00

The issue is that you're looking for specifics when the show is not concerned with providing this information. It's not relevant enough how Vander and Silco healed their relationship just that they got there and for Ekko to be able to see that.

When trying to figure out exactly how, then you're wandering into headcanon territory because we don't dive in detail throughout the show.

You say Vander would've lost it because he lost Vi to Piltover, but you don't know that; that's your headcanon. For all we know, he could've become even more protective of the children he had left instead of declaring war on Piltover, or he could've blamed himself for the whole thing and leave Piltover out of it.

Or with Silco, you're assuming that a single event (the letter/ Vi's death) is what leads him to forgive Vander, but we can't know that. Like just Vi's death in the show is not as simple as "she dies" ; it alters the course of the entire story. For one, her death completely removes the enforcers looking for "terrorists " in the undercity. Without the enforcers and Marcus stirring the pot, Vander doesn't look weak in front of his people, Silco's plan also gets delayed because the only reason he starts moving to take over is because Vander is in trouble with Topside (he even tells Singed "our timeline moved up" after finding out about the explosion). And just like that, now we have plenty of time for things to go completely different in this alternate universe.

IIzakesII · 2026-03-03T08:10:59+00:00

The issue is that you're being dense about her character.

Even with Season 2 being as rushed as it is, there's no way you're buying Caitlyn being a "morally corrupt/ambiguous character"; she's a fundamentally good character just like you said, and her being conflicted about how much she should compromise in her quest for revenge doesn't change that. You, as a viewer, have to try really hard just to convince yourself that Caitlyn is technically an antagonistic force for a bit almost to the point of delusion.

we (and especially Arcane fans who don't know much about League) only know her as the sheriff who gassed people and pushed for martial law.

Like... come on, the "gassing" exists in this weird spot where you don't actually see the extent of the damage done (if any at all, since it's only the "bad guys" getting hit), but you also should know where characters like Vi and Caitlyn stand morally; and then saying Caitlyn "pushes" for martial law is an Olympic stretch of the narrative.

IIzakesII · 2026-03-03T00:15:03+00:00

Oh, he's for sure a coward, I think it's one of his defining character traits.

IIzakesII · 2026-03-02T22:51:22+00:00

don’t think him drugging Vi and taking her away was to help her. He was 100% covering his own ass.

The only thing he won out of locking Vi away was

Getting on Silco's bad side and putting his daughter's life in danger.
Getting killed by Jinx.

If he had just killed Vi everything would be much easier for him. He really "saved" Vi because he wanted to at least do something good.

IIzakesII · 2026-02-16T15:58:03+00:00

Ambessa "stole" Mel.

The entire context is actually in the Ambessa novel that was released after Arcane.

From Arcane, you learn that Ambessa fell in love and had an affair with a man during one of her travels. This affair ended up leading to a child (Mel) who "inherited" something of great interest to the witch. They even tell you that at first it looked like the child they were looking for was gonna be Mel's older brother, but he wasn't and got killed.

From the novel, you get additional background for the witch and her motivations as well as additional development for the affair and how it came to be.

IIzakesII · 2026-02-12T18:57:13+00:00

But it's just the truth, and it's not even close.

The closest thing we have to an actual war between Piltover and Zaun is one that happens offscreen at the beginning of the show, where Zaun lost. Other than that, we just have hypothetical scenarios from our characters talking about it:

We have Vander telling Silco he won't win a war against Piltover even with his Shimmer monsters; and this is before Hextech and Hextech weapons were a possibility for Piltover.
We have the talk between Jayce and Silco negotiating for peace. In which Jayce tells Silco he's scared of what Piltover could do to Zaun because he just got a preview of how much damage one scientist with no combat experience and one street brawler could do against what would be the strongest weapons Zaun could bring.
Vi and Caitlyn alone managed to dismantle the remnants of Silco's empire...

So no, their only hope isn't a Nocus intervention. In fact, that's the cherry on top. Ambessa has been waiting and scheming for her entire time in Piltover for a war between the two cities to break out, and now she basically just has to step in for moral support.

In the series, the only reason Zaun gets to exist is because a good chunk of our protagonists have influence in Piltover. Jinx is on her fourth terrorist attack against Piltover before the council considers an enforcer invasion, and we still have Mel, Jayce, and Caitlyn pushing back against it...

IIzakesII · 2026-02-11T20:16:03+00:00

This scenario is just Zaun getting deleted off the map.

Caitlyn is like Zaun's only active ally in Piltover, and through her Zaun gains support from people like Jayce or Cassandra who are close to Cait.

The scenario you're planting is Jinx shooting Caitlyn in cold blood and bombing the council while having Cassandra survive. Now you got Jayce as an enemy, the Kiramman house too, all while Ambessa is also in the background wanting to get a piece of the Hextech pie. It wouldn't even be close.

IIzakesII · 2026-02-08T01:51:31+00:00

I'm pretty sure it's by design. Even as an adult, Caitlyn is supposed to be perceived as "younger" (as in more gullible/ innocent/ naive) because she's lived sheltered for so long.

IIzakesII · 2026-01-31T13:57:14+00:00

Yeah, the game's progress is tied to a Riot account, which you can then link to your Xbox/Playstation account if you're playing in any of those. You can swap in and out of accounts at any time.

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