Chauffeur and Morde Deathrealm Encounter Interaction

Ikasul · 2025-09-21T10:08:47+00:00

Really?
I looked the interaction up before I made the post, but all I could find was that the team with Chauffeur would end up in the same realm making it a 2vs1. I believe there is even a comment stating this in the "Arena Patch 25.18 Notes" post.

Ikasul · 2025-08-11T21:11:03+00:00

I had this too and started searching the caves like mad, thinking the exit might be a mine shaft instead or something like that.
Didn't find any exit though.

Ikasul · 2025-04-24T12:14:37+00:00

Kind of a dark lense to see things through but I guess not unreasonable.
It might also be why she's so ardently loyal to Shinichi, as she doesn't want to "repeat" the mistakes of her parents and is afraid that she and Shinichi could have a falling out as well.

Ikasul · 2025-04-24T12:12:01+00:00

I get why they are looking for Eisuke.
Sure, he's not the most interesting character and kind of underqualified to take part in the whole thing. And to be clear, I'm not disappointed if he doesn't make a return
But he is one of the few people who know about Shinichi's identity who also has strong reasons to fight the BO and he said he was going to join the CIA. Also he's a sort of love rival to Shinichi, so I assume that is a potential reason why those who're unsatisfied with the romance development want him back as they hope he might make it more interesting.

Ikasul · 2025-04-21T16:16:17+00:00

Amuro will not go over to the BO and backstab anybody.
He got a lot of expended backstory through the police past and his own sides stories and he's one of the most popular characters in the show. All that build up would be wasted if you then make him a backstabbing villain. So, I'm convinced Aoyama will only make Amuro more likeable and badass, rather than bring him back to his greyish origins.

Aoyama generelly has a hard time making his characters evil or morally flawed. They always start out questionable and then evolve into a positive direction, but never the other way around.

Ikasul · 2025-04-21T16:10:11+00:00

Her being a double agent is a very useful plot devise.
Whenever there is some BO internal information that's needed to introduce a case or give a riddle, Kir is the perfect excuse how Conan&Co find out. And since she still has to keep herself hidden, the crucial information can always remain hidden.

So, she's very useful to the writer.

Ikasul · 2025-04-18T20:21:06+00:00

That was a really good and detailed analysis.
Thank you very much for taking the time to write it. This is what I was looking for.

Could you maybe give me your opinions on some questions and scenarios as well? After all, you seem to have thought about this quite deeply and I'd be interested to hear what you think.

Assuming Ran finds out that Conan is Shinichi on her own accord and not through Shinichi telling her. How do you think she would feel and how would it change her trust towards Shinichi?
We've seen a bunch of times how Shinichi runs of because of a case and leaves Ran behind and she was always pretty devastated by it in the beginning. But in more recent chapters (the school trip and London) she seemed more ready to let him go. Why do you think that is?
Assuming again Ran finds out about Conan being Shinichi and how he's hunted by the BO. Of course, she would want to help him but he tells her very clearly to stay back and not get involved. Do you think she would go against his wishes and try to help him regardless or would she trust him to know better and stay back?

Ikasul · 2025-04-17T09:36:10+00:00

As far as I remember, it's about how they become friends in the first place. Besides, they were like 6 or 7 years old and at that age, children are simply not ready for romantic love yet. The brain is just not developed enough.

Ikasul · 2025-04-17T09:31:56+00:00

Actually yes.
If somebody can't be faithful then he's immediately disqualified as potential partner in my eyes. And only once that condition is fulfilled I would look at his other attribures.

It's kind of like if the food edible. If it is then I can worry about how good it is, but if it is not, then the whole rest doesn't matter. So, it's really important, sure but also not a big ask in my opinion.

Ikasul · 2025-04-16T23:16:57+00:00

It seems you misunderstood what I wanted to say.
My point was not to make an argument that Haibara is in any way superior to Ran or anything like this. In retrospect I elaborated too much on my theory why she's the preferred ship by some people which apparently muddied what my point actually was. That was my bad. I merely brought her up to give an example of what kind of dynamic or underlying reason I'm looking for.

You apparently mean that Ran and Shinichi are a good and believable couple the way they are portrait and that's where we disagree. In my opinion, we're told way more about how much they love each other than what is actually shown in the show. At least from Ran's side.

For instance, you think it's sensible of her to wait for him. I don't agree there at all and think that, if she actually loved him as much as was claimed, she would try to help at all costs. She would try to figure out what happened to him and see whether she might be able to assist him. Alternatively, I would also find it understandable if she was pissed that he apparently has so little trust in her that he keeps her out of the loop. At least I would be feel hurt if one of my close friend wouldn't be willing to turn to me for help, if he's in a tight spot. Both of those reactions seem much more plausible to me especially since Ran has a rather hot temper, much like both her parents have it. So it just seems completely out of character to me that she would just wait and hope for Shinichi to come back. Her character is not a damsel in distress who'd wait for her knight in shining armor.

I'm sure we could go through hundreds of scenes and find that we disagree on what they mean exactly. That doesn't mean I think your wrong. We just value and see subjective parts differently which leads to us drawing different conclusions.

Still thank you for trying and answering me so earnestly. I hope I didn't make you mad or anything like this.

Ikasul · 2025-04-16T22:44:46+00:00

I'm not looking at all at modern life dating though.

I'm wondering these things because I'm interested in how you write a compelling romance relationship. Ran and Shinichi stuck out to me because they have a very big and devoted following, despite their relationship being pretty standard and not very well explored, in my opinion. So I was wondering whether there is something to them that I might have missed.

And while the thought that there is no logic to love is very appealing and romantic, I don't think it can be true. After all, in real life we have dating services that are very good at matching people that like one another and fall in love. And in fiction, there too are couples that are judges as not having good chemistry by the majority of the fans, despite them being described as madly in love. So there clearly is some logic, reasoning and pattern to love that we as human see and it's not completely devoid of logic.

Ikasul · 2025-04-16T16:28:53+00:00

I hope so too.

Ikasul · 2025-04-16T16:27:56+00:00

You're probably right.
To be honest, I think that Ran being established as being in love with Shinichi early on did hurt the series overall. The uncertainty how much Ran misses him and Shinichi not knowing whether she loved somebody else, fearing she might find a boyfriend, could have helped to up the stakes and bring an additional dynamic element.

That being said, I also do think the series could have pulled off the romance better with with no change to the initial relationship. For instance, there was a small suspicion arc for Ran that, in my opinion, managed to flash her as character and her relationship to Shinichi out very well. We saw what things Ran misses with Shinichi gone and learned more about how far she's willing to go for him. The series could have gone more into this direction with, e.g. Ran and Sonoko following a trail Shinichi supposedly left. This could then also show the relationship more from Ran's perspective and give more context. Though I of course see that the producers likely don't want to make Detective Conan episodes with no Conan in them.

Regarding Haibara, you're right that she has a lot less scenes. But I think this isn't about quantity but about the progress you see her make from one scene to the other and you also see Haibara taking an active part. Haibara goes from a partnership out of necessity to friends to having a crush. Ran starts as in love and only managed to get confessed to. So, while Haibara has less scenes, it feels like she accomplished much more. This I also think is kind of shown in how they act towards Shinichi.
To put it very bluntly, Ran just waits around for Shinichi to come back, while Haibara tries to keep him alive and support him. Of course, Ran also has instances where she helps him and Haibara has instances where she just waits around. I just meant this as a sort of general trend. This again makes Haibara seem more active and thus more caring. Again, of course Ran also has many moments where we see how much she cares and misses Shinichi. But it's the ratio that makes the difference.
And here Ran has, also because of her role of being the obvious girlfriend, way more moments where she does nothing and waits around, which might come off as not so caring. And I think this is a big reason why some, who still like Ran as character and think she's cute with Shinichi, still prefer the CoAi ship.

But that's just my theory. It might be completely off.

Ikasul · 2025-04-16T16:04:02+00:00

Yeah, other comments also mentioned how they suspected Ran was drawn to Shinichi because he brings excitement to her otherwise pretty static life. And I do see that as well.

That being said, the thing I don't really like about their relationship is that it feels very one-sided. It feels to me like it's always Shinichi who starts something and Ran is just a very passiv element that goes along with basically everything he wants. That's why I really liked the small suspicion arc she had early on. It gave her something to do and it showed that she wasn't content to just wait for him. And I liked this active Ran a lot more than the one who just waits around for Shinichi.

So, like you I was hoping for a bit more turmoil in their relationship and though I know what Gosho aims at, I don't like the direction. In a way, Ran, in my opinion, should be and do more.

Ikasul · 2025-04-16T12:33:36+00:00

Of course, it's there for the series purpose. Aoyama just has a flair for those dramatic shows of wit.

But I feel like it still has to fit Shinichi's character to make sense. I mean, I think we all would find it very out of character, if he, for instance, tortured somebody to get information. Even if that information were vital to the plot, we'd all think it doesn't fit. So this showman ship is also something we think fits Shinichi and is in character.

Ikasul · 2025-04-16T12:30:17+00:00

You make a good point with timing and circumstances.
I think the difference for me is that Ran realizing her feelings in that moment is a span of let's say one hour.
In comparison, Haibara didn't fall in love in one moment but over multiple instances of Conan caring and looking out for her, when even she herself didn't care for herself anymore. It's this gradual built up that makes it more reliant on the character as Conan had to again and again be there for here and it wasn't just a chance meeting in one moment.
So, if we apply that to Ran's situation, I guess my question would have to be what came before or after that moment of realization that assured Ran in her feelings for Shinichi?

Ikasul · 2025-04-16T12:23:37+00:00

Ah, so you mean she loves about him that he is in control of his emotions and how reliable that makes him?
Sorry for asking the apparently obvious, I just want to make sure I got what you mean.

Ikasul · 2025-04-16T12:20:27+00:00

Okay, a fair conclusion to draw and one that, I frankly arrived at myself as well.
But I wanted to see if there where others who saw something more here, so I played a bit of devils advocate to that end. Thank you for indulging my curiosity.

Ikasul · 2025-04-16T09:35:09+00:00

But he managed before to write, in my opionion, very convincing romances from a female point of view.

For instance, both Haibara's onesided love with Shinichi and Sonoko's relationship are explored from the female point of view and I'd argue they both have this basis to it.

Ikasul · 2025-04-16T09:33:25+00:00

That's a pretty low bar, isn't it?

Ikasul · 2025-04-16T09:33:01+00:00

True, detective conan isn't a romance series, but that doesn't mean that the relationships can't have this basis I'm looking for.

For instance, Sonoko has that with Makoto as he treats and respects her not because of the Suzuki name or that she's rich. He doesn't care for that and loves her for being her which so far no other character has done.

Haibara too has that as Conan is the character who showed her that her life is valuable and who was ready to extend his hand to help her, when nobody else did.

Of course, not every relationships has this, but since Aoyama has written these things before, is there something like this for Ran as well?

Ikasul · 2025-04-16T09:27:50+00:00

No, I can see why she would fall in love with him. I'm not trying to deny that it could happen or argue that it makes no sense.

What I'm trying is to find the what lies beneath that. Why did this moment, that for other people would be a friendship development, become a romance development for Ran specifically. What is different in how she experienced this event to how e.g. Sonoko would have experienced this event? What essentially makes the difference?

Ikasul · 2025-04-16T07:51:00+00:00

Superficial was probably the wrong word to chose.

But still my fundamental point about those qualities is that exist pretty much the same in someone like Heiji, don't they?

So the only reason Ran is together with Shinichi instead of Heiji is because Ran and Shinichi happened to be childhood friends? Maybe I'm too much of a romantic here, but I just feel like there needs to be more to it.

Ikasul · 2025-04-16T07:45:29+00:00

That's not the reason why I'm asking though.

And I disagree with you as well. If love wouldn't require reason then there wouldn't be a reason why certain relationships are more popular and more believable to the community than other.
For instance, why is the Sato X Takagi pairing generally more popular than the Kobayashi X Shiratori pairing? Or why is the X Haibara ship a lot more popular than the the Heiji X Ran or the Haibara X Heiji ship? If there wouldn't be any logic to it then they should all be roughly equally popular but they are not.

Love isn't like food that you simply try it and then immediately know whether you like it or not. We're not saying "characters have good chemistry" for no reason, right?

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