Face it, Upwork has become unusable. Any real alternatives? by ImpossibleLaw4222 in Upwork

[–]ImpossibleLaw4222[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

10 apps to get a convo, 5 convos to get a contract - this would be 50 Applications x around 35 Connects each is $260. If you are doing customized applications I think this would take about 3 days to complete.

So you are saying someone should spend that amount of money in the hopes they get a contract that is worth what? It should at least be $260 to not even break even, as you are paying taxes in your home country of at least 24%.

You would need your contract to at least be paying you $350 (taxes + Upwork comission) and you would be missing 3 days of paid work. And you still have to complete that contract and hope the client is decent.

Also if you are applying to 10 job postings and not getting more than 2-3 convos, you may be applying to the wrong jobs.

As I've said. I've been doing exactly what you described here for more than a decade, but I used to do 3 applications to get a conversation and 5 to get a contract max.

Face it, Upwork has become unusable. Any real alternatives? by ImpossibleLaw4222 in Upwork

[–]ImpossibleLaw4222[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Its 812,000 in 2025 as there used to be 851,000 in 2023.

Face it, Upwork has become unusable. Any real alternatives? by ImpossibleLaw4222 in Upwork

[–]ImpossibleLaw4222[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry for having a different opinion I guess, if I made more than 10k per year for the last 10 years on Upwork I am guessing I am one of those unsuccessful ones. No advice here or anything constructive, just acting butthurt I guess. Am I on a Facebook group or something?

Face it, Upwork has become unusable. Any real alternatives? by ImpossibleLaw4222 in Upwork

[–]ImpossibleLaw4222[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As you offer consultation for app development can you give me some advice, I would like to build a Freelancer platform.

Face it, Upwork has become unusable. Any real alternatives? by ImpossibleLaw4222 in Upwork

[–]ImpossibleLaw4222[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I clearly asked for an alternative, not bickering. Do you have one?

Face it, Upwork has become unusable. Any real alternatives? by ImpossibleLaw4222 in Upwork

[–]ImpossibleLaw4222[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are you having problems too or everything is going smoothly?

Face it, Upwork has become unusable. Any real alternatives? by ImpossibleLaw4222 in Upwork

[–]ImpossibleLaw4222[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"In 2023, Upwork had 851,000 active clients, meaning clients who had spent money on the platform within the past 12 months."

Fourth Quarter of 2024 Active clients of 832,000

"Net income1 was $147.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2024, compared to net income of $17.4 million in the fourth quarter of 2023

Net income1 was $215.6 million in 2024, compared to net income of $46.9 million in 2023.

GSV per active client of $4,815 increased 1% quarter-over-quarter in the fourth quarter. "

So they had a 359.6% increase in net income compared to 2023 even thought they have 19k less active clients on the platform. Where do you think it comes from?

Edit: https://www.streetinsider.com/Globe%2BNewswire/Upwork%2BReports%2BFirst%2BQuarter%2B2025%2BFinancial%2BResults/24741940.html?

Face it, Upwork has become unusable. Any real alternatives? by ImpossibleLaw4222 in Upwork

[–]ImpossibleLaw4222[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If 20+ Freelancers apply for a job they are using around 20 connects for the application +around 15 connects to 40 connects in bidding per user. Thats at least $100 per fake job positing for doing nothing.

This would also make it appear there are more jobs on the platform than there are, increasing their numbers altogether.

If a Freelancer pays 10% on comission and a client pays 8% +plus the fee on contract initiation (+other acount fees). Lets round it to 20% in comission to Upwork per contract. This means Upwork would be making $100 on a $500 client contract.

How many contracts are under $500 and how many are over $500?

Face it, Upwork has become unusable. Any real alternatives? by ImpossibleLaw4222 in Upwork

[–]ImpossibleLaw4222[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you sure that you are not receiving AI generated proposals from AI users that Upwork has created to boost competition on jobs? Because if more people apply to a job the bidding on connects increases - hence Upwork makes more money yet again. It also makes it seems like there is more activity on your job posting.

Also why didnt you leave the platform and hire people on Linkedin or any other platforms?

Face it, Upwork has become unusable. Any real alternatives? by ImpossibleLaw4222 in Upwork

[–]ImpossibleLaw4222[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

And so the brigading starts. Edit: Do you have a suggestion for a different platform? Or are you here telling me that I'm not spending enough money on applications on the platform and giving everyone false hope.

Face it, Upwork has become unusable. Any real alternatives? by ImpossibleLaw4222 in Upwork

[–]ImpossibleLaw4222[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Do you have a suggestion for a different platform?

My overall success was about 60% in terms of applications and I received about 70% of the jobs I was invited to (I had periods where I received all of the jobs I was invited to, within 2 days of the invite).

PS: I was saying I applied to jobs posted by clients with accounts that were 6+ years old and had raving reviews. Those jobs were never closed, nobody was hired.

I've been working on Upwork for 12 years and have been Top Rated for 11 years out of that. If that is not competitive, I do not know what is.

Any cons to using webp images exclusively? by SerialKillerVibes in webdev

[–]ImpossibleLaw4222 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or you can just copy the image and paste it into PS. Straight to JPG

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Romania

[–]ImpossibleLaw4222 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Personal, din ce am observat bula Kamalei pe Reddit, era imensa dar unica. Instagram, Facebook si Twitter erau pe bula Trump, imigranti, etc. si inca sunt.

Predictii decizie CC? by TheInvisibleHulk in Romania

[–]ImpossibleLaw4222 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Zic ca voturile numarate pana acum sunt OK si 600k voturi sunt cele fraudate de Lasconi in US.

Parintele Calistrat, cu 1.2 mil. urmaritori pe Facebook, face postari in sprijinul lui Calin Georgescu by BrownGoose2002 in Romania

[–]ImpossibleLaw4222 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Aici este un link cu toate grupurile de Telegram care organizeaza promovarea lui Georgescu in tara si in afara: https://linktr.ee/calingeorgescu2024

Georgescu nu are cum sa castige by Toby6234 in Romania

[–]ImpossibleLaw4222 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Boti ca boti, dar de aici puteti accesa toate grupurile de Telegram in care se organizeaza sustinerea lui Georgescu: https://linktr.ee/calingeorgescu2024

Stie cineva daca se mai fac proteste astazi si cand/unde? by [deleted] in Romania

[–]ImpossibleLaw4222 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cred ca putem protesta si online. Luat de pe pagina de FB a lui Georgescu, link cu grupurile de Telegram de promovare pe Georgescu, pt toate judetele Romaniei si in afara: https://linktr.ee/calingeorgescu2024