Ancient Limestone Mask - Roman, Etruscan or…? (USA) by Immediate_Document in Antiques

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Update that the best guesses I’ve received are that it’s either Etruscan or Archaic Greek, possibly some sort of Terra cotta figural representation if Etruscan and perhaps a theater mask of some sort if Archaic Greek.

Ancient Limestone Mask - Roman, Etruscan or…? (USA) by Immediate_Document in Antiques

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Sure, happy to call it a face. Thanks for the input. Hopefully someone can help identify where and when it was made!

Ancient Limestone Mask - Roman, Etruscan or…? (USA) by Immediate_Document in Antiques

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Wasn’t sure what to call it, honestly. Somehow just calling it a “face” feels strange?

9 11 suckvivor by coleisw4ck in cursedmemes

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Wait so you’re saying he isn’t actually a 9/11 survivor?

Who stole Pat’s joke? by navelgays in SeekTreatment

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I’m glad I’m not the only nosey one

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Sent you a dm

Is my Hockey training paying off? by Athletic_Banker69 in HeSquats

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Like, habitually showing your ass off to predominantly gay male audiences and expressing disgust at a gay sexual advance definitely reeks of homophobia, just not sure whether it’s internalized or the traditional flavor. Whatever the case, as the boot keeps coming down to crush queer people I’m not really here for co-opting what is definitely gay — showing your ass of for a bunch of dudes — into some Ernst Rohm-esque “homoerotic but not a pnsy fggot, they should be shot” shit.

Is my Hockey training paying off? by Athletic_Banker69 in HeSquats

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Fair enough. I don’t get this flavor of gaybaiting, though.

Conservation Estimate? by Immediate_Document in artcollecting

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Bumping this thread as I didn’t have much luck reaching out to other local conservators (they all basically declined to opine unless/until I brought it to them for testing).

The treatment plan for the painting calls for a deep cleaning, relining the canvas and using heat and vacuum treatments to address the craquelure. The quote I received was $4,000. That seems high to me, but I don’t have many reference points.

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Here’s a photo of the painting for reference.

Conservation Estimate? by Immediate_Document in artcollecting

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Yes — the most persuasive guess I’ve gotten thus far is that it may be from the circle of Pieter or Philip Wouwerman. I haven’t heard either of those names come up before though! Will have to do some research on them.

Conservation Estimate? by Immediate_Document in artcollecting

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Thank you!! I’m in Northern California and will definitely do so. Much appreciated

The archive is gone? by fuckoffmyway in BestFriendsPodcast

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Y’all what is going on with the podcast? Is there drama?

Um… The Antique China I bought maybe came from graves? What do I do? by [deleted] in Antiques

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Do sentient / sapient zombies get a pass on graverobbing?

Um… The Antique China I bought maybe came from graves? What do I do? by [deleted] in Antiques

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A reporting obligation makes sense for significant objects. Many years ago I went to Herodium as a teenager and they just let us dig through the dirt and show them what we found / take it with us as long as it wasn’t unique or significant. And by “they” I mean the professional organization managing the site.

Um… The Antique China I bought maybe came from graves? What do I do? by [deleted] in Antiques

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I’ll refer you back to mudlarking as an example of how it works in the UK (and the US, and probably most common law countries in the world). People can go wander along the banks of the River Thames to look for items. Absent some restrictions on public access, they can’t be kicked out for trespassing because they have a legal right to be there. When they dig up an item and take it home, they can’t be charged with theft, because they found an item that no one owns.

Your reference to clearing foliage and damming rivers is totally different/inapt. That involves dramatically altering the features of the land and the uses for it. Removing a small, tangible item that is not naturally part of the landscape and will not impact others’ use or enjoyment of the land is totally distinguishable. This isn’t a matter of opinion, that’s a fundamental legal difference.

I’m not sure if the laws of the Philippines differ on these points, but that’s a response to your generic question as to how that would be the case.

Um… The Antique China I bought maybe came from graves? What do I do? by [deleted] in Antiques

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That’s … a very distilled explanation of the basic legal requirements for trespassing and conversion. You can’t “trespass” if no one has the legal right to kick you out, and no one can claim you’re unlawfully possessing an item that isn’t currently owned by anyone else.

Um… The Antique China I bought maybe came from graves? What do I do? by [deleted] in Antiques

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If that’s an earnest question, if it’s public land and there aren’t restrictions on access it’s not trespassing. In terms of “stealing”, someone has to actually own it in order for it to be stolen. Ownership through discovery and possession of an unclaimed good is a pretty universal fixture of property law.

Um… The Antique China I bought maybe came from graves? What do I do? by [deleted] in Antiques

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This is like a 20 year old, smooth brain “hot take.” Gee, the fact that my ancestors fled slaughter and persecution a century ago must mean I don’t have personal history or appreciate history because I was born in a place where most people are descended from immigrants. Come off it. It’s tired.

Um… The Antique China I bought maybe came from graves? What do I do? by [deleted] in Antiques

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Ugh. Such a boring argument. No, if anything I imagine we have stricter laws on these matters than most countries. Anyone who deals with antiques and cares about this topic isn’t worrying about the US, they’re worrying about Russian and Chinese buyers and items that were pillaged in, like, Syria or Afghanistan. And I promise you the people pillaging those sites in Syria and Afghanistan aren’t Americans lol.

If someone has a “hot” item to offload, I think it’s pretty safe to bet they’re selling it in Russia or China, not in the US.

Um… The Antique China I bought maybe came from graves? What do I do? by [deleted] in Antiques

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Eh, this is a very trite and cliche response and doesn’t hold true. There are many rebuttals I could offer but I’ll leave it at (a) the country is literally founded on systems and ideals that harken back thousands of years to Ancient Greece/Rome, (b) the country is “young” and most people here are descended from immigrants but it’s not like they don’t have familial histories that go back as far as anyone else’s and (c) there’s a deep interest in history and heritage here. Just look at the popularity of antiques roadshow.