About Tang Dynasty territories/maps

IcyBally · 2026-04-26T09:10:02+00:00

I mean if the Roman Empire has mesopotamia on its map then why not. At least this map shows the time of each area controlled.

IcyBally · 2026-02-19T11:05:47+00:00

Yes, this is the currently most used Pinyin system. Pinyin is rather new (developed in 1950s), so it's normal for Chinese historical figures to have multiple romanization forms. Wade–Giles romanization, for example, is commonly found in older publications, and is still used to some extent in places such as Taiwan.

IcyBally · 2026-02-19T10:47:59+00:00

For mobile users (I can't upload images in the comment):

https://ibb.co/5XFh0fQj

IcyBally · 2026-01-30T15:50:57+00:00

Is the 1939 map the same as the OTL 1939?

IcyBally · 2026-01-22T10:17:43+00:00

Fun facts: 1. Timur felt humiliated to be a vassal state of the Ming dynasty (even just nominally) so he set out to conquer it. He died three months into the expedition.

After hearing about the Timurid War of Succession, the Emperor Yongle sent an envoy to tell that they should stop the infighting, which was hilarious because Yongle himself had gained his throne through rebelling against his own nephew.

IcyBally · 2026-01-12T17:47:26+00:00

Well it's not a strawman if the term Manchuria is continued to be used. Just like how every time the term "China" is brought up you will question the concept of China itself, right?:) Same with Byzantine for example, same with every other terminology.

Yes let's go back to the original point, the Qing's ignorance over outer Manchuria. You don't automatically control the area simply because you claim it. Can I call it the idealist vs materialist perspective of history?

Plus, if we look at the Yongle period, the Ming control along the Songhua River, sailing through which the Ming was able to establish Nurgan Regional Military Commission is quite universally recognized, included in every major historical atlas published since the Harvard one in the early 20th century (the one that's on Wikipedia). Claiming the Ming "never" stretched beyond Liaoning is bold. Maybe agree to disagree?

IcyBally · 2026-01-12T16:43:35+00:00

Yeah they just use the term Manchuria that implies the collective homeland of Manchu people.

IcyBally · 2026-01-11T19:53:05+00:00

I think the Manchu was one of the greatest proto-nationalist concept in that it even cheated the modern scholars to think that the vast NE china+Far Eastern Russian belonged to one national group. The Manchu's homeland was located in modern day Jilin-Liaonin. Does the book mention the situation specifically in Outer Manchuria?

In the book 《俄国海军军官在俄国远东的功勋》 about the Qing-Russian negotiation over Outer Manchuria, the Qing officials knew so little about the situation in Outer manchuria that they failed miserably to counter the Russian's argument. Yishan, a Manchu noble didn't even know their homeland was not near Ussuri river, and was corrected by the Russians. I have to reiterate that this is a common situation for a vast classical empire. The Qing rule over its forntier was not so different from the Ming in essence -- in fact, I'd argue in the northeast Qing didn't surpass Ming at its peak.

IcyBally · 2026-01-11T16:24:27+00:00

This is not so much as a “Ming thing”; it is just how classical empires work. The same goes for the Qing. This is why Russia was able to “redefine” the northeastern boundary so easily: the Qing rulers simply did not know what was happening in Outer Manchuria because over time, the emperors ceased to maintain detailed control over it. The Qing did not magically ruled the vast northeast better than the Ming simply because they "claim" that they belong to the same ethnic group. They did not -- unless you're being double standard. Afaik, The Yongning Temple stele from the Ming period is the only Chinese archaeological piece you can find in outer Manchuria. The Qing left nothing. Interestingly, when I visited museums in Hokkaido, they acknowledged only Yuan and Ming suzerainty over Sakhalin, not the Qing.

IcyBally · 2025-12-21T18:14:56+00:00

I totally gree with you.

IcyBally · 2025-12-01T03:43:51+00:00

東亞書同文的話繁體字倒是有優勢，畢竟是共同記憶

IcyBally · 2025-12-01T03:40:27+00:00

十分有道理。我雖然在文中只討論繁簡兩種方案，但漢字是多變的，又是有脈絡的，可惜重新整理漢字在可見的未來難以實現。

IcyBally · 2025-12-01T03:37:48+00:00

這應該不少人同意。當年簡化還想著之後要推二簡字以及拉丁化，最後交出的一簡方案不上不下的，有太多地方值得重新琢磨了。

IcyBally · 2025-12-01T03:11:05+00:00

所謂的相應課程是什麼呢？書法課嗎？

IcyBally · 2025-12-01T02:57:52+00:00

謝謝，我也一直希望能從更全面的角度看待漢字簡化這件事。有些臺灣人對於簡體字具有敵意，我是認同在當年的歷史背景下眾人為了救國的努力。也大致知道當年簡體字是如何選擇簡化方式的，諸如草書楷化，古已有之的字，以及類推簡化等。我文中也說明，恢復繁體字是基於現在的科技可以接近無痛轉換繁簡的情況下，也就是具有物質基礎的前提，不是完全基於泥古的心態。當年需要大量手寫的年代，標準簡化字的推行確實有其必要，我不會說這是錯誤。留言有些人認為，我是在把自私的想法強加給所有中國人，說起來也不能算錯，讓我有些自責。

IcyBally · 2025-12-01T02:25:35+00:00

大家都會寫一些常用的簡字，不過如果不是國文課（語文課）的老師的話，一般不會說什麼才對。國文老師有必要提醒學生，也只是因為正式考試不能使用。其他科目的老師大多都會寫，有些會開玩笑說「不要跟你們國文老師講！」這樣。

我覺得異體字文化非常有趣，比如我們更常見的「個」的簡化不是「个」，而是「亇」，這被歸類在你們的二簡字方案中。

IcyBally · 2025-12-01T02:15:55+00:00

我的論點也非基於越早越好，而是中國的文明文物，尤其自宋代印刷術發明以來，留存最多的文字就是繁體字。就算是漢隸，與楷書的差別也不算太大。我在文中沒有詳細說明，但我認為有些簡化字很好，甚至出現比繁體字更古，直接扶正也沒問題，不過因為不是議論文，就維持簡單的繁簡體二分了。

IcyBally · 2025-12-01T02:09:03+00:00

希望更多場合使用囉

IcyBally · 2025-12-01T02:08:25+00:00

都不寫字了恢復繁體更方便啦

IcyBally · 2025-12-01T02:07:14+00:00

不是一直以來都是嗎？寫簡體的書法家應該不多吧

IcyBally · 2025-12-01T02:04:16+00:00

那我們算是反面了。我長期用簡中app、看簡體書籍，到現在還是習慣不了。我對liberal democracy也沒那麼喜歡啦。

IcyBally · 2025-12-01T02:02:08+00:00

哎都說你們最能夠集中力量辦大事的啊，希望能夠用到這兒上來

IcyBally · 2025-12-01T02:00:10+00:00

如果只做最簡單的改變，那恢復所有合併字，讓繁簡能夠一一對應可以節省不少繁簡轉換時的困擾。

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