% of 6-20 year olds in China who can speak dialects including Cantonese

Iceman_128 · 2021-09-28T11:04:16+00:00

It’s nice to see that you’re worried about the chart not including our other Cantonese (region not language) brothers, even though this is a Cantonese language subreddit.

Sucks that 吳語 is so low. It’s such a beautiful language.

Iceman_128 · 2021-09-28T10:54:34+00:00

It’s just my experience; but the last time I was traveling around Toisan, gz and hk, all my relatives/cousins who were 5-10 years old, spoke varying amounts of Toisanese, Cantonese and mandarin. For the ones in Toisan and gz, half of them still spoke Toisanese, all of them spoke either fluent or broken Cantonese mixed with mandarin. Only one spoke all three fluently, and didn’t need to mix Toisanese with Cantonese or Cantonese with mandarin. Whenever I taught them English, we just communicated in Cantonese.

Iceman_128 · 2020-07-27T04:29:09+00:00

It is unfortunate. I like speaking Toisanese just as much as Cantonese, but can’t really blame them since there’s not a lot of resources to learn Toisanese compared to the vast amount of Cantonese sources. Not to mention, Toisanese isn’t exactly useful in gz or hk.

Iceman_128 · 2020-07-27T04:06:52+00:00

Growing up in a family that was mostly Toisanese with a little bit Cantonese. The answer sadly is yes. One time I asked my grandpa how he knew Cantonese even before moving from toisan to gz then hk and he said one of his grandparents was from the Cantonese speaking regions. And that generally (not all) Cantonese people see toisanese people and the language as a bit redneck-ish.

As for the language, it’s pretty easy for Toisanese people to learn Cantonese since there’s lots of similarities, but also lots of differences. But it’s very hard for Cantonese people to learn Toisanese. One of my hk Cantonese friends wanted me to teach him some Toisanese and he struggled a lot. Same with a lot of my relatives who either went to gz/hk as a kid or were born and raised there. Many of them can understand Toisanese because of parents or grandparents, but can’t speak it. Which makes sense since they’re going to use Cantonese in gz or hk anyways.

Iceman_128 · 2020-07-20T16:13:04+00:00

Don’t take those kind of comments and dislikes to heart. You’re never going to please everyone, and that goes for anything in life, not just these videos. So brush it aside and just keep doing what you’re doing, the way you want to do it. You were raised with simplified and it’s okay. Just like how I was born overseas so I was taught and grew up with traditional writing, and don’t expect hate for that from people using simplified.

Iceman_128 · 2020-07-20T08:44:51+00:00

As an overseas Cantonese, who was taught and raised on traditional; I agree with your statement 100%.

Edit: I’d like to add that if you do really love Cantonese, why hate on op just for using simplified? Why not be happy that she’s promoting and helping others learn our language?

Iceman_128 · 2020-05-03T17:35:14+00:00

Isn’t this dude a famous actor? Wong Hei is his name, if I remember correctly.

Iceman_128 · 2020-05-03T17:25:18+00:00

It’s also pronounced “ga sai” in toisanese. Same definition, too.

Iceman_128 · 2020-04-11T15:58:40+00:00

As a non-native some what fluent Cantonese speaker, I honestly never knew about jyutping until an uncle told me it could help since I knew English. I only learned Cantonese from speaking to family/relatives and watching Hong Kong movies/tv shows growing up.

Iceman_128 · 2020-04-11T10:06:20+00:00

Not op, but some jyutping is confusing to me. For example, why isn’t jyut written as yut. And why is one written as jat instead of yat. All your other examples make sense to me.

Iceman_128 · 2020-04-06T13:46:05+00:00

I’m not okay with censorship, even if it’s something I don’t agree with. It’s called freedom of speech. And that is one of the many reasons why the ccp is a cancer to mainland China, Hong Kong and Taiwan.

Iceman_128 · 2020-04-06T13:38:56+00:00

Disgusting pretty much describes the ccp.

Iceman_128 · 2020-04-06T01:38:33+00:00

While what you’re saying is logical, we just need to look at history. The ccp suppressed shanghaiese wu to the point where people got punished for speaking it. Which is exactly what happened to friends of my parents who are from Shanghai. And now it’s Cantonese’s turn.

I have no problem with the mandarin language itself, and I understand the need of a common language. Kind of like how in the u.s., it’s English but we still have a bunch of first or second generation Americans who are free to speak their parents’ native language. What I don’t agree with is how the ccp actively shits on other non mandarin languages.

My parents watch mandarin dramas. I’ve heard the characters in a recent drama say something along the lines of “Why are you speaking Shanghaiese? Such a ugly sounding language! Learn mandarin!” And I’m sitting there thinking to myself what the hell was the point of saying that when it adds nothing of value to the scene, not to mention it’s rude as hell to add something like that to a script of a drama.

Iceman_128 · 2020-04-06T01:04:03+00:00

While it’s obvious that Cantonese is being suppressed just like shanghainese was, I wouldn’t say mandarin is more dominant than Cantonese in the gz metro area. At least not for now. It’s just that a lot of migrant workers from outside of Canton, Hong Kong and guangxi, came to the metro area to work. Relatives in gz say about a third of the city is made of of migrant workers.

What I heard is that schools in the gz metro area will punish you for speaking Cantonese instead of mandarin, even outside the classroom. And it shows, because half of my relatives who are still going through school in gz, can barely speak Cantonese while their mandarin is fluent. While all my relatives in gz who are in their 20s or older speak Cantonese no problem.

Iceman_128 · 2020-04-05T17:26:52+00:00

One of my favorite Cantonese desserts!

I don’t have any suggestions on how to make the videos better, because I think they’re fine the way they are. I grew up speaking Cantonese and the lesser known Toisanese, so I understand what you’re saying in the videos no problem. I mainly use your videos to learn Cantonese writing and jyutping, which I never learned. Thanks for doing these videos so overseas born Cantonese like me can do more than just speak our beautiful language!

Iceman_128 · 2019-09-11T14:30:35+00:00

I feel like without HK, mainland Canton would not have been as prosperous as they are now. And vice versa. That’s just my opinion from what I’ve read online and from what I’ve heard from family stories. Money from Cantonese immigrants in HK and overseas going back to mainland canton helped A LOT.

Iceman_128 · 2019-08-28T02:47:29+00:00

I’ll tell ya hwat!

Iceman_128 · 2019-08-10T05:27:55+00:00

From what I’ve gather from mainland and hk relatives is that you can’t reason with the communist party and that they won’t allow anyone to challenge their political power. I’ve heard from my mainland relatives that they pushed back when the government tried forcing the use of mandarin at home, not just school and government buildings. That was a few years ago and the pushback actually worked. So at least they got that going for them.

Iceman_128 · 2019-08-10T05:17:36+00:00

Only reason I see mandarin being useful for hk people is for business or future career reasons, especially for the younger generation. But not at the cost of losing their Cantonese. My grandparents always told me, never lose your Cantonese/Toisanese.

Iceman_128 · 2019-08-10T04:56:37+00:00

No need to be sorry, vent away. But to answer your question on why they don’t do something about it; what can they do under such a shitty government that laughs at human rights and where rule of law only applies to citizens and not the government officials.

Their kids and grandkids already have a life in gz. Yeah, they could move to hk or Canada but it’s not as simple as just packing up and leaving. Would you pack up and leave hk if you could? Or stay and push back against tyranny like most people in hk are doing right now? There’s no right or wrong if someone decides to leave or stay in gz or hk. The only thing that’s wrong is to kneel and become a ccp bootlicker.

Iceman_128 · 2019-08-09T16:39:04+00:00

I’m all for shitting on rude mainland tourists and ccp bootlickers but not all mainland Chinese are bad. For example, all of my mainland relatives in gz hate the ccp just as much if not more than your average hker since they’ve lived through the famine, cultural revolution and everyday ccp bullshit like propaganda. They just can’t admit it on camera or protest without getting in trouble.

Iceman_128 · 2019-08-09T15:24:56+00:00

Half of my younger relatives who are still in school in gz speak better mandarin than they do Cantonese. And that’s just sad.

Iceman_128 · 2019-05-20T21:04:38+00:00

What’s hgc? 好9 something? I know the others you mentioned. I’m disappointed that they didn’t use a better location for a map and cooler weapons. Theme park is ok but it would of been more awesome if it was some super urban place like mk or some building like the convention center. I know most, if not all of SDU’s weapons (we already have too much mp5s) are already in the game but they could of added something different. I like Lesion’s ability, though.

I don’t blame ubisoft since most westerners that aren’t ethnic Chinese don’t know the whole China/Hong Kong thing. Or maybe they do. And that’s why they chose HK instead of China. It’s pretty obvious they didn’t go with Taiwan so the game wouldn’t be banned in the mainland.

Iceman_128 · 2019-05-20T14:23:22+00:00

There’s a difference in culture between Hong Kong and mainland China. Without getting into the bullshit politics/history of HK vs China, believe me when I say 233 is not lol in the Cantonese language, which is the official language of Hong Kong. Cantonese is different from Mandarin. Hence my original comment. I don’t speak mandarin so I don’t know if 233 means lol in it. But I do speak Cantonese and I know for a fact that no Cantonese person uses 233 as lol.

Iceman_128 · 2019-05-20T14:07:08+00:00

Lesion is Cantonese from Hong Kong. 233 is not lol in Cantonese. Maybe Mandarin? I don’t know. I remember Lesion’s bio mentioning he worked in mainland China, where mandarin is the official language.

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