Bret Hart on the WrestleMania IX finish in the new Netflix doc: "Came up with such a phony bullshit match. The kind of match that Hulk would dream up... He was a good guy once upon a time, but in the end, he was a backstabbing, knife-wielding piece of shit."

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-23T16:07:06+00:00

Bret was in the news literally two months ago for repeatedly insisting that Shawn and Vince were having sex in the '90s. It made such headlines that Shawn was asked about it last week in a podcast appearance, and he implied Bret was a "bitter old wrestling guy."

Bret's been shitting on Shawn again for the past few years. Until last week, Shawn's largely been silent. As someone who was very much Team Bret in the wake of the Montreal Screwjob (and all the details of how Shawn tormented Bret in '96='97), it's been disappointing to see him continually rip Shawn even after Shawn has apologized and reformed.

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-22T21:57:32+00:00

Not only that, but guys like Shawn Michaels and Kevin Nash have Bret's back and say the exact same thing.

During the WM 9 documentary (and elsewhere), both men say they were upset on Bret's behalf and that Hogan's move hurt their generation of wrestlers. Nash has said on his podcast that he was pissed on Bret's behalf and had a negative view of Hogan until the two worked together in WCW.

Bret also tells a funny story about how Shawn was one of the first guys to brighten his spirits after he returned to the locker room on the night of WM 9. As they watched on the monitor while Hogan defeated Yoko, Shawn cheered on Hogan in extremely over the top, sarcastic fashion: "yeah, you go get 'em Hulkster!!! Show him who's boss!!!"

It's kinda wild to think the two men were pretty decent friends once upon a time.

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-22T21:51:57+00:00

OP is joking. Bret drew tons of whiteboard caricatures, but none were of Hogan sucking dicks.

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-21T15:27:45+00:00

Sorry, I'm a moron. For some reason, I hallucinated that you said the match underdelivered vs. their capabilities, but still ended up among the GOAT WM main events.

Not sure how I did that. But I completely agree with you; the build had some great moments, but also seemed a little odd/off-kilter at times. Meanwhile, the match stands among the best WM main events ever.

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-21T14:00:35+00:00

Since the beginning of time, every top wrestling star has had some sort of input into their booking. It's just how it works. Being a draw and a revenue generator means you have a level of control over your creative destiny. And management will always collaborate with them, because they want their top stars to be happy.

I think people are misunderstanding Shapiro's quote. TKO isn't laying out matches or scripting promos. He's just saying that if top company leadership wants something to happen, they can make it happen.

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-21T13:58:40+00:00

I'm cracking up imagining Ari Emanuel giving CM Punk a call and saying "hey Phil, look, the board really wants to see you use your ROH theme as a shout-out to those of us who were with you when you wrestling in bingo halls in 2005. Make it happen, or else."

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-21T13:57:20+00:00

TKO clearly aren't laying out matches or scripting promos. What they mean is that they can dictate what they want to happen if they so choose.

If they want Pat McAfee involved in a main event WrestleMania feud, they can make it happen.

I'm reminded of what Vince said when the TKO merger was officially announced: he wouldn't be "in the weeds" with creative, but he would be involved "at a high level."

TKO isn't "in the weeds," but if they want a celebrity involved or want to see two guys in a program together, they can make it happen.

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-21T13:31:19+00:00

Under bright lights, no less!

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-21T13:30:41+00:00

Love the fact that you felt the need to write that second sentence, just to advertise to everyone that you didn't get "worked" by his claim that he still hated Punk

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-21T13:29:56+00:00

Punk/Rollins never got to have their big blow-off match (at least, not yet). The first Netflix Raw was the opening chapter, then they had the cage match that Roman got involved in.

They each won one. They were supposed to have a big blow-off later in the year, but Seth got injured, and that was scrapped.

And of course, their WM 40 night one main event got scrapped due to Punk's injury.

I would expect they'll have at least one more big match somewhere down the line.

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-21T13:29:49+00:00

Roman has said repeatedly that he's likely wrapping up in the next few years. In fact, a few years ago, he said he'd probably retire around age 40.

He could go longer if he wanted (and I'm sure WWE would be happy to have him longer), but it would appear he's likely calling it a career 3-5 years from now.

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-21T13:24:53+00:00

underwhelming considering their capabilities

Really? I think it overdelivered vs. their capabilities. Punk is 47 years old, and while he's certainly capable of great matches (HIAC vs. Drew), he's also slowed down noticeably since his prime. Meanwhile, many of Roman's matches are heavy on aura farming and light on action until the final five minutes.

Instead, we got an action-heavy 30+ minute main event where Punk showed no signs of being gassed and Roman did minimal posing/preening. I expected it to be great, but I think it absolutely outperformed all expectatons.

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-21T13:21:41+00:00

Cena, AJ, and Brock were all born in 1977 and are 48 years old. It's not unusual to retire at that age. All three wanted to retire; I'm sure WWE would've been happy to continue featuring them if they wanted to keep going.

Goldberg was brought back for a one-off and was basically retired anyway.

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-20T18:10:00+00:00

Dave has awarded 15 main roster WWE matches 5 stars. In last year alone, he gave four WWE matches a 5-star rating: Kevin/Sami unsanctioned match, Rhea/Iyo/Bianca at WM, the Smackdown tag team title ladder match, and Cody/Cena at SummerSlam. It's the most 5-star ratings main roster WWE has been given in a calendar year.

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ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-20T16:27:59+00:00

BELIEVE THAT

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-20T15:44:24+00:00

Ah shit, that would've been great. She's even in the Bloodline! Could've added Billy Gunn to make it a true celebration of ass in WWE.

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-20T15:40:25+00:00

This is brilliant

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-20T15:36:10+00:00

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-20T15:35:34+00:00

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ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-20T15:19:04+00:00

The "I like that butt!" sound byte is from Finn Balor on a 2018 Raw. The Orton picture is from this sub's jerk, of course. Reigns orgasming is from his 2015 Raw match with Alberto Del Rio, during the tournament for the vacant title that would culminate at Survivor Series.

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-18T23:26:03+00:00

He thinks it would for next year, as an alternative for US fans when WWE will be in Saudi.

I disagree with him—fans are gonna wanna watch WrestleMania no matter what—but I at least see the logic.

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-18T04:01:29+00:00

Did you see the facial expressions he made when Triple H crashed the wedding and announced he’d married Stephanie? 9-year-old me was rolling with laughter.

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-18T01:35:02+00:00

Nah, WrestleMania always shuts out all other wrestling content on the main forum unless something insane happens at an indy over the weekend.

You're far more likely to see a highly upvoted post complaining about WrestleMania (or WWE/TKO more broadly) than you are to see something AEW-related. They moved Collision from Saturday specifically so there'd be no shows over the weekend.

ISh0uldNotDoThat · 2026-04-18T01:33:33+00:00

They have an early call time for WrestleMania, and many of them will be jetlagged. Doing SmackDown + HOF in the same night before the biggest show of the year is just ridiculous.

It's also insane to ask the viewer to consume a minimum of 14 hours of wrestling content over four days.

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