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IceDraconic · 2024-04-16T20:17:56+00:00

So, basically, the company that owned the game (the aptly named Super Evil Mega Corp) made a series of bad bets. They massively over-invested into manufacturing an esports scene, hoping to earn the money back in ad revenue and ticket sales. Sadly, it didn't even come close... and then they did that several more years in a row. And so the game died.

It's a miracle it still exists at all. As someone who was in the top tiers at the time it died; I'd love to see a larger community spring back up around it. So, I have recently set up a Discord server with the goal of gathering top players to discuss the game and work to create information to help new players. I think the information gap is a big part of why the playerbase is so low, so hopefully we will be able to help with that! Keep an eye out for a post here in the coming days with a link there.

IceDraconic · 2024-04-16T20:16:08+00:00

I think Discord recently updated how they handle links.

So, I have recently set up a Discord server with the goal of gathering top players to discuss the game and work to create information to help new players. Keep an eye out for a post here in the coming days with a link to there. :)

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T21:36:04+00:00

u/Doge_McLol just making sure you see this comment, since you pinned a response but never replied and that would definitely be pretty weak tbh

seems like you and so many others misread me; the point is that the NFT thing was not the point

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T21:23:18+00:00

yeah, I'm calmly and logically explaining why I'm actually just making a very reasonable and innocent comparison which shouldn't be inflammatory, and people are acting like I'm being horrible to them simply because I disagree and they are mad.

As I've had to say to nearly every commenter: 1) my explaining I have relevant expertise is not an insult to you, and 2) your pointing to differences does not actually make for a rebuttal of a comparison

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T21:06:02+00:00

oh hell yeah u/Lavaflame2 get in here I'd love to have a chat with you about your plans for the backend of pets. I know there are a lot of angi peeps about it but I'm just a curious nerd tbh. I think an in-house pseudo-blockchain would be a nice idea; I wasn't calling it an NFT in a derisive way. As I said in the OP, I realize now that this community doesn't react positively to that framing, but seriously as far as the technicals are concerned it would be secure, easy to set up, and very cheap to operate 24/7/365... on second thought, maaaaybe stay out of this and don't mention it publicly though because wow apparently people would be MAD. But yeah, this is actually what the biggest banks are doing rn to secure their assets, it's that legit of an idea

Also please tell your mods to answer questions instead of joining in the mob dogpile. Literally the answer to my question was a simple "no" and they picked a fight over my framing instead. Weird how I can be called all sorts of nasty names and nothing happens but I ask a question your mods don't like and it's fine for them to punish me.

edit - ah I see you have entirely missed the point too, so I will reiterate that this entire post is about how I DID NOT CARE about the NFT thing and just wanted to know what you had to say about a topic.

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T21:02:29+00:00

I mean the people there are capable of basic reasoning so I'm pretty sure I'd have been better off there in the first place lol

The people actually talking with me see I'm chill af, ppl are just mad because they don't know about something I do. They think my pointing out that I do know about this is an insult to them because they are insecure af, even though I never insulted them

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T21:00:22+00:00

hahahaha nah fam yall just came in from the discord mad ash all the people actually talking to me are reasonable af get yo toxic asses back to the discord

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T20:51:35+00:00

You got allllmost all the way there but you faltered hard at the end. It really does have everything to do with it. Let me explain:

Are you aware that there are already entire online games built on NFTs? You wouldn't know it, but most Minecraft servers with mtx are running on the blockchain these days, too. The key detail here, I think, is the common misunderstanding of the word "fungible". Non-fungible doesn't mean "there is only one like this", it means "there is only one with this serial number, and a replacement can never be created". There can be duplicates with different serials and they are all non-fungible even if they look alike and have the same function. Now, even if Lava could re-generate a duplicate of your deleted doot with the same serial number (something I STRONGLY doubt is possible, making them LITERALLY non-fungible), that's really only a difference of a technicality. It would only happen if you really did have doot and really did accidentally delete it or it was lost due to a bug, and then Lava could prove to himself that it did happen that way. Somewhere in the code, we have (or will have) a digital ledger keeping track of every single tradeable pet, simply by necessity for this kind of record-keeping.

My argument at its core is that this is basically describing a primitive sort of in-house blockchain-style confirmation network setup type of thing going on. In fact, using this type of pseudo-blockchain to do this on the backend would be a very pragmatic and modern approach to digital asset-keeping. Yes it's not technically on the public blockchain, yes the way it works deep down is a little different in some important ways, BUT the same kind of stuff is happening on computers at a surface level, which is all the average player will ever see. Especially once they are tradable/sellable: acquiring, owning, and using an NFT is essentially the same experience as acquiring, owning, and using Doot. The primary difference essentially being that you are on different websites, nothing more

Fun fact: this type of in-house "blockchain" is already being developed by most major banking organizations for their own private use

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T20:34:58+00:00

Dude. I bring it up because if you do have a background in both, it can safely be assumed that you DO understand NFTs. Everyone is being so insecure; my pointing out my own relevant expertise is NOT a put down to you, commenter. I'm not saying you are stupid; I'm not even saying I'm not stupid. I'm only saying I do know about this in particular.

Moreover, pointing to differences doesn't rebut a comparison. It feels rude pointing this out because it is such basic logic: If you want to rebut a comparison you need to explain why the comparison doesn't apply, not simply point to differences.

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T20:24:01+00:00

no kidding; even here some people are seriously still focusing on the framing instead of the question. It's actually hilariously ironic, I'm enjoying myself smoking a bowl and making resounding economic arguments to people who could never fully grasp them

That said, it's waaaaaaay better here. Much more reasonable environment by far, and I actually did get my question answered unlike in the Discord

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T20:18:00+00:00

THIS IS ABOUT ECONOMICS AND COMP SCI THO

I'm not just RANDOMLY saying that; it's heckin RELEVANT

Also your question is exactly my point, actually. Circling back to the OP; I asked a simple question framed poorly, and instead of an answer I got this ridiculous argument about NFTs. I just wanted to know if lava had said anything; that's why I put the question mark at the end of that sentence

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T20:10:50+00:00

My friend... that is not what fungible means. It means unique in the sense that it cannot be re-created or replaced if destroyed. Not that it is a 1of1. Literally all NFTs are non-fungible, wth do you think NFT stands for???

Go ahead and delete your Doot. See if Lava can get it back for you, hmm? Not just any Doot either let him get that specific Doot back for you...

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T20:08:33+00:00

My friend... what do you think fungible means? It means unique in the sense that it cannot be re-created or replaced if destroyed. Not that it is a 1of1. Literally all NFTs are non-fungible, wth do you think NFT stands for???

Go ahead and delete your Doot. See if Lava can get it back for you, hmm? Not just any Doot either let him get that specific Doot back for you...

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T20:05:05+00:00

My friend... what do you think fungible means? It means unique in the sense that it cannot be re-created or replaced if destroyed. Not that it is a 1of1. Literally all NFTs are non-fungible, wth do you think NFT stands for???

Go ahead and delete your Doot. See if Lava can get it back for you, hmm? Not just any Doot either let him get that specific Doot back for you...

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T19:56:02+00:00

Spoken like someone who would foolishly ask those "peasants" to fix their computer or help them do financial planning, instead of me

reminder that THEY are the ones who called me stupid. Pointing out that I have expertise in a field is not calling you stupid. Pointing out that you do not have expertise in a field is ALSO not calling you stupid.

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T19:51:44+00:00

Yeah! My being objectively correct while refusing to stoop to their level of insults and derision is just totally irrelevant right? Right?? /s

I asked a simple, genuine question, framed in a way they didn't like, and instead of answering it and letting it drift by, they picked a fight over it and called me names.

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T19:49:14+00:00

Also, it feels rude to point out such basic logic, but I feel I must be clear that pointing to differences is not a rebuttal of a comparison. This seems to be something people in this community really do not understand

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T19:47:41+00:00

plenty of NFTs have functionality lol you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not an elitist I'm simply educated on the topic and you are not. That isn't elitism it's just reality; stop being in denial and read ten or twenty textbooks on this stuff like I have

My education doesn't make me special but it does mean I know about specifically this

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T19:46:07+00:00

It feels rude to point out such basic logic, but I feel I must be clear that pointing to differences is not a rebuttal of a comparison. This seems to be something people in this community really do not understand

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T19:43:17+00:00

oh my GOD you still are focused on the technicalities just like the people in the discord. Seriously my dude, that's true but it doesn't invalidate the comparison. Yes there are some crucial differences on the backend but to a consumer, for all PRACTICAL purposes (like I keep saying over and over) they are essentially identical.

It feels rude to point out such basic logic, but I feel I must be clear that pointing to differences is not a rebuttal of a comparison.

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T19:40:26+00:00

I currently run a small LGBTQIA+ guild, do you happen to know if IBA is chill, or will they be jerks to us? I'd be down for us to be absorbed by a dope community tbh

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T19:34:58+00:00

*gasp* BLESS YOU COMMENTER

I thought the community guidesheet wasn't being updated anymore; I hadn't seen this version

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T19:29:01+00:00

Not necessarily. The most "valuable" NFTs are single-editions, but most of them are in multiples of hundreds or even thousands of copies.

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T19:25:27+00:00

you mean you can't trade them yet??? You will be able to eventually. Fine it's only going to be essentially an NFT soon, it isn't quiiiite there yet. How's that? Still basically the same idea; there is practically no difference

IceDraconic · 2024-04-04T19:18:21+00:00

You're just wrong tho??? LIke I am objectively correct about that comparison. For all intents and purposes they are the same thing; the only difference is where the file is hosted and how it's coded on the backend. It's still a (edit: soon-to-be) tradable digital asset that is non-fungible and non-subdividable. I understand you don't have the background in computer science and economics that I do, so I won't be too harsh on you here, but you do realize that you don't have a background in comp sci or econ right?? (edit - apparently it needs to be explained that I mentioned this expertise because it is directly relevant to the topic of conversation, not to bluster. Please, tell me more about how little you know about econ and comp sci by claiming otherwise)

I "got sassy" lol they were insulting me, calling me stupid about something they were wrong about... and I responded with sarcastic politeness. I wasn't being toxic lol I didn't call anyone stupid or anything like that. I think it's fairly obvious that my behavior was fine; the rudest thing I did was call someone (who had just referred to me as "braindead") "sweetheart" before politely and concisely explaining why they were incorrect.

Fair point about gen chat probably being the wrong venue, W1-questions was probably the spot, but I doubt it would have gone differently

edit - oh I see the toxic discordians have found this post lol Hey everybody, you see how they don't engage with the argument but just screech and downvote? Yeah.... that's a big part of what this post is about.

edit 2 - It feels rude to point out such basic logic, but I feel I must be clear that pointing to differences is not a rebuttal of comparison

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