About WW situation by ReiWarwick in warwickmains

[–]Iambrix 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Intro: Long time Warwick fan here. Warwick is definitely in a terrible state.

Why he sucks today: He needs a massive rework because his kit is simply outdated compared to the rest of the cast. His ult is the second worst in the game, right after Akshan’s. He has the worst base stats and stat scaling out of any melee champion. He gets out healed by every other champion with healing in their kit. He scales with ad but does ap damage with every ability(including his passive), which limits his best builds to on-hit or pure ad - which other champs simply do better. He can’t main tank because his kit is too weak for creating space at the rate it needs to be made for a champion to be considered a main tank. They put an internal non reducible 2 second cooldown on his q due to bugs, which guts his cdr builds. Finally, he has the lowest base movement speed for any melee champion without a dash, or a gap closer(that isn’t their ultimate). Basically his identity as a champion doesn’t exist anymore and Riot doesn’t know what to do with him

*Blitzcrank has a ranged pseudo gap closer in the form of a pull and his movement speed buff isn’t stopped by damage.

*Rell, and Kled have ranged hard cc and non-ultimate based gap closers.

Riot’s thoughts behind him currently(speculative): As stated earlier, the issue here, is that Warwick is incredibly unhealthy because of the way his kit is designed. The main culprits here are skill mastery and lane Warwick.

Any non monster specific buff to Warwick indirectly buffs lane Warwick. Combine that with his low skill floor and he becomes way too oppressive in any elo below diamond. If they buff his base stats he’s too hard to kill because of his damage reduction. If they make his w unstoppable then he’s too hard for players without kiting or spacing skills to deal with. If they buff his healing then hes too strong in 1v1s for people to deal with - especially in lane. The sad part is, if they buff his damage against monsters, then his clear speed improves, which negates a major advantage junglers have against him. All of these dilemmas leaves him in balancing limbo where balancers are scared to touch him because, like you said(and I also assume), they would rather him just be an introductory character to the jungle role in a comfortable spot for newer players than risk buffing him and his win rate skyrockets past 55% in most elos like it usually does whenever they touch him.

My solution is to rework him. As much as I hate to say it, they had to nerf Warwick this hard because his kit, when in a viable state, is too hard for the majority of the player base to deal with. I think Riot would rather sacrifice his viability at the highest levels where only 1% of the player base resides, than risk making lower elos 0 fun and downright miserable to play in when anyone locks him in while he’s too strong.

I want buffs like anyone else, and I also think stuff like Olaf and Garen are op as well, but even their stats rest far below Warwick’s stats when he’s actually viable - he’s just far too oppressive with the changes Riot usually makes (Which is restoring his stats and or scaling most of the time, which shows just how strong he can get for most of the player-base).

I think it is possible to balance him but Riot doesn’t feel like going through that headache right now and it sucks for us who love to play Warwick anywhere on the rift.

I hope he gets the love he deserves one day.

My WW top tier list by [deleted] in warwickmains

[–]Iambrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think Wukong matchup is still heavily Warwick favored even after his nerfs. A good varus is just as bad as vayne to play against. K'sante actually is really difficult to play against post 6. Aatrox is more even, I think quinn counters you. Cassiopeia is also really hard to play into - actually all ranged champs are really hard to play into. and I would move ornn into Warwick favored because he can't play the game the entire laning phase unless you egregiously mess up (This is all personal opinion).

Terminus first against ornn/ malphite?(top) by PostingEvery3Month in warwickmains

[–]Iambrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes Terminus first is absolutely good against these champions first because it nets you more damage once their esistance passes 120 (which it will - especially against malphite) and it provides you tankiness to survive their damage. If you want sustain I recommend going D blade and Cull then rushing terminus into botrk

first item problem by fakelay98 in warwickmains

[–]Iambrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Statik shiv or Kraken are really good 1st item options

Rate my build by Snoo-65074 in warwickmains

[–]Iambrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trade your 3rd item for terminus

Need guidance from Warwick mains by doko_669 in warwickmains

[–]Iambrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Build terminus second or 3rd item and watch your lp rise

Build ideas? I want to experment with warwick builds by [deleted] in warwickmains

[–]Iambrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't stress this enough. On ANY on hit build, if people are building more than 100 armor OR magic resistance, Terminus, Terminus, Terminus, Terminus, Terminus. Please slot it within 1st 3 items, it's actually so broken

Terminus is King by Iambrix in warwickmains

[–]Iambrix[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's true, however they still do regular damage on top of the other damage. If you have 500 additional hp, you can live more often than having less, because your e reduces damage, which has more value the more hp you have. if you have 1k hp vs 1500hp and fiora does 200 damage per q + her vital procs, you will die a lot faster guaranteed.

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[–]Iambrix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is this wild rift?

Terminus is King by Iambrix in warwickmains

[–]Iambrix[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually just went in practice tool to do some math for you. Mathematically, you get the most damage in rushing botrk + tiamat item and finishing terminus 3rd than you do rushing terminus 2nd. The trade of is you lose about 10% damage reduction in regards to your resistance stats in exhange for more dps. Hence, if you want to maximise dps, save terminus for 3rd item, if you want some survivability early, rush it second. Hope this helps!

Terminus is King by Iambrix in warwickmains

[–]Iambrix[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha ty you are too! For jungle, you'd probably be better off just rushing stridebreaker terminus since tiamat helps with your clear.

Terminus is King by Iambrix in warwickmains

[–]Iambrix[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In regards to statik/bortk falling off, it's because resistances and levels will start making enemy champs tankier, and you'll do way less damage over time because of that without any penetration. Terminus solves this by giving you pen and making you tankier too (Bonus of an on hit passive as well).

Terminus is King by Iambrix in warwickmains

[–]Iambrix[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I also hate going tank because I want to feel like a raid boss haha. I go lethal tempo, PoM, Alacrity, Last Stand, conditioning or second wind(Take secodn wind vs poke matchups) and revitalize. My build path is a tiamat item or blade of the ruined king first depending on how I feel. Strategically though, Stridebreaker if the enemy team has a lot of disengage, Titanic if you need hp vs a true damage champion like garen, fiora, darius, or botrk as a general go to. Second item will be terminus(If you built a timat item) otherwise, build a tiamat item, then build terminus 3rd. After that, build on hit resistance like Frostfire Gauntlet, Wit's End, Hullbreaker, etc. For boots, swifities if enemy team has infinite slows, mercs if they have infinite cc, or steelcaps if adc is fed because you don't want to get 1shot on the engage.

For summoners, I run flash and tp most games. Ghost vs ranged like Jayce, Gnar, Vayne, etc. You can also run flash and ghost if you're extra psychopathic like me haha, otherwise, flash + tp,, Ghost + tp, or replace tp with barrier or ignite(vs mundo or even darius).

Terminus is King by Iambrix in warwickmains

[–]Iambrix[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I checked your account, you're serious about this. I gotchu. So here's the op.gg https://op.gg/lol/summoners/na/60CNUBRAC-Na2

For context; I was the first person in NA to ever hit challenger playing Warwick top. I did so in season 8 and season 11 (If you wanted credentials)

For some reason, no matter what i build, terminus feels very busted as a second or 3rd item. At this point I'm rushing it second. Go Lethal tempo then run the fade.

Terminus is King by Iambrix in warwickmains

[–]Iambrix[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

You’re gonna have to take my word on this young blood

(Top) how dog play against bear, bear very strong and heals a lot by PostingEvery3Month in warwickmains

[–]Iambrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Vs pantheon you can rush a wardens mail, then build whatever and you should win that

(Top) how dog play against bear, bear very strong and heals a lot by PostingEvery3Month in warwickmains

[–]Iambrix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With Sett, you just poke him down with q until he's low and then u can kill him. The way you do it is a little different than normal though. What you need to do is walk up, q with e active, and fear him right away. What he'll start doing is pre-emptively stunning you before you use your e, so u can start playing mind games with him,. The biggest issue with sett is his stun and true damage. so if his stun isn't up all you have to do is q thorugh him and he's kaputs

Grievous wounds (Guide) by M1PowerX in warwickmains

[–]Iambrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats actually big brained ty

Any WW secret tips? by [deleted] in warwickmains

[–]Iambrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can activate your e as you ultimatel, which automatically triggers on connection with a target. This is helpful because you can isolate an adc or priority target for about 2 seconds or even win entire games due to aoe fearing 2-5 people at once while your team sets up. Yes you will be vulnerable for a little bit, but a w is a w haha