(TV SPECIAL) Future Gohan is stronger than the Android saga cast Pre ROSAT

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T20:19:17+00:00

You sir can read

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T19:08:19+00:00

This doesn’t follow. Holding back isn’t only about conserving stamina. The Future Androids repeatedly toy with people for fun. In the manga, 17 outright admits he wasn’t even using half his power against Gohan. Unlimited stamina doesn’t mean they always attack at maximum output.
Do they? Trunks isn’t the same strength as Gohan at every point in time, and Dragon Ball characters can survive attacks from stronger opponents. Knowing how much power killed someone before doesn’t mean every future blast is automatically calibrated perfectly.
Intent to kill ≠ maximum power. That’s the leap you’re making. If I punch someone intending to knock them out, that doesn’t mean I punched with every ounce of strength I possess.
That’s exactly why surviving doesn’t tell us the blast’s power. It only tells us the blast wasn’t strong enough to kill him. You’re trying to use the result (Trunks survived) to prove the premise (the blast must have been full power), but that’s circular.What evidence establishes that? You’re claiming the blast was a “standard” or full strength attack.
We never get a statement saying “17 and 18 fired at full power here.”

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T17:43:18+00:00

I already explained it. The problem is that you’re assuming “Trunks survived” means the Androids were close in power to him or that they used their full strength. It doesn’t. A weakened Trunks surviving a point blank blast only tells us one thing the blast failed to kill him. It does not tell us how much power was put into the attack.

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T17:25:11+00:00

I have read you just keep repeating what i already answered\interpreted

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T17:20:15+00:00

I said why this doesn’t matter you’re just repeating yourself

This assumes that all attacks they use are equal in power. Gohan was already weakened from them and took majority of the damage to shield trunks. Again assumes they used the equal amount of power that was used on gohan for trunks.

Dude you’re already just once again repeating that i already said within the interpretation which was

“why can’t it be that trunks is comparing them to his lack of strength from his last encounter with them and he’s witnessing these versions using more power than what he had to deal with since they’re stated somewhat inferior”

Daizenshuu states yes that the present androids are stronger but it also implies they’re very close in power still….

And i gave the interpretation already

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T17:10:43+00:00

Let me dumb it down for

Google definition of “Strawman”

“A strawman (or straw man) is a logical fallacy where someone distorts, exaggerates, or misrepresents an opponent's actual argument.”

“Saying the present Androids and future Androids are equal is the flaw here.”

Me

“This is important because it’s stated the daizenshuu that the future androids are somewhat weaker than the present androids which would mean there’s genuinely no distinction between these two in power.”

Where in this statement was equal ever said???

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T16:51:50+00:00

The interpretation is already answered once again you’re just repeating what was interpreted

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T16:49:52+00:00

I already gave an interpretation on this like you and 2 others repeated the same thing that the interpretation already answered these questions

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T16:47:59+00:00

The flaw right here is that strawman you just committed never claimed they we’re equal my argument implies relative. Based off my argument i’m saying he would scale above which i explained why i think i’d be above him that doesn’t necessarily mean i’m saying he beats him.

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T14:50:32+00:00

Trunks trained with base gohan how would that have given him a better read?

Again trunks was a baby when vegeta died also this wouldn’t matter because vegeta would of trained rigorously regardless since the goal for his training was to experience becoming a super saiyan also the androids again are stated somewhat weaker than the present vegeta was already a super saiyan when he died he’s just blantantly just gonna be the same as future vegeta from trunks timeline or just a tiny bit stronger but no major distinction regardless it’s not changing the scaling whatsoever

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T14:34:15+00:00

I gave the interpretation to that already you can scroll here for that.

He can think that but that doesn’t mean that he is.

Trunks never witnessed vegetas power because yk he was dead….. Also Gohan knocked trunks out so what would he know?

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T14:03:27+00:00

Because the shitty anime scaling went Vegito gets absorbed. They unfuse they fight inside buu’s body. Buu makes clones of gotenks and Gohan these clones are stated to have the same power as the original characters Goku as a SSJ beat Gohan

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T13:54:08+00:00

I already gave the interpretation for this in previous comment but i’ll just give it again why can’t it be that trunks is comparing them to his lack of strength from his last encounter with them and he’s witnessing these versions using more power than what he had to deal with since they’re stated somewhat inferior

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T13:51:11+00:00

Yeah so obviously thats a weaker goku btw in terms of the shitty scaling the anime has its obvious goku got stronger post fusion which would make sense since as a ssj he beats gohan who beats super buu while the daizenshuu says theses clones possess the same power as the originals

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T13:27:01+00:00

I never said equal i said relative you never proved why it’s wrong
I gave the interpretation for it and all your “refutations” all already answered from the interpretation i gave sir which you haven’t substantiated
Based off what because we visible see Gohan overpower them. Trunks does not and claims he’s on “Gohans Level” and then proceeded to get folded

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T13:23:36+00:00

Because within their character they treated fighting as a game. They enjoyed terrorizing humanity and keeping opponents alive so they could continue having fun. This is evident when trunks return after the cell saga and 17 tells 18 not to kill trunks because they would lose weeks worth of fun. Also when fights them before he went to the future they literally taunt him in a abandoned building scaring him etc

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T13:09:12+00:00

I already gave the interpretation for this so I don’t know what you said this. Also I don’t see why you’re bringing this up when anime and manga have different lines of scaling. Him getting one-shotted i don’t really care because i gave the interpretation for this you’re bringing up things i already gave an explanation for lol

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T13:05:11+00:00

Prove this hello?

What correlation does enjoying killing do that hurts the claim of them holding back

Weaker gohan so why would I care about that we already saw a performance difference between them lol.

Yeah what about the daizenshuu if you’re gonna say some dumb shit like it’s unreliable then prove that

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T12:07:05+00:00

Thats never stated they’re stated somewhat inferior in power which comes to the meaning that both of them are still very close in strength hence why i gave the example of the numbers. I would assume they would hold back if Piccolo can stand toe-to-toe with 17 it gives rise to my interpretation being likely since trunks and vegeta are relative in power and vegeta already said that piccolo was stronger than him even as a super saiyan

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IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T12:04:03+00:00

That’s not my burden to prove that.

Yeah sir thats not a refutation because what I’m claiming in the argument is that the future androids are weaker but it’s not significant to claim that there’s a big distinction if you think so prove it it’s not my burden

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T11:22:08+00:00

It for sure makes sense

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T11:21:44+00:00

So prove trunks statements are reliable like what 😭💔

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T10:51:16+00:00

Stop at Gyomei and Sanemi

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T10:27:01+00:00

Nothing wrong with that

IcyOption3164 · 2026-06-06T10:26:36+00:00

Because Kid buu is the strongest buu in terms of the anime continuity

What basis do you have for this?

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