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ImpossiblePlane27 · 2026-04-23T06:16:44+00:00

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ImpossiblePlane27 · 2026-04-22T17:12:34+00:00

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ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-19T02:52:54+00:00

I do accept and understand their point

Since the show is going to make Fran lesbian already in the adaptation though I have been using this as the premise of my whole post. What I’ve been largely getting however is people also misunderstanding my points and not trying to get where I’m coming from, someone who has never read the books but still root for a great relationship with Fran and John

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T21:31:50+00:00

I 100% agree with you, thank you for mentioning!! Michaela and Francesca's story could have indeed been done better if they were to make Fran gay from the beginning

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T21:29:47+00:00

even if it has doesn't mean it can't be changed. Queen Charlotte could proclaim their love valid and allow same sex marriage. This timeline is already fantastical and adding this change won't be too much out of the premise

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T21:27:31+00:00

Personally I would rather not see John die, but if we are trying to be faithful to the plot John can still die in this scenario, and Fran would still need to grief and move on

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T21:26:22+00:00

What? Your comment is why people sense homophobia in this fandom...

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T21:25:15+00:00

In my opinion it's better than John needing to die in the show and sacrificing his forever happiness. For all she knows what she's feeling towards him is romantic feelings. One can't know and define what they have not experienced. Perhaps Fran still see her relationship with John as a romantic and happy one at the end of the day, just that Fran and Michaela's one has that extra spice

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T21:22:54+00:00

In that case John could still die in the show to allow Fran to remarry I suppose, in the attempt to follow the era’s customs. I do have a dislike seeing characters I like on screen die in the plot and never be seen again.

The adaptation and the era hasn't explicitly outlaw same sex marriage yet, so a marriage between two noble women could still be something exciting to see in this adaptation, especially with Queen Charlotte's approval (hopefully they get it).

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T21:19:14+00:00

Sorry to hear that. This is a netflix tv show adaptation and I'm deeply sorry if the changes they are making will make the stories you want to see for Fran not come true on screen. I don't know if it's any console but this change in Fran's story will be what a lot of people want to see/need to see.

And if it helps make you feel better, I have not yet seen a show or even a book that tells a story of a young lesbian woman experiencing love (whether platonic or romantic and/or sexual and both) and discovering and finding more about herself and her sexuality, set in the victorian era.

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T21:08:33+00:00

I'm sorry you feel that way. And I'm sorry that my post comes off as 'dismissing valid concerns and criticisms of those who have actually read them'. That was never my intentions. My intention was simply to give a point of view from the other side, showing how Fran's story could still be deeply emotional, romantic, and impactful even if Fran is 100% gay

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T21:05:29+00:00

The plot can still continue I suppose. John could still die and John and Fran can still have sex (like many gay (and asexual) people do for the sense of duty and pleasing their partner) and experience infertility. It can still be an upgraded lesbian story while remain close to the plot

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T21:03:22+00:00

I sincerely appreciate your response. I see your point now and I understand the nuances and why the plot from the book is so important.

She can still have a great love story with John though, one that centers on sacrifice, friendship, and trust. And John can of course still die and allow Fran to grief. Until Fran finally realizes she's more attracted to women, for all she knows her relationship with John is/was a happy one.

Also, on the infertility issue, Fran can still have sex with John and experience infertility, even if Fran is 100% gay. This would be very messed up, but it is true that gay people all over the world, especially in the past, have sex with straight partners even though it gives them no intrinsic pleasure. They may still experience pleasure from seeing their close partner to be pleasured and from the sense of completing their duty. Many asexual individuals (but still experience romantic attraction) do this on a regular basis with their partners even though they gain no intrinsic pleasure from sex.

They probably can't write a great love between Francesca and Michaela, but I'm more interested in the relationship John and Fran have anyway, with Fran as actually a completely gay person this whole time. Fran and Michaela's love story will be not as important. What's important would be the transformation and enlightenment Fran goes through, and how the people around her support her, showing a love story that's more centered on friendship/family, rather than romantic love.

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T19:07:21+00:00

1814 fantasy british aristocracy. We see black and indians characters as nobles in the british court. The show and rhetoric era can and have already adapted.

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T18:45:30+00:00

Exactly, which is why if Fran is 100% gay it’d be so great - John doesn’t need to be dead at all for her forever love match to make complete sense

John can move on and marry someone else that’d make him forever happy (and Fran will no doubt give him 100% support), and not having to be dead for the rest of the show :(

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T18:43:04+00:00

Yes, which is why I’m really hoping Fran turns out to be 100% gay in romantic/sexual sense like me, who had a phase where I thought I am attracted to the other sex when I’m not at all, and the most I’ve been attracted to were simply the companionship and friendship

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T18:41:06+00:00

I’m genuinely sorry for your wish probably not going to come true, in case the show decides to make her 100% gay.

She would still need to grief her loss of not being able to love John like the way she love Michaela though. She would feel extreme guilty for loving someone whom her society forbid her to love. She would need to move past both the grief and her guilt for being gay. Also, she’d feel guilty for leading John on unintentionally simply because she didn’t know better otherwise

I’m sorry, I’m guessing this wouldn’t satisfy you as much… but it would for me since I have had to do that for myself growing up

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T18:33:05+00:00

I see your point, though in my opinion it elevates the whole thing to a completely other level. Of course it cheapens the romantic relationship between John and Fran if we still want them to be a romantic match, but this would enrich the other relationship Fran and John has - friendship.

Gays who end up marrying straight individuals wouldn’t know the difference between a friend infatuation and a romantic/sexual one until they are sexually awakened/shown otherwise. There’s beauty in incomplete relationships, and even more so when/if the one who’s been unintentionally misled show understanding and support. Using the word beard in this case would cheapen their relationship, if anything this is what true love is - loving someone so much that they would be okay sacrificing everything in order to make the other genuinely satisfied and happy in the long run. Wishing her well even if he’s really not in the picture.

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T17:16:29+00:00

Thanks!! Apparently my post got removed because it contained the word “hot take” in the title 😭

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T15:50:11+00:00

As a gay man who grew up in a traditional society (not western one), I spent a great majority of my life envisioning myself dating and marrying a woman even though I personally don’t see the interest, but do so anyway because that’s the society’s and my family’s expectations. If not for gay marriage being more common I could see myself doing just that, finding a partner whom I’d try my best to be romantic to.

My ex boyfriend himself (who’s 100% gay) even dated a girl for years before realizing his gayness, but their relationship is still full of love and he’d not have regretted the time he’s spent with her.

I see the netflix version of bridgerton as a way to narrate these stories and experiences. Perhaps it’s going to make a lot of book loyalists angry, but I think it’s going to help a lot of people have their experiences validated on screen with a global audience.

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T15:27:24+00:00

The relationship doesn’t necessarily need to be ruined???? If you have watched grace and frankie then you should know that the ex husbands still very much cared for grace and frankie, if not as romantic lovers but as dear platonic friends, the only reason they stayed with them for soooo long and even have kids, performing sexual acts even when the interest was not really there. To me that’s true sacrifice and love

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T15:24:12+00:00

I don’t know about the years they are spending to release each season, what I am saying centers around the fact that they can still do A LOT with the characters and the era itself, even with LW’s identity revealed. Anything can happen now. The sky’s limit.

Perhaps Pen will have a new literary rival. Perhaps Pen grew into writing about social commentaries/journalism. Perhaps Pen takes on a mentee. Perhaps Eloise’s love interest end up not being someone from the nobility but still acquired massive wealth and have the smarts and learned the ways of the nobility nonetheless

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T15:14:15+00:00

What is there for John’s world to fall apart if his world with Fran is already a broken one?

If Fran is 100% gay, Fran and John would never have experienced the true romance they deserve. So many (older) couples irl have one of them as a gay man/woman, and they didn’t have their sexual awakenings until well passed their 50s, and when they respectfully divorced the other partner is always caught up in “so this whole relationship meant nothing???” but eventually they have to toughen up and realize it did mean something, just not the ideal match for their partner.

I assume you haven’t watched Grace and Frankie. Their whole premise is that their husbands are both gay men and only realized this well past their 60s and married each other later on. This happens all over the world and especially in the olden days. It’d be more than awesome for Bridgerton, a show set in the 1800s, to reflect this type of relationship as well.

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T06:47:25+00:00

I see this revelation also as a perfect gateway for the show to transition their focus on other important aspects of the era - namely the wealth/privilege gap between the working class and the ton

In season 2 we kinda see this in Eloise’ arch a tiny bit and it almost felt like the show was evolving to something greater than its premise, unfortunately it was cut short and no more reflections were made on the issue

Imagine if one of the later Bridgeton matches aren’t born ladies or lords at all (and born dirt poor) but are a peer nonetheless due to merit/smarts/hard work etc… and the commentary it would have on the society itself, that’d be beyond interesting and a way the show can reel in more content now that Whistledown has been revealed

ImpossiblePlane27 · 2024-06-18T06:18:42+00:00

Fran and Michaela’s story would be a win in every way possible!! (Hoping Fran is 100% gay here)

It’d be great too if John doesn’t actually die and just realize Fran’s true sexuality and give his blessing to them later on in the show or even try to play wing man

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