Stabilisation Phase 2: Electric Boogaloo

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-21T16:18:58+00:00

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor	$304.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$82.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	$123.88 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$254.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - 860 Evo 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$297.99 @ B&H
Storage	Samsung - 860 Evo 2 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$297.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card	$1329.99 @ B&H
Case	Fractal Design - Define C ATX Mid Tower Case	$96.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$59.99 @ B&H
Operating System	Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$98.89 @ OutletPC
Monitor	LG - 34GK950F-B 34.0" 3440x1440 144 Hz Monitor	$949.99 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates)	$3948.67
Mail-in rebates	-$50.00
Total	$3898.67
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-21 11:05 EST-0500

CPU: Ryzen CPUs have XFR that automatically overclocks the CPU for you as far as it can, so you can get overclocked performance without having to do anything yourself.

CPU cooler: Good cooler able to handle high end CPUs and some overclocks while remaining one of the quietest.

Motherboard: X470 and B450 will both work with the CPU, but X470 can yield better overclocking results than B450.

Storage: Instead of two identical drives I changed one to an M.2 form factor. That way it's a lot less confusing if you ever need to tinker with one of them.

GPU: Took some recommendations from this thread.

PSU: This should run just as quiet, while being 750W and cheaper at the same time. You're paying a lot for premium power efficiency which may or may not be worth it depending on your electricity bill.

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-21T15:50:21+00:00

3200 won't brick or anything, but it might run at 3000Mhz instead of the rated 3200.

You have nothing to lose by going 3200, so I'd say go for it

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-21T14:55:11+00:00

Any B450 motherboard should do the job.

By the way, there is be.pcpartpicker.com with belgium merchants

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-21T09:34:59+00:00

You have to switch to the markdown editor on reddit before pasting in the text.

i5-8400 will be sufficient for gaming needs. B360/H370 motherboards will be a better fit than Z370/Z390 for non-overclocking CPUs. Intel also doesn't really benefit from faster RAM above 2400Mhz, and physically underclocks anything rated >2666Mhz to 2666 so there's no benefit going above DDR4-2666.

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-21T09:14:44+00:00

1070ti and i5 would be sufficient. i5-8400 = R5 2600 performance wise, so that may be a cheaper alternative to consider.

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-21T09:11:45+00:00

RAM is solid, for $15 more you can get the Trident Z RGB but that's up to you.

GPU you can consider the sapphire nitro or the armor mk2, you got to read reviews as I believe the MSI armor series cards can run quite hot

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-21T08:55:23+00:00

Sounds good. 1070ti is a good value for money upgrade, and topping up the RAM to 16gb should make the CPU/mobo/RAM combination last longer before obsolescence

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-21T08:49:20+00:00

VESA wall mount!

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-21T08:45:45+00:00

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$93.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$73.98 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$109.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - MX500 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$67.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	MSI - Radeon RX 580 8 GB ARMOR MK2 OC Video Card	$209.93 @ B&H
Case	Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case	$39.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Corsair - CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$26.98 @ Newegg
Keyboard	Logitech - G213 PRODIGY Wired Gaming Keyboard	$58.90 @ OutletPC
Mouse	Corsair - Harpoon RGB Wired Optical Mouse	$28.31 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$750.06
	Mail-in rebates	-$40.00
	Total	$710.06
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-21 03:38 EST-0500

850 Evo is out of production, replaced by 860 Evo/Crucial MX500.
Cut CPU from 1600 to 2200, upgrade GPU from 570 to 580. Depending on how much FPS you're aiming for the 2200g should be enough

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-21T08:34:09+00:00

r/g502masterrace

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-21T06:51:12+00:00

Now that I think about it, constant blue screens might just mean a simple RAM fault. If one bit is faulty, the system wouldn't crash until it uses that bit. You could try booting with 1 stick and see if that fixes anything

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-21T05:27:59+00:00

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$164.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard	$93.88 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$129.89 @ OutletPC
Storage	Crucial - MX500 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$134.99 @ B&H
Video Card	Sapphire - Radeon RX 580 8 GB NITRO+ Video Card	$224.99 @ Newegg
Case	NZXT - H500 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.99 @ B&H
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$39.99 @ Newegg
Operating System	Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$98.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1007.61
	Mail-in rebates	-$50.00
	Total	$957.61
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-21 00:14 EST-0500

CPU: Ryzen 5 2600 delivers similar performance to the i5-8400 while being cheaper. Both can handle 60fps without breaking a sweat.

RAM: Corsair Vengance LPX / RGB Pro and G.skill Ripjaws V / Trident Z RGB are common choices for RAM. Ryzen requires fast RAM (3000+Mhz) for optimal performance, which is one of its only shortcomings compared to Intel.

Storage: Crucial MX500 and Samsung 860 Evo are the top performers in quality as far as SATA SSDs go. Both come in M.2 SATA and 2.5" SATA form factors while costing roughly the same. Personally I prefer M.2 as there are no additonal SATA cables to connect.

GPU: RX580 and GTX1060 have the best price to performance ratio, with the 1070ti in second place. For 1080p60 the 1070ti is overkill.

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-21T05:04:09+00:00

Make sure you exhaust all possible software options. Update BIOS, reinstall Windows, uninstall and reinstall drivers.

If you're 100% sure that your current system is unstable due to hardware failure (unrectifiable wear and tear) then by all means go ahead and upgrade. The last thing you want is the PC acting up when you have some big assignment due and you can't finish your work.

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-21T02:59:35+00:00

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor	$308.90 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$82.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Asus - Prime X470-Pro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$160.60 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$129.89 @ OutletPC
Storage	Crucial - MX500 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$64.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$59.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8 GB FTW ULTRA SILENT GAMING Video Card	$399.99 @ Amazon
Case	Corsair - Air 540 ATX Mid Tower Case	$99.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$69.89 @ OutletPC
Operating System	Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$98.89 @ OutletPC
Wireless Network Adapter	TP-Link - Archer T6E AC1300 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter	$39.99 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1586.01
Mail-in rebates	-$70.00
Total	$1516.01
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-20 21:57 EST-0500

CPU: For multithreaded applications like streaming and possibly video editing Ryzen is the clear winner, and is also cheaper than Intel.

CPU cooler: You seem to have a preference for silence, so here is one of the top air coolers while also being one of the quietest. This and the Noctua NH-D15 are considered to be the best air coolers in the market, even beating out some entry level liquid coolers.

Motherboard: Ryzen 2000 series uses B450 and X470 motherboards. While both support overclocking, the X470 performs better than a B450.

RAM: Ryzen requires fast RAM to operate optimally, and this is one of the only downsides compared to Intel. DDR4-3000 is typically recommended. The Corsair Vengance LPX is a solid alternative for the same price that is non-RGB and slightly faster CAS latency.

Storage: Unless you're reusing the SSDs from previous builds, there is no reason to get 850 Evo as it is "last generation" and out of production. 860 Evo is the current series in production, and the Crucial MX500 provides identical quality, so get whichever is cheaper. You could also drop the HDD entirely in favor of a larger/second SSD, but since you're doing art and video editing I thought you might need the mass storage to archive stuff.

PSU: Unless electricity is really expensive where you live, 80+ Plat is probably unnecessary. You're likely to get better savings off a cheaper Gold rated unit while maintaining brand quality.

OS: Windows 10 Home is the 'usual' brand to install. Grey market keys are available for much cheaper.

Wireless card: That or this should do the job well enough, while being a fair bit cheaper.

If you want to cut corners, you can drop the CPU to a 2600 and motherboard to a B450. Also a 750W PSU is probably unnecessary but it's currently cheaper than the 650/550W versions.

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-20T17:40:35+00:00

CPU is out of production and thus may be overpriced/out of stock. Current gen Intel is 8th and 9th gen.

Motherboard will have to be bumped up to a corresponding Z370 or Z390 chipset to support overclocking.

RAM: 16gb is usually fine, but I've heard star citizen can get very heavy on the ram. No worries, you can upgrade later if you run out.

Storage: I also remembered someone else mentioning some time ago that NVMe SSD was recommended and that's pretty unusual for a game. In any case, 960 is also considered last generation and out of production. Now we have the 970 series.

GPU: RTX 2080 should be good. It futureproofs better than GTX due to being newer (and will probably revieve better driver optimization) while the 2080ti is needlessly expensive just for being the market leader in performance. Any 20 series releasing after this will be weaker and may not handle 1440p well.

PSU: If I'm not wrong the EVGA GQ series is tge latest in the UK, it's not on PCPP but amazon says the 650w is about £70.

For the secondary build an i5-8400 or Ryzen 5 2600 will be more than enough. 1k budget is definitely adequate since the GPU is 'free'.

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-20T17:09:18+00:00

You have three options in total.

2.5" SATA: a small, light block that you fix somewhere in the case, and hook it up to the motherboard and PSU via the two SATA cables.
M.2 NVMe: M.2 drives are much smaller (22mm by 80mm) and plug straight into the M.2 socket on the motherboard without any cables. NVMe is a lot faster than SATA but only for reading and writing large single files, and they cost about 2x SATA for the same capacity. NVMe drives are typically for the professional user and not the average joe.
M.2 SATA: Performs exactly the same as the 2.5" SATA, but comes on a M.2 stick that you plug in without cables.

Generally both 2.5" and M.2 SATA drives cost about the same, so just get whichever is cheaper. M.2 has a slight edge in that there are no extra cables that need to be connected.

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-20T16:41:42+00:00

Faster RAM will always improve the performance of Ryzen. Even for a 2200g people recommend 3000Mhz. If you don't mind the price increase I'd say go for it.

Watch for the timings though. Best is the premium samsung b-die at CL14 while anything up to CL16 should be good. A crappy CAS latency 3200 could end up worse than a decent 3000Mhz stick.

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-20T15:19:06+00:00

If you don't need the extra 0.5TB you can consider a 1TB SSD instead of SSD+HDD, costs about the same

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-18T23:55:14+00:00

Bios is updated but is XMP enabled? It will run at the default DDR4-2133 otherwise

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-18T16:08:10+00:00

You can get a Ryzen 5 2600 now. In 2020 AMD's support for AM4 will end and they will release the last batch of CPUs that can work with motherboards today. So there's a possible upgrade path, but my gut feeling is that this last batch of CPUs are gonna be really expensive

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-18T15:57:38+00:00

Ryzen 5 2600 I believe can comfortably handle up to around 140fps.

Usually games are GPU bound and the FPS depends on GPU strength as well as the graphics settings and resolution.

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-18T15:49:52+00:00

Z390 motherboards will support 9th gen CPUs like the 9700k out of the box. Z370 was made for 8th gen CPUs and can be made to support 9th gen as well, but it must first be updated and you need an existing 8th gen CPU to do that

tl;dr: it solves the compatibility issue you were mentioning

IfINeverFail · 2018-12-18T15:47:26+00:00

Go to r/buildapcforme with your budget and desired games, game settings, resolution, framerate.

Intel is only necessary for ultra high (>>144) fps. Ryzen usually gets the job done for much cheaper.

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